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Tonex
Mar 10, 2023 10:43:22 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 10, 2023 10:43:22 GMT -6
Thoughts?
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Post by sirthought on Mar 10, 2023 12:00:00 GMT -6
I would be more interested if it was stereo.
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Tonex
Mar 10, 2023 12:03:35 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 10, 2023 12:03:35 GMT -6
I tried it out. Thought the Marshall sounded good…but the Fenders were bad and tended to all sound the same. Actually, it reminded me of a Kemper where all the sounds have a similar sound to them.
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Post by donr on Mar 10, 2023 12:30:06 GMT -6
Could have used a better name. Sounds like a cosmetic.
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Tonex
Mar 10, 2023 15:07:51 GMT -6
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Post by phantom on Mar 10, 2023 15:07:51 GMT -6
It's actually really cool. Mostly the users captures (IK ones are kind of mid imo)
But yeah, you can easily find 10 awesome captures, in different styles, and this will cover anything you'll need.
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Post by sirthought on Mar 10, 2023 21:27:33 GMT -6
I tried it out. Thought the Marshall sounded good…but the Fenders were bad and tended to all sound the same. Actually, it reminded me of a Kemper where all the sounds have a similar sound to them. Someone on another board was saying the Fenders were so good that people should switch from the UADFX Dream. The example they posted then of a "good" Twin sound was super distorted (for a Twin) and didn't sound like a clean Fender at all. I bet it's like anything, though, and you'll figure out a way to get what you want out of it. I have an Iridium and have been happy with the Fender in that. The videos I've heard of the Dream might be better. I can't just keep buying new gear and losing money on the old stuff. But I actually do enjoy working with the pedal instead of mic'ing an amp. Probably not a popular thing to say on a recording gear forum, but it's just easier and I'm getting good tracks.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 10, 2023 23:29:23 GMT -6
I tried it out. Thought the Marshall sounded good…but the Fenders were bad and tended to all sound the same. Actually, it reminded me of a Kemper where all the sounds have a similar sound to them. Someone on another board was saying the Fenders were so good that people should switch from the UADFX Dream. The example they posted then of a "good" Twin sound was super distorted (for a Twin) and didn't sound like a clean Fender at all. I bet it's like anything, though, and you'll figure out a way to get what you want out of it. I have an Iridium and have been happy with the Fender in that. The videos I've heard of the Dream might be better. I can't just keep buying new gear and losing money on the old stuff. But I actually do enjoy working with the pedal instead of mic'ing an amp. Probably not a popular thing to say on a recording gear forum, but it's just easier and I'm getting good tracks. I’ve got the Dream. Really like it.
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Post by thehightenor on Mar 11, 2023 3:19:48 GMT -6
I’m sat here with my Fender Princeton and Tone King Imperial mk2 a bunch of fancy mics and pre’s and I’m feeling like a Luddite!! You guys are all raving about digital emulations, what am I missing here, why am I going to the trouble of recording real amps? Or a better question why is everyone using emulators? Is it the real amp volume that’s the issue? Or a case of the tone is “good enough” and the convenience it a big draw? I need to know
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Post by gwlee7 on Mar 11, 2023 5:47:30 GMT -6
I do my initial compositions, structure, solo ideas, etc using my Iridium and then “push air” after I get my drum tracks back. The ease of writing with an “amp box” is why I have one.
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Tonex
Mar 11, 2023 8:03:24 GMT -6
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Post by thehightenor on Mar 11, 2023 8:03:24 GMT -6
I do my initial compositions, structure, solo ideas, etc using my Iridium and then “push air” after I get my drum tracks back. The ease of writing with an “amp box” is why I have one. Okay thanks, I have S-Gear for that or a Boss Katana II in which case there’s little extra advantage if I’m going to record my toob amps for the final tracking stage.
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Tonex
Mar 11, 2023 8:37:03 GMT -6
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Post by bikescene on Mar 11, 2023 8:37:03 GMT -6
I’ve wanted to check ToneX to capture some of my own amps.
I’m also curious to see how it this technology compares to the Fractal Audio stuff.
I’ll check it out sooner or later, when it goes on sale.
