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Post by ericn on Aug 10, 2023 9:48:42 GMT -6
That helps a bit, thank you cj I'm going to pause on adding any CTG stock to my portfolio . . . for now. They may have paid cash, but AVID customers will pay for everything else they could be doing with that cash. I’ll bet nobody at the new owners could tell or explain the difference between a C24 and Venue. |
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Post by Ward on Aug 10, 2023 10:06:10 GMT -6
That helps a bit, thank you cj I'm going to pause on adding any CTG stock to my portfolio . . . for now. They may have paid cash, but AVID customers will pay for everything else they could be doing with that cash. I’ll bet nobody at the new owners could tell or explain the difference between a C24 and Venue. Why, they're out of Control (24)! |
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Post by ericn on Aug 10, 2023 10:07:11 GMT -6
They may have paid cash, but AVID customers will pay for everything else they could be doing with that cash. I’ll bet nobody at the new owners could tell or explain the difference between a C24 and Venue. Why, they're out of Control (24)! Honestly Could not remember the current model🥸 |
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Post by Ward on Aug 10, 2023 10:08:36 GMT -6
Why, they're out of Control (24)! Honestly Could not remember the current model🥸 Dunno either . . .but I think it's still S6 S3 S1 or some other. I'm still using a C24 after 15 years. |
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Post by christopher on Aug 10, 2023 10:09:21 GMT -6
Wow $1.4 billion! So Avid must be a very big company (the biggest?) compared to virtually all the players in pro audio! Yamaha bought Steinberg for $28.5M - small change it seems! So, it's a very big wow from me .... Pro Tools must have like near on 100% of the professional audio software and hardware market. $1.4 billion is a big number for any company - let alone in the audio world. A lot of big venues have the Avid boards, the big touring artists are using the avid monitor boards for in ears. And then syncing the big video screens and lights. (So that’s quite some revenue when you consider some of these shows can return $5 mil per gig, they can afford to go big). And any site where there are more than a few 4k screens, they need a way to integrate all that into an easy to control system. There’s a ton of AV companies out there, but Avid and Protools is the easiest to trust and troubleshoot for many folks. I think of Disneyland, the whole park is thousands of channels of AV pumping all over. I don’t know if they use PT- I figure they would since so much Film/Post work. Same with the entire city of Las Vegas |
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Post by guitfiddler on Aug 10, 2023 10:09:38 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Aug 10, 2023 10:12:52 GMT -6
Wow $1.4 billion! So Avid must be a very big company (the biggest?) compared to virtually all the players in pro audio! Yamaha bought Steinberg for $28.5M - small change it seems! So, it's a very big wow from me .... Pro Tools must have like near on 100% of the professional audio software and hardware market. $1.4 billion is a big number for any company - let alone in the audio world. A lot of big venues have the Avid boards, the big touring artists are using the avid monitor boards for in ears. And then syncing the big video screens and lights. And any site there are more than a few 4k screens, they need a way to integrate all that into an easy to control system. There’s a ton of AV companies out there, but Avid and Protools is the easiest to trust and troubleshoot for many folks. I think of Disneyland, the whole park is thousands of channels of AV pumping all over. I don’t know if they use PT- I figure they would since so much Film/Post work. Same with the entire city of Las Vegas Touring sales mean church and theater sales. Plus it’s really nice to walk into a gig with all your studio effects and your entire show template and automation on a Jump drive instead of a rack. |
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Post by drbill on Aug 10, 2023 10:19:47 GMT -6
I'm optimistic.
