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Post by ericn on Apr 23, 2023 17:53:53 GMT -6
See here is the difference between here and GS, here we can disagree without starting a war, next to the Mytek, Radar Grace and the Conversion in the Lexicon home theater box, I was disappointed with the Mini DSP, you find it transparent each to his own, but I will say I found the Trinnov’s conversion to be in the league of Mytek Lavry etc. I'm sure the Trinnov I/O is tops! When I got my SHD the first thing I did was listen to my monitors without it patched in, then listened through the SHD set flat, and my monitors sounded the same to me. I know that's far from a proper A/B test, which would have been hard to do since I'd have to replug everything between listens, so a lot of memory is involved. But the good news is that the Dirac calibration was all done while monitoring through the SHD so it naturally optimized itself for itself! See where as every Mini DSP converter I have had I hear the difference instantly, I’m glad it works for you, if the 8 ch AES Mini DSP I would be running Dirac. If it works for you it works for you. |
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Post by drastic on Apr 24, 2023 7:07:00 GMT -6
I’m going to keep an eye on this once it’s released for sure. I’m currently using the plug in version of Dirac which I’ve been fairly happy with but curious what step up this may be…. I’m currently using a Dangerous Convert DA and Monitor ST, this with the remote add on could replace those….
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 24, 2023 8:47:49 GMT -6
I’ve actually noticed since getting my room acoustics done, there’s certainly not a humongous difference when bypassing the Trinnov. Well, I hear the dip at 90-100hz and the boost at 40-60hz…but I wonder if Sonarworks couldn’t be a solution for that. I’m going to do some testing today - recalibrate with SW and then go back and forth.
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Post by mcirish on May 16, 2023 9:46:42 GMT -6
John,
What was the outcome of your testing? I just did a new calibration of Sonarworks, after I replaced the studio floor. So far, I'm very happy with Sonarworks after using it since version 3. What does Dirac or Trinnov bring that Sonarworks doesn't, and is it something easy to hear?
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Post by lowlou on May 16, 2023 10:00:08 GMT -6
((Trinnov would offload the CPU calculation on a dedicated chip for one thing. Sonarwork is too CPU intensive for my blood ; real time audio processing can occur on one processor core, multithreading is limited (on Reaper at least), so you quickly run out of resources ; even on a great recent I9 intel CPU and so I find every kit that offloads CPU calculation out of the box welcome))
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Post by kcatthedog on May 16, 2023 11:08:38 GMT -6
SW doesn’t compensate for delay, so theoretically won’t sound as precise and focussed: its not just about flat freq response.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 11:54:09 GMT -6
SW doesn’t compensate for delay, so theoretically won’t sound as precise and focussed: its not just about flat freq response. It can, but I don't know if it does for the particular software you're testing. I use the GLM system with my Gennies, and there is delay compensation there. It's a fairly simple matter to compute a speaker's time-of-flight during calibration so I can't see any reason why it couldn't be a feature of a software correction package. But it is an important question to ask. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 16, 2023 12:04:23 GMT -6
John, What was the outcome of your testing? I just did a new calibration of Sonarworks, after I replaced the studio floor. So far, I'm very happy with Sonarworks after using it since version 3. What does Dirac or Trinnov bring that Sonarworks doesn't, and is it something easy to hear? Thought I had posted this somewhere...but to me, there's still a huge difference. It's the phase correction that's a huge part of it. |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 16, 2023 14:51:56 GMT -6
SW doesn’t compensate for delay, so theoretically won’t sound as precise and focussed: its not just about flat freq response. It can, but I don't know if it does for the particular software you're testing. I use the GLM system with my Gennies, and there is delay compensation there. It's a fairly simple matter to compute a speaker's time-of-flight during calibration so I can't see any reason why it couldn't be a feature of a software correction package. But it is an important question to ask. I was talking about sonarworks? I am not aware of it compensating for delay ? |
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Post by mcirish on May 16, 2023 15:11:57 GMT -6
Sonarworks compensates for channel delay between left and right but does not do phase correction. Sometimes I wish I was made of money. It would be fun to check out the differences, but bills have to get paid every once in a while.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 16, 2023 16:58:28 GMT -6
Sonarworks compensates for channel delay between left and right but does not do phase correction. Sometimes I wish I was made of money. It would be fun to check out the differences, but bills have to get paid every once in a while. Believe me...if I could sell this thing and pocket the diff, I would in a heartbeat. I hadn't tried SW in a while and I have new room treatment, so a couple weeks ago (I swear I posted about it in some thread) I re-captured a profile with SW and compared each. The bottom was really different with Trinnov. In a really good way. |
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Post by christophert on May 18, 2023 5:49:43 GMT -6
I placed my order for a Nova - timing is perfect !