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Post by notneeson on Mar 11, 2023 8:55:03 GMT -6
I do my initial compositions, structure, solo ideas, etc using my Iridium and then “push air” after I get my drum tracks back. The ease of writing with an “amp box” is why I have one. Okay thanks, I have S-Gear for that or a Boss Katana II in which case there’s little extra advantage if I’m going to record my toob amps for the final tracking stage. I’ll totally use a sim for a keeper track, I’m not redoing something that’s working great in the track. Unless it’s crying out for replacement, which would be the same criteria for a real amp track. I’m gloriously immune to theoretical improvements these days. If a plugin is getting me all the way there I’m not going to pull out a bunch of hardware to chase “better.” And yet, sims get used over amps only for convenience, I can work on personal projects when my kids are playing Lego. It’s about creativity, above all. At any actual studio it’s almost always amps, but if I’m engineering and the player brings in a Fractal we use that and it’s totally fine. Has happened exactly once. I’ve also had dufus guitar players insist on playing their Blues Deville despite the pile of superior amps and I’m not one to push on that, it’s not worth brow beating someone who’s about to perform.
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Post by Ward on Mar 11, 2023 10:41:55 GMT -6
Could have used a better name. Sounds like a cosmetic. Moisturizes your tone in the most virtual way.
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Tonex
Mar 11, 2023 12:32:42 GMT -6
Post by mattbroiler on Mar 11, 2023 12:32:42 GMT -6
regarding the name there also happens to be this other device called XTone from XSonic that does very close to the same thing - low latency high res stomp interface that integrates with mobile versions of biasfx and some other amp sim softwares xsonicaudio.com/pages/xtoneedit - XTone is a lot less expensive actually it's not necessarily all that similar in that it's more geared towards mobile use not capturing amp profiles like the Tonex
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Tonex
Mar 11, 2023 12:49:31 GMT -6
Post by thehightenor on Mar 11, 2023 12:49:31 GMT -6
Okay thanks, I have S-Gear for that or a Boss Katana II in which case there’s little extra advantage if I’m going to record my toob amps for the final tracking stage. I’ll totally use a sim for a keeper track, I’m not redoing something that’s working great in the track. Unless it’s crying out for replacement, which would be the same criteria for a real amp track. I’m gloriously immune to theoretical improvements these days. If a plugin is getting me all the way there I’m not going to pull out a bunch of hardware to chase “better.” And yet, sims get used over amps only for convenience, I can work on personal projects when my kids are playing Lego. It’s about creativity, above all. At any actual studio it’s almost always amps, but if I’m engineering and the player brings in a Fractal we use that and it’s totally fine. Has happened exactly once. I’ve also had dufus guitar players insist on playing their Blues Deville despite the pile of superior amps and I’m not one to push on that, it’s not worth brow beating someone who’s about to perform. Is a real tube amp only a theoretical improvement? I guess that was my question about Tonex. I'm certain about my thoughts on S-Gear and a Kemper as I have S-Gear and I've had a Kemper in here many times and the Tone King Imperial mk2 and Princeton Reverb through a AEA R92 and 57 (1073 and AEA pre's) recorded at gig volume (ala Tim Pierce) are a very different sound especially in the critical mids - to my ears definitely not a theoretical difference. But, Tonex is new and perhaps they've greatly improved on the Kemper and emulations like S-Gear. I'm keen to get one in here to demo it.
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Tonex
Mar 11, 2023 13:00:38 GMT -6
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Post by gwlee7 on Mar 11, 2023 13:00:38 GMT -6
Okay thanks, I have S-Gear for that or a Boss Katana II in which case there’s little extra advantage if I’m going to record my toob amps for the final tracking stage. I’ll totally use a sim for a keeper track, I’m not redoing something that’s working great in the track. Unless it’s crying out for replacement, which would be the same criteria for a real amp track. I’m gloriously immune to theoretical improvements these days. If a plugin is getting me all the way there I’m not going to pull out a bunch of hardware to chase “better.” And yet, sims get used over amps only for convenience, I can work on personal projects when my kids are playing Lego. It’s about creativity, above all. At any actual studio it’s almost always amps, but if I’m engineering and the player brings in a Fractal we use that and it’s totally fine. Has happened exactly once. I’ve also had dufus guitar players insist on playing their Blues Deville despite the pile of superior amps and I’m not one to push on that, it’s not worth brow beating someone who’s about to perform. True. Some times they end up staying.