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Post by ericn on Aug 10, 2023 10:21:39 GMT -6
What are you on pain killers for that foot🥸 |
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Post by drbill on Aug 10, 2023 13:52:32 GMT -6
What are you on pain killers for that foot🥸 100% pain killer free. I'm iron manning it. |
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 11, 2023 3:40:30 GMT -6
Elon is going to buy Avid, and then delay compensation in PT is going to quit working. If Elon bought it, he’d rename it and then we’d have fun guessing the new name? Avid > Livid Your turn  |
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Post by Ward on Aug 11, 2023 12:59:43 GMT -6
Elon is going to buy Avid, and then delay compensation in PT is going to quit working. If Elon bought it, he’d rename it and then we’d have fun guessing the new name? Avid > Livid Your turn AVID> ACID |
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Post by Ward on Aug 11, 2023 13:00:20 GMT -6
What are you on pain killers for that foot🥸 100% pain killer free. I'm iron manning it. I'll bet if I popped 'round with a bottle of Basil Hayden you wouldn't continue to Iron Man it! |
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Post by drbill on Aug 11, 2023 13:05:52 GMT -6
100% pain killer free. I'm iron manning it. I'll bet if I popped 'round with a bottle of Basil Hayden you wouldn't continue to Iron Man it! Nope. Luckily I don't even know what that is, so I'll still go full iron man. I am taking some CBD to aid circulation in the lowers and reduce inflammation, but I can't even feel anything. I almost feel gypped. Serendipitously, it seems to have mellowed my low level Tinnitus - so win/win. |
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Post by bgrotto on Aug 11, 2023 19:10:32 GMT -6
If Elon bought it, he’d rename it and then we’d have fun guessing the new name? Avid > Livid Your turn AVID> ACID Perfect! He has a knack for choosing trademarked names held by his competitors 😂 |
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 12, 2023 7:04:34 GMT -6
If Elon bought it, he’d rename it and then we’d have fun guessing the new name? Avid > Livid Your turn AVID> ACID I guess we missed the obvious one .... XVID No wait, that would mean users would have to be over 18  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 12, 2023 10:41:44 GMT -6
I don’t really care what I work in, honestly. I’m fastest in PT, but if Luna was more mature, I would be fine using that. Or Cubase (although it crashed on me with auto saving and I lost about 5 hours of work)…Logic is the clunkiest to me, but I’m sure I could figure it out. They all have advantages and disadvantages. Once Luna grows up, gets HW DC, file management and a few other things, I might just move over…feel like it’s taken the best of PT and added a few other things.
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Post by Ward on Aug 12, 2023 11:09:33 GMT -6
I don’t really care what I work in, honestly. I’m fastest in PT, but if Luna was more mature, I would be fine using that. Or Cubase (although it crashed on me with auto saving and I lost about 5 hours of work)…Logic is the clunkiest to me, but I’m sure I could figure it out. They all have advantages and disadvantages. Once Luna grows up, gets HW DC, file management and a few other things, I might just move over…feel like it’s taken the best of PT and added a few other things. If It weren't a locked system, I'd probably have tried Luna by now. But I have no desire to move to UAD hardware. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2023 11:41:05 GMT -6
I don’t really care what I work in, honestly. I’m fastest in PT, but if Luna was more mature, I would be fine using that. Or Cubase (although it crashed on me with auto saving and I lost about 5 hours of work)…Logic is the clunkiest to me, but I’m sure I could figure it out. They all have advantages and disadvantages. Once Luna grows up, gets HW DC, file management and a few other things, I might just move over…feel like it’s taken the best of PT and added a few other things. Luna could easily replace pro tools if UAD let it run on better interaces or make a box to really offload the basic DAW and some good zero or very low latency workhorse fx instead of more emulation plugs. The problem is UAD was focused on prosumer and project studio market so compromised on sound quality, low latency drivers (monitoring outside Console gives USB like round trip latency on a thunderbolt interface), workhorse plugin inserts, and this is a huge run for thunderbolt only interfaces, CABLE RUNs. Thunderbolt cable runs suck. UAD 1 and 2 also never got a really good, basic dynamics plugin. It's all ersatz. Audiotonix could also do it. Digico sucks but SSL has kept the old C200 algorithms alive for decades, now has controllers that are better built than their analog hardware, bought Sydec a while ago to get mature converter tech but killed the Soundscape DAW, funded the development of Ardour about 20 years ago, and now owns Harrison. If they could iron out mixbus, make it low CPU like the SSL plugins (you used to have to be a good programmer and software designer to make usable audio code decades ago. Those old Waves Renaissance and Oxford plugs are no effin joke. The old reverb boxes pretty much had almost nothing but got great results) and have under 2ms latency at 88.2 and up samples rates, they could crush it. The latency of SSL converters' third party USB drivers hurts them but why not just go Dante.
Reaper on a low latency thunderbolt or dante rig is a thing of beauty if you have some self control. USB always has a few ms of latency of 44.1 khz even on RME but at higher sample rates or faster protocols, Reaper is just next level if you can get around it and accept that it feels like a computer program with a pretty good mixer attached.
