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Post by Martin John Butler on May 27, 2023 19:15:55 GMT -6
Lots of contributing factors here. One thing is that over the last ten years, we have all contributed to the fetishizing of vintage analogue gear. Only a vintage 67 or 87 sounds right, nothing sounds quite the same as a Urei, only vintage consoles sound truly great, and on and on. It's no wonder prices have gone up, they're not making them any more.
I'd love to have a Neumann U67 and a rack of vintage pres and compressors, but given a Soyuz 0-17 or a Chandler Redd, with one of the fantastic preamp and compressor reproductions made by many of the newer companies we're all familiar with, and you'll sound great if you are great.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on May 27, 2023 20:55:59 GMT -6
I think with vintage analog gear in particular, you can't discount how many trust fund kids with nice portfolios saw a pretty hefty return on tech stocks and crypto in '20 and '21. And, at least in NYC, I can tell you that at least half of the studios that exist are inherited money going into building the space. Nothing wrong with it but it's the reality of what is now a luxury product. A lot of Hainbachs out there in the world - good intentions and some taste but even more money. They bid up everything classic, the dealers and retailers pushed the new and used market, supply chain for esoteric transformers and tubes got squeezed and now, as with every other company, the big shops are going to lean hard on customers for as long as they can before price reality sets in. You also had very very favorable financing terms to people with suspect credit and that's now reversing. The prices on the weird stuff will be coming down with the market downturn and inflation tamed. Neves, Pultecs, UREI, etc? Probably never. Mark Ronson fits under that description. I wouldn't discount his work.
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Post by paulcheeba on May 28, 2023 9:14:15 GMT -6
Saying all that I just got some real bargains by lowballing high prices with the sellers on eBay or reverb and taking chances. If you don’t care whether you win or not you have nothing to lose and as was mentioned before there is so much good boutique gear at reasonable prices that there’s nothing to stop great classic recordings. The fetishisation of old classic gear is silly and by selling mine I bought a church and built a studio which is much better for recording than some old Neves and Urei’s in a crappy space. Let the rich hipsters pay 70k for a console worth 10 or 12k for a broken Fet compressor. I’m aiming for quality and I’m not concerned with fashion. My Bock 251’s were 2k each. And likewise I sell at reasonable prices to move gear on. I don’t sit on stuff to rinse the most I can. That is for greedy gits.
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 28, 2023 9:29:01 GMT -6
Yep, market has been dead since beginning of covid. Hard to sell anything, easy to make deals of your lifetime. But this is equal to every market during crisis. Some who take the risk might score big time… most goes into save mode I’m guessing you’re not from the US. Here, during Covid, the market went crazy. Prices skyrocketed and stuff was flying all over the place at higher prices once the government started throwing money at everyone. This is the downturn from that.
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Post by niklas1073 on May 28, 2023 10:45:26 GMT -6
Yep, market has been dead since beginning of covid. Hard to sell anything, easy to make deals of your lifetime. But this is equal to every market during crisis. Some who take the risk might score big time… most goes into save mode I’m guessing you’re not from the US. Here, during Covid, the market went crazy. Prices skyrocketed and stuff was flying all over the place at higher prices once the government started throwing money at everyone. This is the downturn from that. Really interesting, no I’m not, northern europe. It seems it took very different ways there and here as i read this thread. Here venues etc was shut down pretty fast, killed the grass root industry completely and with very irrational planning for the outcome of it all it really took a toll on the musicians fast among other of course too. That pretty fast forced people to sell gear. I suppose there was a short time where hobby musicians bought a lot of used gear here as the holiday trips etc was cancelled and people invested in summer cottages, motorcycles, boats and what not, so there was a period of time with excessive money floating around but the gear market was already pretty marginal as it was. And besides some guitars and other instruments the studio gear does not really have a huge market here as it is. So when mixers snd studios forced to rethink when artists couldn’t afford pushing out music quite a bit of gear was at hand at discount. I would even go as far as saying this was just an outcome sealed by an already fast dying and dysfunctional music industry here at our end. Whereas in many places despite of lock downs musicians found ways of producing something, here it was pathetic. Since the industry is in very small hands there was really not much money to be made in alternative production methods for most musicians. This at least how I experienced it. I was just in the zone of upgrading and streamlining my small studio so i was in for new gear and scanned the market here hard in those days.
