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Post by copperx on Mar 6, 2023 14:21:37 GMT -6
Are there any any devices that are particularly good at fixing problems that occurred during tracking? I often mix tracks that were not recorded in an ideal way, so I'm always looking for things that can unf*ck tracking sins.
Sure, it's always much better to record again, but sometimes that's not possible due to budget or time constraints.
I'll share one of mine. Even though I am not fond of the Distressor sound, especially on vocals, it can even out a vocal performance like nothing else I've used, especially if the vocalist was too far from the microphone. It has this "road rolling" power that flattens a performance like a pancake without nasty artifacts, and I can later add dynamics with automation.
Another one is the Acon DeVerberate plugin. Sometimes it can get rid of a bad room sound, but like most software, it is tweaky and sometimes the artifacts are not worth it.
Are there any tools that you can always rely on for fixing certain things?
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Post by mcirish on Mar 6, 2023 14:49:43 GMT -6
Acon Denoise has been super handy at fixing amp buzz without wrecking the rest of the sound. Actually, all the Acon Digital stuff I own is great. I know it flies under the radar for most people but Stian's products are really quite good. Other than that, a ton of hand automation (clip gain) goes a long way to fixing some really poorly recorded stuff.
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Post by drsax on Mar 6, 2023 20:46:12 GMT -6
- UAD C-Vox for tracks recorded with too much room noise or echo in the room - SPL transient designer as well. - OEK Soothe 2 plug-in to tame upper & upper mid harshness - Izotope RX pack for pops, clicks, clipping, the wrong kind of distortion, etc. - UAD Oxford Dynamic EQ - Slate Trigger 2 for blending better kick, snare and tom sounds with the original drum tracks, or in a worst-case scenario, replacing terrible sounding kicks, snares and toms - in the hardware world, the Handsome Audio Zulu has also saved some harsh or overly thin tracks that needed help. These are some that get frequent use around here. Not perfect solutions, but they have rescued some fairly awful tracks that I’ve recieved. And most importantly, they keep me on schedule working and getting projects delivered and getting paid - instead of telling clients something sucks and then having to wait for a week to get a revised track (with a multitude of extra phone calls during that time seeking advice, approval, and other unpaid consultations). Oh, and of course, well recorded tracks are better than any of these solutions
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Post by RealNoob on Mar 6, 2023 22:17:02 GMT -6
-Trigger 2 -Izotope Declick/pop (life saver on live tracks) -Right now, with everything I work with being live, the rack is serving well at running everything through it individually and then again for mixbuss: Tape emu -> corrective EQ -> transparent compression -> boosting EQ.
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Post by phdamage on Mar 6, 2023 22:52:53 GMT -6
Admittedly had never heard of Acon stuff. How does it compare to izotope?
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Post by geoff738 on Mar 6, 2023 23:04:04 GMT -6
Mute button?
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2023 23:10:40 GMT -6
Sound Radix, Tokyo Dawn, and the MDWEQ6 for sharp cuts.
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Post by drumsound on Mar 7, 2023 0:05:17 GMT -6
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Post by drbill on Mar 7, 2023 0:42:24 GMT -6
Bricasti.
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Post by sean on Mar 7, 2023 7:59:55 GMT -6
iZotope RX, Music Rebalance can really save the day sometimes, VocAlign can really save a lot of time, and Massey DRT. And of course Auto-Tune. I bought RePitch but haven't really dove in...creature of habit I guess.
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Post by mcirish on Mar 7, 2023 8:57:15 GMT -6
Admittedly had never heard of Acon stuff. How does it compare to izotope? I have both RX and Acon Digital Acoustica. Izotope RX is a bit deeper but I can work very fast in Acoustica. I tend to start with that and only use RX when I run into something I can't fix with the Acon stuff, which is basically never. Granted, the only thing I typically have to use any spectral editing for is upright bass. Those are noise machines. creaks and groans.... I think the Acon plugins are well worth looking at. I also use Acon Acoustica for editing much more often than I use Wavelab. It's quicker and let cluttered. Somewhere around version 8 or so, Wavelab got really messy looking and I just never felt like relearning it. I still have the latest version, but usually, Acoustica is all I need.
