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Post by reddirt on Apr 20, 2023 22:07:29 GMT -6
Thanks for this John , IMO your voice is too sweet ( in a good way) to show up major flaws; it would sound good on a 57.
That said , the feeling i got from the Soyuz made it just that bit better. Do you still have your 251 ? - somehow I imagine that would be the best fit.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by chessparov on Apr 20, 2023 22:36:37 GMT -6
Read my mind!  Chris |
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Post by seawell on Apr 20, 2023 23:42:11 GMT -6
Thanks John for taking he time to do this. The most interesting part to me is that the 2 mics seemed to bring out a good bit of a different performance from you. Sounded like the Soyuz allowed you a little more subtlety & nuance in my opinion. I did like the Warm tone though, their mics continue to surprise me!
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 21, 2023 1:56:00 GMT -6
Well as ever John, you could be recorded with a paper cup and a piece of string and it would still sound great! But these are excellent comparison files, thank you for posting it. You know, I actually prefer the Warm 67 on these two files, it has to my ears quite an authentic touch of mid push and warmth (a little bot of darkness) that really reminds me of a good vintage 67. I can imagine it would sit great in a mix, and just a touch of EQ would lift it out perfectly and the mix engineer would have complete control over how far to bring it forward as opposed to fighting an overly bright capsule as some cheap clones can have. The Soyez is also great, but on your voice on this tune, I really dig the Warm 67. Warm Audio .... darn it - they're really getting there! |
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Post by chessparov on Apr 21, 2023 8:42:07 GMT -6
Looks like... Keep both! That WA-67 is certainly better overall to my 47jr. And I'm still keeping it. (Good for "Chipmunk" voices etc.) Chris |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 21, 2023 11:22:19 GMT -6
Thanks John for taking he time to do this. The most interesting part to me is that the 2 mics seemed to bring out a good bit of a different performance from you. Sounded like the Soyuz allowed you a little more subtlety & nuance in my opinion. I did like the Warm tone though, their mics continue to surprise me! Maybe…but it’s more likely I was just getting kind of warmed up through the tales. I didn’t warm up or anything. I think that Soyuz raw one was the first I sang…so, the performance might not be as good. |
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Post by chessparov on Apr 21, 2023 12:21:33 GMT -6
Soyuz is mellower...
Chris
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Post by Ward on Apr 21, 2023 12:35:53 GMT -6
I am 99% certain we all knew that, but still that low-mid mud really kills the Soyuz for me (in the unattractive way). We all bow to you BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA Me love you longtime. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 21, 2023 12:39:27 GMT -6
Soyuz is mellower... Chrus I guess it depends on how you define mellow…I hear the Soyuz as more top end and the Warm as more rolled off - but that’s probably from having more bottom info. |
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Post by nick8801 on Apr 21, 2023 12:41:57 GMT -6
Soyuz for me. Just sounds more natural. I can hear a microphone on the Warm take. It's definitely not as even sounding. I actually dig the low end on the Soyuz. Adds some nice punch to the vocals. The Warm ain't bad, but even before the reveal, A sounded way more refined to my ears. I'd pick that all day.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 21, 2023 12:59:21 GMT -6
It's like I REALLY wanted the cheaper R92 Ribbon, to sound comparable to the 44 on me... At the AEA Booth.  Chris |
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 21, 2023 13:26:01 GMT -6
It's like I REALLY wanted the cheaper R92 Ribbon, to sound comparable to the 44 on me... At the AEA Booth. Chris I really like the R92 it has a bright and dark side. I keep meaning to try it on my vocals I’m set with my Wunder CM7 on vocals and the R92 on the guitar cabs. I need to swop mics a bit more …. I need to make more time to experiment! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 21, 2023 15:04:42 GMT -6
I agree - the Soyuz is ready quicker. But there’s also a really, really nice round tone it gets on those first lines. What are they? $4500 and $900?
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Post by ab101 on Apr 21, 2023 15:14:26 GMT -6
I agree - the Soyuz is ready quicker. But there’s also a really, really nice round tone it gets on those first lines. What are they? $4500 and $900? I really did not want to like the Warm Audio mic. But I did. And at $900 perhaps even less, it is a little scary. So, a tiny more fiddling and maybe a nice tube pre and slight compression as a smootherizer/tone enhancer and Voila! (TDR Molot might be just the thing too!.) |
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Post by chessparov on Apr 21, 2023 15:29:09 GMT -6
A lot of all this IS your voice. Very melodic/Lyric. If it were Steve Tyler (in his Prime) or Bon Scott (Let alone Howlin' Wolf) Way different. Chris |
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Post by earlevel on Apr 21, 2023 17:15:59 GMT -6
Chris and Mark beat me to it, but the 017 (FET, here) really needs some space. Say, 7"—you're really flirting with the edge of the abyss at around 6". This from a guy who would rarely be more than 4" off my AKG C414B-ULS, and maybe 2", but 6" would be the outside—now the very minimum with the 017.