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Post by drbill on Aug 12, 2023 12:00:02 GMT -6
I don’t really care what I work in, honestly. I’m fastest in PT, but if Luna was more mature, I would be fine using that. Or Cubase (although it crashed on me with auto saving and I lost about 5 hours of work)…Logic is the clunkiest to me, but I’m sure I could figure it out. They all have advantages and disadvantages. Once Luna grows up, gets HW DC, file management and a few other things, I might just move over…feel like it’s taken the best of PT and added a few other things. Luna could easily replace pro tools if UAD let it run on better interaces or make a box to really offload the basic DAW and some good zero or very low latency workhorse fx instead of more emulation plugs. The problem is UAD was focused on prosumer and project studio market so compromised on sound quality, low latency drivers (monitoring outside Console gives USB like round trip latency on a thunderbolt interface), workhorse plugin inserts, and this is a huge run for thunderbolt only interfaces, CABLE RUNs. Thunderbolt cable runs suck. UAD 1 and 2 also never got a really good, basic dynamics plugin. It's all ersatz. Audiotonix could also do it. Digico sucks but SSL has kept the old C200 algorithms alive for decades, now has controllers that are better built than their analog hardware, bought Sydec a while ago to get mature converter tech but killed the Soundscape DAW, funded the development of Ardour about 20 years ago, and now owns Harrison. If they could iron out mixbus, make it low CPU like the SSL plugins (you used to have to be a good programmer and software designer to make usable audio code decades ago. Those old Waves Renaissance and Oxford plugs are no effin joke. The old reverb boxes pretty much had almost nothing but got great results) and have under 2ms latency at 88.2 and up samples rates, they could crush it. The latency of SSL converters' third party USB drivers hurts them but why not just go Dante.
Reaper on a low latency thunderbolt or dante rig is a thing of beauty if you have some self control. USB always has a few ms of latency of 44.1 khz even on RME but at higher sample rates or faster protocols, Reaper is just next level if you can get around it and accept that it feels like a computer program with a pretty good mixer attached.
Until they are really immersed and UNDERSTAND the post market and it's demands, UA won't be able to make the smallest dent into the PT market - other than on the musician end of things. There is a whole world of audio outside metal bands, singer songwriters, and EDM. |
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Post by Quint on Aug 12, 2023 12:17:24 GMT -6
Luna could easily replace pro tools if UAD let it run on better interaces or make a box to really offload the basic DAW and some good zero or very low latency workhorse fx instead of more emulation plugs. The problem is UAD was focused on prosumer and project studio market so compromised on sound quality, low latency drivers (monitoring outside Console gives USB like round trip latency on a thunderbolt interface), workhorse plugin inserts, and this is a huge run for thunderbolt only interfaces, CABLE RUNs. Thunderbolt cable runs suck. UAD 1 and 2 also never got a really good, basic dynamics plugin. It's all ersatz. Audiotonix could also do it. Digico sucks but SSL has kept the old C200 algorithms alive for decades, now has controllers that are better built than their analog hardware, bought Sydec a while ago to get mature converter tech but killed the Soundscape DAW, funded the development of Ardour about 20 years ago, and now owns Harrison. If they could iron out mixbus, make it low CPU like the SSL plugins (you used to have to be a good programmer and software designer to make usable audio code decades ago. Those old Waves Renaissance and Oxford plugs are no effin joke. The old reverb boxes pretty much had almost nothing but got great results) and have under 2ms latency at 88.2 and up samples rates, they could crush it. The latency of SSL converters' third party USB drivers hurts them but why not just go Dante.
Reaper on a low latency thunderbolt or dante rig is a thing of beauty if you have some self control. USB always has a few ms of latency of 44.1 khz even on RME but at higher sample rates or faster protocols, Reaper is just next level if you can get around it and accept that it feels like a computer program with a pretty good mixer attached.
Until they are really immersed and UNDERSTAND the post market and it's demands, UA won't be able to make the smallest dent into the PT market - other than on the musician end of things. There is a whole world of audio outside metal bands, singer songwriters, and EDM. UA isn't interested in the post market. gearspace.com/board/showpost.php?p=16640140&postcount=33 |
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Post by Quint on Aug 12, 2023 12:22:14 GMT -6
I don’t really care what I work in, honestly. I’m fastest in PT, but if Luna was more mature, I would be fine using that. Or Cubase (although it crashed on me with auto saving and I lost about 5 hours of work)…Logic is the clunkiest to me, but I’m sure I could figure it out. They all have advantages and disadvantages. Once Luna grows up, gets HW DC, file management and a few other things, I might just move over…feel like it’s taken the best of PT and added a few other things. Luna could easily replace pro tools if UAD let it run on better interaces or make a box to really offload the basic DAW and some good zero or very low latency workhorse fx instead of more emulation plugs. The problem is UAD was focused on prosumer and project studio market so compromised on sound quality, low latency drivers (monitoring outside Console gives USB like round trip latency on a thunderbolt interface), workhorse plugin inserts, and this is a huge run for thunderbolt only interfaces, CABLE RUNs. Thunderbolt cable runs suck. UAD 1 and 2 also never got a really good, basic dynamics plugin. It's all ersatz. Audiotonix could also do it. Digico sucks but SSL has kept the old C200 algorithms alive for decades, now has controllers that are better built than their analog hardware, bought Sydec a while ago to get mature converter tech but killed the Soundscape DAW, funded the development of Ardour about 20 years ago, and now owns Harrison. If they could iron out mixbus, make it low CPU like the SSL plugins (you used to have to be a good programmer and software designer to make usable audio code decades ago. Those old Waves Renaissance and Oxford plugs are no effin joke. The old reverb boxes pretty much had almost nothing but got great results) and have under 2ms latency at 88.2 and up samples rates, they could crush it. The latency of SSL converters' third party USB drivers hurts them but why not just go Dante.