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Post by sparky on May 28, 2023 17:02:28 GMT -6
Things in Australia are insanely overpriced on the used market which is pretty normal, but it's gone from bad to worse. Folks are asking ridiculous prices. Shipping from O/S is cost-prohibitive compared to pre-COVID as well so I'm getting by with what I have. I'm house hunting at the moment and looking to upgrade my studio setup but will have to be more frugal than I'd hoped. Welcome Sparky to RGO from fellow Brisvegas user. hope you are enjoying yur experience here. I feel your pain regarding house hunting. Its a daunting experiencewith the over inflated prices. which part of Aust are you from? Melbourne. Housing is indeed over-inflated but at least our needs are pretty simple. We're hoping that mortgage bubble hits some investor owners and something pops up in our budget.
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Post by antipodesjosh on Jun 1, 2023 15:21:26 GMT -6
We’ve got runaway inflation in NZ as well. A cucumber is $6. You can imagine what that means for pro audio gear.
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Post by chessparov on Jun 2, 2023 22:31:09 GMT -6
It's a pickle. Chris
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Post by ericn on Jun 3, 2023 9:16:57 GMT -6
Pickles are more labor intensive so probably even more expensive! Being the idiot I am I make my own dog food, I just head to the produce place in the River Market buy a bunch of there clearance dog safe produce throw in some chicken boil drain pick out bones ( for a while I was getting free “waste “ from Andy Reid’s favorite restaurant Pigwich but my friend left their kitchen anyway on Monday clearance cucumbers 3 for a dollar.
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Post by chessparov on Jun 3, 2023 13:03:51 GMT -6
Funny I have the same routine. Maybe I'll even share it with a dog someday. Times can be rough. Chris
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Post by christopher on Jun 3, 2023 14:13:14 GMT -6
I saw an ad for some tech company showing a guy in his garage selling pickles online, and business exploding. The guy all happy lol. Like.. ‘This could be you!!!’
I took a moment to price out a dream vintage chain on Reverb. U47 long body, 1073, 1176 blue stripe, pultec, LA2A.. it’s pushing $70,000-$80,000 per channel!
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Post by plinker on Jun 3, 2023 20:20:52 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Jun 3, 2023 21:00:02 GMT -6
There is a sucker born every minute? The only one more fun is the guy selling an item as “ new” who is not a dealer and the manufacturer has a very strict “ no reseller” policy and no transferable warranty. So it ain’t new!
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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 3, 2023 22:02:48 GMT -6
Maybe something to do with it being in Canada? For a Canadian buyer, there'd be no import duties, etc.
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Post by plinker on Jun 3, 2023 22:43:08 GMT -6
Maybe something to do with it being in Canada? For a Canadian buyer, there'd be no import duties, etc. Mark -- please don't let facts get in the way of a good story
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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 4, 2023 11:10:01 GMT -6
Maybe something to do with it being in Canada? For a Canadian buyer, there'd be no import duties, etc. Mark -- please don't let facts get in the way of a good story hahahahahahahahah - you're so right, Jim - my apologies!
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 4, 2023 22:52:52 GMT -6
Just sold a mic that was basically brand new…no issues…and get the guy telling me the tube is shot. Said he ordered a replacement and wants me to pay for it. It was fine before it left me and I sold it for way cheaper than he could get anywhere else.
My sale was as-is, final. And I’ve got to be honest, I’m having a hard time with it. This is like the third time I’ve sold on reverb where someone has claimed some questionable bs. I have offered to split the difference on the cost of the tube - because it’s only like $25…but it’s getting ridiculous.
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Post by ericn on Jun 5, 2023 5:52:19 GMT -6
Just sold a mic that was basically brand new…no issues…and get the guy telling me the tube is shot. Said he ordered a replacement and wants me to pay for it. It was fine before it left me and I sold it for way cheaper than he could get anywhere else. My sale was as-is, final. And I’ve got to be honest, I’m having a hard time with it. This is like the third time I’ve sold on reverb where someone has claimed some questionable bs. I have offered to split the difference on the cost of the tube - because it’s only like $25…but it’s getting ridiculous. This is a tough one, I know a couple of guys who now have a tech go through anything they are going to sell, but it’s hard to justify on lower priced gear. I would probably do the simple split, but after a while it gets to you. If it’s less than covering shipping back yeah I’d eat the 1/2. The thing is I have heard stories of guys sticking “ bad tubes “ in mics like this to screw you if you do the return. I mean who is going to take the time to take pictures of capsules and tubes on cheap mics just to catch a crook?
