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Post by stam on May 18, 2023 6:52:51 GMT -6
I finally got around to editing this comparison with a vintage U67. We had nine pristine vintage U67's at hand, auditioned them all and chose the one we liked the best. After that I spent around a year to match it as close as I could.
There is no processing done here other than a miniscule amount of reverb so it's not that uncomfortable for you to listen.
I know some hear have much better ears than me and might disagree but I am satisfied with the result and have resume manufacturing of it.
We got some B stocks available, feel free to email me at stamaudio@gmail.com to get one at a low price.
Cheers
Josh
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Post by timcampbell on May 18, 2023 8:23:34 GMT -6
Sounds terrific.
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Post by seawell on May 18, 2023 9:13:03 GMT -6
I hear everything there that I love about a great 67. Congratulations Josh!
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Post by drumsound on May 18, 2023 13:30:41 GMT -6
I like A a little better. When is the reveal of which is which?
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Post by ab101 on May 18, 2023 13:41:17 GMT -6
They both sound great!
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Post by copperx on May 19, 2023 10:18:43 GMT -6
If Stam is B, I'm buying ASAP.
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Post by stam on May 19, 2023 13:16:39 GMT -6
If Stam is B, I'm buying ASAP. Out of curiosity, what do you like better about B? |
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Post by mics on May 19, 2023 17:57:52 GMT -6
If Stam is B, I'm buying ASAP. I like B too. To me B has a little more body and the filter circuit seems to be doing more of its thing. If B is your’s Josh; nice job!! Note to Josh and Mods; if it seems inappropriate for me to comment on this, feel free to remove this post. |
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Post by reddirt on May 19, 2023 18:52:08 GMT -6
interesting how Ben with all his intimate knowledge of 67s, cant tell them apart.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by mics on May 19, 2023 18:54:46 GMT -6
interesting how Ben with all his intimate knowledge of 67s, cant tell them apart. Cheers, Ross Who said “Ben can’t tell them apart”? |
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Post by wiz on May 19, 2023 18:57:59 GMT -6
To me, there’s quite a difference between the two
It’s funny how we all perceive things
But it could be having the capsules side by side that causes significant difference.
I’m sure both mics are great especially when you consider the price difference
Basing my choice solely on that test I guess I like B
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by mics on May 19, 2023 19:02:04 GMT -6
If mic a is the Neumann, the tertiary feed capacitor has been reduced to allow for more top end. This also affects the mids. If I was to offer an opinion, I’d say mic A isn’t a standard U67
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Post by copperx on May 19, 2023 21:47:33 GMT -6
If Stam is B, I'm buying ASAP. Out of curiosity, what do you like better about B? I love the frequency response of both, but A captures some transients that feel like my ears are getting stabbed (I'm greatly exaggerating, it's a subtle crispness), whereas B doesn't, and feels like the time response is smoother. For lack of a better metaphor, A sounds like a soap opera, like I'm there, whereas B sounds like a film. It could be that A is just capturing more of the room. However, B has a higher distortion in the low mids (that's what it sounds like). This distortion could be overpowering on a delicate voice. It also sounds like B's capsule is being flattened at around 1:10-1:13 on "float around everywhere", perhaps due to proximity? In summary, I think A is "harder" than B. I would love to know which mic is which. |
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Post by reddirt on May 19, 2023 22:39:02 GMT -6
interesting how Ben with all his intimate knowledge of 67s, cant tell them apart. Cheers, Ross Who said “Ben can’t tell them apart”? I'm possibly misinterpreting here , sorry if that's the case. Not meant to be in any way a derogatory comment Ben , was really a way of commenting on how close the mics are. Cheers, Ross |
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Post by mics on May 19, 2023 23:00:13 GMT -6
Who said “Ben can’t tell them apart”? I'm possibly misinterpreting here , sorry if that's the case. Not meant to be in any way a derogatory comment Ben , was really a way of commenting on how close the mics are. Cheers, Ross No stress Ross My comment to you was also tongue in cheek!! Lol |
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Post by stam on May 20, 2023 3:38:12 GMT -6