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Post by deaconblues on May 18, 2023 7:52:15 GMT -6
I placed my order for a Nova - timing is perfect ! Full review on arrival, please! |
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Post by plinker on Aug 5, 2023 13:25:06 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 5, 2023 17:07:39 GMT -6
I’ve actually noticed since getting my room acoustics done, there’s certainly not a humongous difference when bypassing the Trinnov. Well, I hear the dip at 90-100hz and the boost at 40-60hz…but I wonder if Sonarworks couldn’t be a solution for that. I’m going to do some testing today - recalibrate with SW and then go back and forth. I would like to amend this. In terms of results, the trinnov makes a huge difference. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 5, 2023 17:09:12 GMT -6
Whoa…that’s a little too good to be true if you ask me. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 5, 2023 17:13:20 GMT -6
The fact that you need to pay money for instant access ti see seller info, is a big red flag for me: no thx.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 5, 2023 18:40:37 GMT -6
What do you mean?
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 5, 2023 19:27:28 GMT -6
I say that’s a scam. Stay away. Only thread he’s started, joined July ‘23. He’s got posts made today on other threads, and they are ALL one word posts. Scams are getting better, but still buyer beware in this one. No one is selling a Trinnov and 3D mic for that price.
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Post by ericn on Aug 5, 2023 19:54:25 GMT -6
I say that’s a scam. Stay away. Only thread he’s started, joined July ‘23. He’s got posts made today on other threads, and they are ALL one word posts. Scams are getting better, but still buyer beware in this one. No one is selling a Trinnov and 3D mic for that price. Why next your going to break my heart and tell me that Prince is going to share his fortune after I help him relocate his money and I didn’t win the Irish Sweepstakes 😁 |
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Post by plinker on Aug 5, 2023 22:45:33 GMT -6
I say that’s a scam. Stay away. Only thread he’s started, joined July ‘23. He’s got posts made today on other threads, and they are ALL one word posts. Scams are getting better, but still buyer beware in this one. No one is selling a Trinnov and 3D mic for that price. I agree and apologize for not doing due diligence on that. I didn't realize the new price on Trinnov stuff was so expensive. I should have looked at his background more before propagating the scam. |
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Post by drumstar2112 on Aug 6, 2023 6:15:56 GMT -6
So its 3500 , or 4200 with their mic…i wonder if you ‘need’ their mic of it any decent measurement mic would do okay ?
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 6, 2023 6:20:31 GMT -6
When I clicked on link, on gs site, I had no info about seller and reference to needing Instant Access requiring $20 usd ?
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 6, 2023 6:32:37 GMT -6
Think it requires too many resources to have the computer run it and everything else. Latency wise, I’ll have to look, but I think I’ve got it at like 256? It’s for mixing, so you wouldn’t use it while tracking…although since I’m monitoring via the Apollo while I track, I’m not hearing that latency. The Apollo is my interface to get into the computer. I have a Burl AD that connects via spdif, then I go out of the Apollo spdif (mirror analog 1-2) via a spdif to AES cable into the Trinnov. Then digital out of the Trinnov into a Burl DA. Everything has worked flawlessly. You can connect the Trinnov to your computer with an Ethernet cable and then reach the software via your browser. I have a similar setup (two x16s, x6 and a xTwin, dangerous AD+ via digital input, using aes to Core59s for monitoring.) I’m using my twin X as monitor controller / talkback. Do you know if that still work fine with the Nova? Or do you need to use their monitor controller? Thanks |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 6, 2023 10:06:09 GMT -6
Think it requires too many resources to have the computer run it and everything else. Latency wise, I’ll have to look, but I think I’ve got it at like 256? It’s for mixing, so you wouldn’t use it while tracking…although since I’m monitoring via the Apollo while I track, I’m not hearing that latency. The Apollo is my interface to get into the computer. I have a Burl AD that connects via spdif, then I go out of the Apollo spdif (mirror analog 1-2) via a spdif to AES cable into the Trinnov. Then digital out of the Trinnov into a Burl DA. Everything has worked flawlessly. You can connect the Trinnov to your computer with an Ethernet cable and then reach the software via your browser. I have a similar setup (two x16s, x6 and a xTwin, dangerous AD+ via digital input, using aes to Core59s for monitoring.) I’m using my twin X as monitor controller / talkback. Do you know if that still work fine with the Nova? Or do you need to use their monitor controller? Thanks I’d imagine that would still work. |
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