(BTW, I also guessed correctly on first listen, partly because I recognized the Soyuz but also Checked out comparisons on the WA-67 and knew what to expect—seems like a good mic at that price point.)
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Post by chessparov on Apr 21, 2023 17:23:58 GMT -6
FWIW they used to have The Temptations, in the Snake Pit... Sometimes 2 to 4 feet away from the Neumann. (Then David Ruffin might sing AND dance!!) LOL! Chris |
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Post by paulcheeba on Apr 24, 2023 22:23:15 GMT -6
Your voice is so good they both sound great but the Soyuz has a classier edge.
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Post by bgrotto on Apr 24, 2023 22:35:10 GMT -6
A lot of all this IS your voice. Very melodic/Lyric. If it were Steve Tyler (in his Prime) or Bon Scott (Let alone Howlin' Wolf) Way different. Chris You’d be surprised what sounds good on Steven! Hint: it’s literally anything. He’s a phenomenal singer. But we usually used a Brauner tube mic back when I was cutting vox with him, which didn’t hurt! I only recently got myself a 017, so I’m still learning it, but I reckon it would suit him nicely. It handles belting rather elegantly and seems to stay pretty even in tone across a really wide dynamic range. But it does have a rather pronounced proximity effect. Buildup around 200 or 250 is not uncommon, but it’s easily addressed with mic technique or a band of multiband compression. And in a lot of cases it can be something to really take advantage of instead of trying to mitigate. thanks for coming to my Ted talk. |
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Post by chessparov on Apr 24, 2023 22:51:45 GMT -6
I think Steven accidentally called me one time! (I was in a classroom with a bunch of kids-so couldn't pick it up)
Just one or two Degrees of Separation from a couple of people that have my number, and know him too.
I left a nice voicemail and follow up text. Chris
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Post by tkaitkai on Apr 25, 2023 12:03:30 GMT -6
Finally got around to listening to this. Out of the processed takes, I have a clear preference for the Soyuz. But without the processing, it's a lot closer. I still think the Soyuz has a slight edge, but the Warm has a Neumann-esque quality in the mids that I really like. Johnkenn How'd you EQ these? I really like what you did. Kind of sounds like what happens when I do a low shelf cut on my Wunder before hitting the compressor. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 25, 2023 12:04:18 GMT -6
A lot of all this IS your voice. Very melodic/Lyric. If it were Steve Tyler (in his Prime) or Bon Scott (Let alone Howlin' Wolf) Way different. Chris [...] I only recently got myself a 017, so I’m still learning it, but I reckon it would suit him nicely. It handles belting rather elegantly and seems to stay pretty even in tone across a really wide dynamic range. But it does have a rather pronounced proximity effect. Buildup around 200 or 250 is not uncommon, but it’s easily addressed with mic technique or a band of multiband compression. And in a lot of cases it can be something to really take advantage of instead of trying to mitigate. thanks for coming to my Ted talk. I have the 017 FET version--and haven't used the tube version--but that's exactly the same region I hear some buildup, too. I know I've mentioned this before, but it makes the 017 a poor match (for my taste) with my Stam 1073MPA. I really like the Soyuz with a pre that's less colored in that area of the spectrum. My ultra-clean Metric Halo preamps or WT-72 are more flattering with the Soyuz. I love my Stam 1073, just not with the Soyuz. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 25, 2023 12:42:25 GMT -6
Finally got around to listening to this. Out of the processed takes, I have a clear preference for the Soyuz. But without the processing, it's a lot closer. I still think the Soyuz has a slight edge, but the Warm has a Neumann-esque quality in the mids that I really like. Johnkenn How'd you EQ these? I really like what you did. Kind of sounds like what happens when I do a low shelf cut on my Wunder before hitting the compressor. Pro Q-3. Just by memory they both were HP at around 90Hz. Then dig out 100, 250, etc then 700-900 ish. Kindve looks like a low shelf. Then bell cut around 1.5 and 3 ish. Some of them had dynamic eq engaged. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 25, 2023 12:46:24 GMT -6
Recorded a female vocal with the Warm 67. There’s definitely kind of a weird resonance that builds up on the bottom. Almost like I’m hearing room sound or like it’s in Omni. Weird. Nothing I don’t think I can get rid of - but definitely brings me back down to earth with it. I still say it’s a pretty killer value. As a second mic or room mics on drums. These slay.
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Post by drumsound on Apr 25, 2023 13:37:27 GMT -6
I finally remembered to take a listen to these at the studio. There's a really satisfying thing in the low/low-mids on clip B. I think that might be the Warm, because It reminds me of that inviting Neumann thing. In solo that makes me like it a tad more. Clip A has a nice clarity that I enjoy and I might pick it in context. (I'll now read the thread and see if I totally blew it  ) |
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