If mic a is the Neumann, the tertiary feed capacitor has been reduced to allow for more top end. This also affects the mids. If I was to offer an opinion, I’d say mic A isn’t a standard U67 All I can say is the U67 its in pristine condition and been preserved very well. All 67's here have a very nice top end, as a 67 should. It's not very nice of you to say well done if your mic is B but if it is then A has been tampered with or doesn't sound like a standard 67. Your taking credit away whichever way you phrase it. I have not had the pleasure to try yours but I am sure it's great. |
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Post by mics on May 20, 2023 4:15:33 GMT -6
If mic a is the Neumann, the tertiary feed capacitor has been reduced to allow for more top end. This also affects the mids. If I was to offer an opinion, I’d say mic A isn’t a standard U67 All I can say is the U67 its in pristine condition and been preserved very well. All 67's here have a very nice top end, as a 67 should. It's not very nice of you to say well done if your mic is B but if it is then A has been tampered with or doesn't sound like a standard 67. Your taking credit away whichever way you phrase it. I have not had the pleasure to try yours but I am sure it's great. Hi Josh. Please don’t take offence to my words. Both mics are great! If A is your mic, it is very close to B. Maybe just needs a slightly larger feed through cap to feed the tertiary. It’s also a taste thing as the re-issue also sounds brighter than the vintage models. You are doing a great job mate and I don’t want to take away from that at all! If you want to remove any of my posts then that is fine. I was just asked if and why I knew which mic was which. My comments were merely a reflection of that. Keep up your good work. |
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Post by Vincent R. on May 20, 2023 6:06:24 GMT -6
I preferred A, but both sound very good. Curious which is which.
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Post by niklas1073 on May 20, 2023 9:01:33 GMT -6
Sounds good. But surprisingly different in character. Though of course in the broader aspect close to each other, but in the context of a/b of a clone and the original, a quite different flavor. I cannot say if two vintage u67s would result in a as big of a difference or not, I believe they well could. And obviously both sounds great.
I kind of liked the mid push in B. It gave a presence the A didn’t have. A felt smoother and more balanced across. But the punch of the B somewhat made it for me.
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Post by drbill on May 20, 2023 9:22:22 GMT -6
B sounds closer to what I expect a un-modded 67 to sound like. But even it is somewhat brighter than what I'd expect. It's subtle, but obvious to me upon listening. So many 67's that are otherwise well maintained have been "tweaked" and opened up over the years, so many engineers/producers/vocalists don't even really have a good touchstone to what the native unvoiced 67 sounds like. For vocals, it would be rare that I wouldn't break out an EQ to liven up the top end of a 67. I've had the good fortune of using most (all?) the 67's that are well maintained at Capitol. I'd tonally categorize them as closer to an open sounding ribbon than to a say....U47. My $0.02.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 20, 2023 9:23:54 GMT -6
Thx Josh, one thought, would have been interested to also hear your mki in this, to have some sense of how mki and mkii differ .
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Post by tackhouse on May 20, 2023 9:34:04 GMT -6
(This thread rules, great example of this forum’s value. Great seeing Ben and Josh interact here, too. Passion and mutual respect. We are all in this together.)
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Post by kcatthedog on May 20, 2023 9:38:03 GMT -6
It seems like they have slightly different freq focusses or emphasis: A sounds a little more open, more air, B, like the focus had a slightly more mid range push: I hear this most at the first transition A to B ? I also thought B sounded a little cleaner, purer ? I have never used a real 67, but my main mike is the sa67 mki: kinda think B is the stam due tk that mid range presence or maybe its A and the sa67 mkii is a little more open than the mki. Curious !  |
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Post by stam on May 20, 2023 9:43:48 GMT -6
My ears must be getting old. I could honestly not hear a difference at the studio when matching it. The frequency responses are also identical (within 0.1dB). Perhaps I wasn’t well centered on this take between both capsules.
The good news is that it’s very easy to tweak this mic on the low end, mids, top end and even the low mids with different tubes to each customers need.
You guys certainly have better ears than me =)
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Post by kcatthedog on May 20, 2023 9:58:02 GMT -6
Be fair, you were in the moment of the performance and heard the original, also affected by your head !
We are just listening after the fact to the A B switch, shows how actual sonic differences can be different than specs on paper !
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