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Post by drumsound on May 20, 2023 16:56:37 GMT -6
He's just straight up not gonna reveal, huh?
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 20, 2023 18:17:49 GMT -6
The thing about a U67 for me is that it has the biggest ears without sounding like it's slipping into an omni setting. I once compared some beautifully maintained vintage mics in a world class studio. There was a U47, U67, C-12, M49 and a couple of new mics. the 47 seemed the most perfectly balanced, but didn't have the magic the 67 did. The 67 just sounds bigger, even the reverb tail seemed longer with the same settings.
Even among all those great mics, the 67 was shockingly better with my voice. I have the SA-67 MkII, and it's a true high end mic. I may mess around with tubes one of these days, just to see.
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Post by stam on May 20, 2023 22:29:54 GMT -6
I just want to say thanks to everyone for your feedback
I will tweak things further if needed to further match things
Your ears are priceless to us !!
Cheers
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Post by chessparov on May 21, 2023 2:32:06 GMT -6
B sounds OG to me. A "Modern-ish" but not harsh. My personal taste is biased towards B. But then I love Vintage style Ribbons too!  Chris |
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Post by stam on May 21, 2023 14:10:50 GMT -6
This a little embarrassing but I just realized levels are not matched. There is a 0.6dB difference between both, my apologies for this.
Will reupload the video next week with this corrected.
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Post by copperx on May 21, 2023 14:25:48 GMT -6
This a little embarrassing but I just realized levels are not matched. There is a 0.6dB difference between both, my apologies for this. Will reupload the video next week with this corrected. It would be really cool to get the audio files by themselves so that we can ABX them blindly on our own. |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 21, 2023 14:33:47 GMT -6
This a little embarrassing but I just realized levels are not matched. There is a 0.6dB difference between both, my apologies for this. Will reupload the video next week with this corrected. Not certain, I’m in the golden ears club, but even .6, would really affect how we would experience the differences between the mikes, unless they were literally identical. I’ll be interested to hear that first transition A to B, as to me it was a really pronounced shift from a slightly airier, more open sound to a more mid range presence. |
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Post by chessparov on May 21, 2023 15:47:56 GMT -6
Maybe placing Mic A a tad closer too.
Sweet spot might be slightly different.
Chris
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Post by gmichael on May 21, 2023 16:18:53 GMT -6
You guys certainly have better ears than me =) In fairness to yourself, so much of these type of comparisons are heavily influenced by perspective and how playback of examples are consumed more-so than how they are delivered. The 0.6db difference can be remarkably effectual on some systems and less so on others.
Your perception in studio is perhaps the most accurate or the most skewed but I seriously doubt your hearing is of any genuine issue or a concern you have any reason to question or doubt. Your perspective and the perspective of guys like Ben is partially why people buy from you, consciously or unconsciously taken this into account.
Personally I have as much appreciation for a builders interpretation when replicating as I do for how precise a replica is to it's [master] microphone.
The benefit of hearing both master and it's replica is in fact a very valuable insight to how a builder interprets what they themself hear, on the day they make their decisions to base a design on and commit to it.
It's not really moving the goal posts so much as it is an entirely different pitch to play on. I might choose either A or B depending on which source I would contemplate assigning either or to. To me it's less about picking either or, just what a source compels or guides me towards. The critique of how precisely a microphone is replicating it's master is really more of a centrists conversation topic over a coffee or a fine single malt with like minded people all with varying perspectives about their own perceptions. It's not really a horseshoes and hand grenades type scenario, I think all are winners, particularly the engineer purchasing. Just my 2 cents worth.
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Post by chessparov on May 21, 2023 16:28:53 GMT -6
Geez I thought my Warm 47jr sounded VERY good for a couple months. Yikes!
Paul G once "saved" me from getting a Aston Origin-thanks there too.
So I realize I'm still no all knowing Expert. IMHO home/project recording musicians usually need to "live with" a mic for a while.
Great post Gene.
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Post by Ward on May 21, 2023 17:23:17 GMT -6
Both microphones are lovely and very kind to a male voice, especially a tenor. I prefer A because I like how it interacts with your voice better than B. I find B a little more strident and 87-ish in the 1-2 kHz range but that may not be the microphone alone! You could do this comparison with any two or three singers and some of us might perceive things entirely differently as there is a magic that occurs between the human instrument and the microphone's diaphragm Our colleague, jeremygillespie succinctly put it to me recently that on a rare occasion a cheap omni condenser won out over a pristine C24 once in his work. It happens. So we cannot let one comparison be the be-all and end-all of our examination. My heart is warmed to read mics offer some of his insight of many years into how a Neumann U67 can be changed in tone to one degree or another. Great reply! And glad to see the kindness in it and the respect given. Every reply here, stam, is a testament to the respect you have earned in our field. |
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Post by mike on May 21, 2023 18:23:52 GMT -6
Both microphones are lovely and very kind to a male voice
I agree and think they both sound very good, well done Josh!
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Post by copperx on May 21, 2023 18:52:58 GMT -6
Geez I thought my Warm 47jr sounded VERY good for a couple months. Yikes! Paul G once "saved" me from getting a Aston Origin-thanks there too. So I realize I'm still no all knowing Expert. IMHO home/project recording musicians usually need to "live with" a mic for a while. Great post Gene. What do you mean by both sentences? How do you feel about the 47jr after living with it? |
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Post by chessparov on May 21, 2023 19:42:11 GMT -6
IMHO it's a classic "Hit/Miss" vocal mic.
For the 90%+ of the usual High Lyric/Tenor-ish Baritone register... Not a good fit. For occasional use only.
Chris
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on May 22, 2023 5:10:11 GMT -6
Great performance Josh. I would be equality happy with either of these microphones.
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