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Post by mike on Jun 5, 2023 7:13:08 GMT -6
Just sold a mic that was basically brand new…no issues…and get the guy telling me the tube is shot. Said he ordered a replacement and wants me to pay for it. It was fine before it left me and I sold it for way cheaper than he could get anywhere else. My sale was as-is, final. And I’ve got to be honest, I’m having a hard time with it. This is like the third time I’ve sold on reverb where someone has claimed some questionable bs. I have offered to split the difference on the cost of the tube - because it’s only like $25…but it’s getting ridiculous.
Though I haven't sold on Reverb in awhile, I've had good luck being thorough taking photo's and video of working condition with time stamp the day of shipping also showing thorough packing and then choosing Reverb's safe shipping which I think is supposed to cover any disputes.
In my one experience with a buyer who seemed to be making up the condition of a item he received he wanted to keep but have me pay him back something, I told him I had thorough pics/video of working condition and packaging the day of shipping could he send me his evidence back. And he dropped it without even having to involve Reverb which I think would have covered any safe shipping issues if needed.
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Post by Ward on Jun 5, 2023 7:22:51 GMT -6
Just sold a mic that was basically brand new…no issues…and get the guy telling me the tube is shot. Said he ordered a replacement and wants me to pay for it. It was fine before it left me and I sold it for way cheaper than he could get anywhere else. My sale was as-is, final. And I’ve got to be honest, I’m having a hard time with it. This is like the third time I’ve sold on reverb where someone has claimed some questionable bs. I have offered to split the difference on the cost of the tube - because it’s only like $25…but it’s getting ridiculous. Can't remember the last time I read that a seller had a positive report about Reverb.com
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 5, 2023 7:46:21 GMT -6
I’ve had dozens. But it’s been bad for the last year or two. I’m not sure how I would prove a tube is working to reverb…so I’ll just take the hit and learn my lesson. This is what I get for having enough integrity to not just have returned it to the place I bought it from.
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Post by collywobble on Jun 5, 2023 8:26:28 GMT -6
There is an AKG C24 on eBay at the moment advertised at £30,000.
A C24 weighs 590 grams. Gold is about £50 per gram at the moment.
So this mic is being sold for slightly more than its weight in gold.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 5, 2023 9:51:23 GMT -6
There is an AKG C24 on eBay at the moment advertised at £30,000. A C24 weighs 590 grams. Gold is about £50 per gram at the moment. So this mic is being sold for slightly more than its weight in gold. That actually made me laugh
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 5, 2023 9:52:58 GMT -6
There is an AKG C24 on eBay at the moment advertised at £30,000. A C24 weighs 590 grams. Gold is about £50 per gram at the moment. So this mic is being sold for slightly more than its weight in gold. Btw - nice to have you here.
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Post by antbar on Jun 5, 2023 10:31:02 GMT -6
Lots of contributing factors here. One thing is that over the last ten years, we have all contributed to the fetishizing of vintage analogue gear. Only a vintage 67 or 87 sounds right, nothing sounds quite the same as a Urei, only vintage consoles sound truly great, and on and on. It's no wonder prices have gone up, they're not making them any more. I'd love to have a Neumann U67 and a rack of vintage pres and compressors, but given a Soyuz 0-17 or a Chandler Redd, with one of the fantastic preamp and compressor reproductions made by many of the newer companies we're all familiar with, and you'll sound great if you are great. My next record features a song with lead vocals tracked by me at home through a Roswell k67 into a CL7602. I kinda knew that vocal was the keeper, but when I did some work soon after at a nearby studio, it seemed obvious I should try the vocal again through the vintage Neumann 67 on hand, as that was one of the reasons I wanted to work there. The newer vocals sounded good, but sonically not "better" than the Roswell and the performance had a touch of "But... you already nailed this!" to it. I've sung through a number of 67s in amazing studios and I know this mic flatters my nasal voice, but yeah, the Roswell held its own. Much of my gear at home isn't impressive on paper, and I work elsewhere when I need, but there is more and more "good," "really good " and "actually great" gear available by the day that's affordable by mere mortal standards!
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