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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 19, 2023 23:16:58 GMT -6
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Post by honkeur on Apr 20, 2023 2:58:49 GMT -6
Is the Soyuz the tube or FET version ?
If it’s FET, then my guess is Mic A = Soyuz, Mic B = Warm
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2023 7:05:00 GMT -6
The tube
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 20, 2023 8:07:02 GMT -6
My guess: A is the Soyuz 017, B is the WA67.
The difference is simply low mid clarity. It's the same with the BU67 vs the WA67.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2023 8:23:10 GMT -6
See I would say that’s not less clarity, but more heft/beef. Just more info that can be taken out.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 20, 2023 8:28:07 GMT -6
I think smoother Take A, is the Soyuz. Like I've said before... Any justice in the so-called Music Industry, you'd be riding the Charts-with your vocals too!  Chris |
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Post by chessparov on Apr 20, 2023 10:05:57 GMT -6
Can you post the RAW vocals John, for A/B comparison? Easier for an amateur like me, to hear the differences. IMHO those Warb_ahem Warm capsules  are a little more veiled than the "big boy" Premium "Inspired by's". Chris |
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Post by aremos on Apr 20, 2023 10:14:45 GMT -6
Would pick A (Soyuz?) over B. & interested in what Verb you used? |
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Post by Ward on Apr 20, 2023 10:22:29 GMT -6
There's less mud in B.
The low mid distortion in A is a stopper for me. Neither the 67 RI nor the H47 or Signal Arts 48 have that.
It might bother me more than others.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 20, 2023 10:25:44 GMT -6
Hmm.. Will re-listen soon.
Chris
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Post by robo on Apr 20, 2023 10:42:19 GMT -6
I like A better on this (your?) voice. The low mids and overall more saturated sound thicken it up nicely, though there is a blurriness I don’t love. I’m guessing that’s the Soyuz based on my limited experience with that mic.
B is clearer but I don’t find it as enjoyable. I’d feel compelled to add some saturation off the bat.
Nice singing regardless!
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Post by WKG on Apr 20, 2023 10:47:00 GMT -6
Haven't used the WA67 but A sounds like the Soyuz 017 to me.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2023 11:15:53 GMT -6
There's less mud in B. The low mid distortion in A is a stopper for me. Neither the 67 RI nor the H47 or Signal Arts 48 have that. It might bother me more than others. That's more likely the Sta. And it's one of the reasons I buy the sta and then sell it. Rinse and repeat. It's like catnip for me. It sounds freaking glorious solo...but if you're doing a modern mix, it can kind of give you more issues than you want in the low end. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2023 11:16:24 GMT -6
A=Soyuz
B=Warm 67
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2023 11:22:32 GMT -6
My guess: A is the Soyuz 017, B is the WA67. The difference is simply low mid clarity. It's the same with the BU67 vs the WA67. Just used it for a vocal. I can see how this could be an issue now...Not quite as easy to control as I first thought. That being said, that's a HELL of a lot of mic for $800. There are things I like about it even better than the Soyuz. EDIT: Well shit...now I don't know, it sounds pretty damn good. Be interesting to see what it sounded like through a FET comp. Maybe that would be less accentuation of the lows. |
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Post by aremos on Apr 20, 2023 11:31:52 GMT -6
John, what Verb did you use?
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2023 11:34:43 GMT -6
John, what Verb did you use? UAD EMT 140...I turn the mod up...seems to give it some movement. Oh - and I HP it there on the left side of the plug  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2023 11:38:34 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2023 12:26:29 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Apr 20, 2023 17:42:19 GMT -6
I am 99% certain we all knew that, but still that low-mid mud really kills the Soyuz for me (in the unattractive way). |
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Post by wiz on Apr 20, 2023 18:01:04 GMT -6
I preferred A out of the two.. I found the esses (top end) harsh in B, even with the STA...
Any chance you could cut the vocal without the STA and using say the UA Fairchild or 176 plug in ? Would love to hear that...
cheers
Wiz
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Post by chessparov on Apr 20, 2023 18:24:57 GMT -6
When experts differ. Hmm...
My favorite "take" was the WA67 RAW through the STA.
If the Soyuz was placed farther back, I wonder if that might clear up the Low Mids? Overall I preferred the Soyuz though.
Chris
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 20, 2023 18:38:13 GMT -6
I was enjoying my WA67 through my VComp last night too.
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 20, 2023 19:03:20 GMT -6
When experts differ. Hmm... My favorite "take" was the WA67 RAW through the STA. If the Soyuz was placed farther back, I wonder if that might clear up the Low Mids? Overall I preferred the Soyuz though. Chris I do find that my Soyuz 017FET has a strong proximity effect, and that it changes quite a bit depending on what preamp I use it with. If I use it with my Stam 1073MPA (with the beefier Sowters), it's too much low mids. If I use it with cleaner preamps or with something like my Weight Tank WT72, it's much more balanced. I experience this phenomenon more with my Soyuz than with any other condenser I've ever recorded. I don't know why that's the case, but that's been my experience. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2023 19:49:34 GMT -6
I am 99% certain we all knew that, but still that low-mid mud really kills the Soyuz for me (in the unattractive way). We all bow to you |
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are a little more veiled than the "big boy" Premium "Inspired by's".