Reaper on a low latency thunderbolt or dante rig is a thing of beauty if you have some self control. USB always has a few ms of latency of 44.1 khz even on RME but at higher sample rates or faster protocols, Reaper is just next level if you can get around it and accept that it feels like a computer program with a pretty good mixer attached.
FYI, you can run Luna natively without an Apollo connected now. Though talking about doing native monitoring with an Apollo defeats the purpose of having an Apollo in the first place. It's all about the low latency DSP monitoring with the Apollo. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2023 12:36:57 GMT -6
Luna could easily replace pro tools if UAD let it run on better interaces or make a box to really offload the basic DAW and some good zero or very low latency workhorse fx instead of more emulation plugs. The problem is UAD was focused on prosumer and project studio market so compromised on sound quality, low latency drivers (monitoring outside Console gives USB like round trip latency on a thunderbolt interface), workhorse plugin inserts, and this is a huge run for thunderbolt only interfaces, CABLE RUNs. Thunderbolt cable runs suck. UAD 1 and 2 also never got a really good, basic dynamics plugin. It's all ersatz. Audiotonix could also do it. Digico sucks but SSL has kept the old C200 algorithms alive for decades, now has controllers that are better built than their analog hardware, bought Sydec a while ago to get mature converter tech but killed the Soundscape DAW, funded the development of Ardour about 20 years ago, and now owns Harrison. If they could iron out mixbus, make it low CPU like the SSL plugins (you used to have to be a good programmer and software designer to make usable audio code decades ago. Those old Waves Renaissance and Oxford plugs are no effin joke. The old reverb boxes pretty much had almost nothing but got great results) and have under 2ms latency at 88.2 and up samples rates, they could crush it. The latency of SSL converters' third party USB drivers hurts them but why not just go Dante.
Reaper on a low latency thunderbolt or dante rig is a thing of beauty if you have some self control. USB always has a few ms of latency of 44.1 khz even on RME but at higher sample rates or faster protocols, Reaper is just next level if you can get around it and accept that it feels like a computer program with a pretty good mixer attached.
Until they are really immersed and UNDERSTAND the post market and it's demands, UA won't be able to make the smallest dent into the PT market - other than on the musician end of things. There is a whole world of audio outside metal bands, singer songwriters, and EDM. They don't really get metal or EDM either dude. They're more in the track junk pop and rap with autotune in the monitoring and maybe some DIed guitar parts and a midi keyboard with the most generic onboard VSTis around. Electronic guys are often at the bleeding edge of gear and plugs because they can get money djing. Metal? only for overdubbed leads and most metal guitarists I've talked to despise the higher Softube amp sims that are on UAD and thing that Softube Plexi that is on like half of all records tracked with an Apollo is the most milquetoast offensively boring thing around.
I just meant UAD have developed something that could be made to work with post but they don't seem to want to do it at all and remain in the prosumer side of things. They don't even have digital Gates or Expanders beyond SSL models. An HDX setup is much more capable than UAD because you can basically mix it as you track, digitally, like on a console without major technical issues if you shell out hundreds for certain AAX DSP plugins (eqs with working filters and dynamics without insane artifacts) and are willing to accept an almost stainless steel sound and get around the lack of great FX sends with room mics or hardware unit sends.
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Post by drbill on Aug 12, 2023 13:16:39 GMT -6
Until they are really immersed and UNDERSTAND the post market and it's demands, UA won't be able to make the smallest dent into the PT market - other than on the musician end of things. There is a whole world of audio outside metal bands, singer songwriters, and EDM. UA isn't interested in the post market. gearspace.com/board/showpost.php?p=16640140&postcount=33Exactly. My point. Hence why they will not take over PT territory. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 12, 2023 13:18:02 GMT -6
I don’t really care what I work in, honestly. I’m fastest in PT, but if Luna was more mature, I would be fine using that. Or Cubase (although it crashed on me with auto saving and I lost about 5 hours of work)…Logic is the clunkiest to me, but I’m sure I could figure it out. They all have advantages and disadvantages. Once Luna grows up, gets HW DC, file management and a few other things, I might just move over…feel like it’s taken the best of PT and added a few other things. If It weren't a locked system, I'd probably have tried Luna by now. But I have no desire to move to UAD hardware. It's not locked anymore, right? |
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