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Tonex
Mar 11, 2023 16:20:53 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 11, 2023 16:20:53 GMT -6
Maybe it’s just me…but I don’t really think this sounds very good.
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Tonex
Mar 11, 2023 16:49:42 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 11, 2023 16:49:42 GMT -6
Hmm, who knows all the settings, but my first thought was: it doesn’t sound very 335 sweet ?
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Post by thehightenor on Mar 11, 2023 17:07:37 GMT -6
In my general experience, my boutique tube amps brings out the individual character of a guitars.
A digital simulation makes my guitars sound much more similar.
Just an observation, I've personally found to be true.
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Post by notneeson on Mar 11, 2023 18:04:40 GMT -6
I’ll totally use a sim for a keeper track, I’m not redoing something that’s working great in the track. Unless it’s crying out for replacement, which would be the same criteria for a real amp track. I’m gloriously immune to theoretical improvements these days. If a plugin is getting me all the way there I’m not going to pull out a bunch of hardware to chase “better.” And yet, sims get used over amps only for convenience, I can work on personal projects when my kids are playing Lego. It’s about creativity, above all. At any actual studio it’s almost always amps, but if I’m engineering and the player brings in a Fractal we use that and it’s totally fine. Has happened exactly once. I’ve also had dufus guitar players insist on playing their Blues Deville despite the pile of superior amps and I’m not one to push on that, it’s not worth brow beating someone who’s about to perform. Is a real tube amp only a theoretical improvement? I guess that was my question about Tonex. I'm certain about my thoughts on S-Gear and a Kemper as I have S-Gear and I've had a Kemper in here many times and the Tone King Imperial mk2 and Princeton Reverb through a AEA R92 and 57 (1073 and AEA pre's) recorded at gig volume (ala Tim Pierce) are a very different sound especially in the critical mids - to my ears definitely not a theoretical difference. But, Tonex is new and perhaps they've greatly improved on the Kemper and emulations like S-Gear. I'm keen to get one in here to demo it. Well, the thing is the take itself really, if I’ve got lightning in a bottle then I’m keeping it. Doesn’t matter if I played it on a Hondo or a 58 burst. I’m not hearing a critical difference in the mids between sims and real amps, necessarily. Something like a pocket pod, well yes, those suck. I do love my amps. But I don’t have to use them to make music. Actually, just scored a Princeton Reverb though. 😂
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Tonex
Mar 11, 2023 21:39:22 GMT -6
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Post by gwlee7 on Mar 11, 2023 21:39:22 GMT -6
Thank god for Tim Weber and Weber attenuators.
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Tonex
Mar 12, 2023 4:38:47 GMT -6
Post by BenjaminAshlin on Mar 12, 2023 4:38:47 GMT -6
Maybe it’s just me…but I don’t really think this sounds very good. You're not wrong. But with a profiler you really need to compare it to the amp thats being profiled. There are some good comparisons with the tonex on youtube, and for sure it is more accurate that the kemper. But the kemper doesn't really capture the mids and the pick attack correctly.
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Tonex
Mar 12, 2023 8:21:20 GMT -6
Post by phantom on Mar 12, 2023 8:21:20 GMT -6
What's the problem with that Marshall??
From what I see on ToneNet, this guy, amalgam, does pretty good captures.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 14, 2023 13:16:00 GMT -6
Just spent a bunch of time messing around with it and comparing to the Dream pedal. Just like the Kemper, this thing is completely profile dependent. There are some free Tone Junkies profiles of a Deluxe, AC30 and Plexi that are actually quite good. I don't think I have anything more than the free Tonex plugin...You have to open that to download them to your local library, then you can load them into Amplitube and use all of its effects. Make sure you turn off the cabinet when you load the Tonex amp, though. It def sounds like a miked up amp. Don't know if the Dream is better - little less bright for sure.
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Tonex
Mar 14, 2023 15:21:44 GMT -6
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Post by tkaitkai on Mar 14, 2023 15:21:44 GMT -6
I haven’t done a deep dive into Tonex yet, but I have messed around with the Marshall and it’s really good. It’s actually made it onto a few final mixes. The other stock amps aren’t really my thing, but I definitely need to try out some of the user profiles.
I still miss my Kemper. I can get tones that are just as good with EQ matching, but man, it’s fun to have a physical box where I can just print tones and not sit there halfway through a mix wondering, “But what if I tried a different amp?”
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