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Post by jaba on Mar 7, 2023 10:13:10 GMT -6
It's a rare occasion, but when I'm mixing something with a drum loop that isn't quite gelling, I've found something like the Fuse Drum SSX can be very powerful not only to rebalance levels but also to change the decay/EQ on individual drums.
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Post by copperx on Mar 7, 2023 10:17:51 GMT -6
On individual sources or on the 2-bus?
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Post by copperx on Mar 7, 2023 10:24:34 GMT -6
I bought RePitch but haven't really dove in...creature of habit I guess. Even though SynchroArts's UI is like a torture chamber, it still saves a lot of time. It looks like they have fixed the UI in VocAlign Ultra; it might be worth getting that instead of ReVoice, which has the old UI.
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Post by drbill on Mar 7, 2023 11:11:34 GMT -6
On individual sources or on the 2-bus? I use it in both places, but on the 2bus - Studio A - mixed in judiciously. For a lot of mixes, it imparts a definite "something I can't put my finger on" for clients that they really love.
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Post by Tbone81 on Mar 7, 2023 11:33:34 GMT -6
I bought RePitch but haven't really dove in...creature of habit I guess. Even though SynchroArts's UI is like a torture chamber, it still saves a lot of time. It looks like they have fixed the UI in VocAlign Ultra; it might be worth getting that instead of ReVoice, which has the old UI. I've never got along with Vocalign...and I have this irking feeling like its just me, that I must be doing something wrong. But everytime I try it the results are either too subtle, or too extreme. And its never been better than me manually editing bg vocals. Still...I feel like its a personal failure! lol
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Post by christopher on Mar 7, 2023 12:05:46 GMT -6
My favorite thing for stuff that I know is impossible to re-record, I put a mic up to the monitor’s woofer and re-record it. I don’t know if it’s just bias or what, but I don’t hate it as bad afterwards. Maybe it enables me using a dynamic or tube mic when they probably should have?
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Post by copperx on Mar 7, 2023 12:31:05 GMT -6
Even though SynchroArts's UI is like a torture chamber, it still saves a lot of time. It looks like they have fixed the UI in VocAlign Ultra; it might be worth getting that instead of ReVoice, which has the old UI. I've never got along with Vocalign...and I have this irking feeling like its just me, that I must be doing something wrong. But everytime I try it the results are either too subtle, or too extreme. And its never been better than me manually editing bg vocals. Still...I feel like its a personal failure! lol I'll admit VocAlign is a bit strange. If you solo any of the aligned tracks, you'll hear many artifacts. However, when all of the aligned tracks are playing, you can't hear them. It's like the artifacts get artfully masked on purpose.
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Post by Ward on Mar 7, 2023 12:32:21 GMT -6
On a 2-buss or 'souping up' someone else's mix... Focusrite red 2, red 3 OR... a pair of EQP re-creations and a buss comp. (yes, I'm fond of a particular BRAND) Otherwise I yield to the gentleman from Colorado drsax
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Post by copperx on Mar 7, 2023 12:34:02 GMT -6
My favorite thing for stuff that I know is impossible to re-record, I put a mic up to the monitor’s woofer and re-record it. I don’t know if it’s just bias or what, but I don’t hate it as bad afterwards. Maybe it enables me using a dynamic or tube mic when they probably should have? This is not the fist time I hear about this technique, but I have never tried it. When recording the track, do you play it through a full range system, or just nearfield monitors?
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Post by ericn on Mar 7, 2023 13:16:29 GMT -6
As long as you only have to push a couple!
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Post by seawell on Mar 7, 2023 13:42:33 GMT -6
Retro 176 for home recorded vocals.
Fatso for anything overly bright/brittle.
RX seems to get used somewhere on every project.
Soothe/Spiff as well.
Lots of💩 polishing going on these days unfortunately as people seem to think tracking is simple and they can do that part on their own 🤣
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Post by christopher on Mar 7, 2023 16:02:18 GMT -6
My favorite thing for stuff that I know is impossible to re-record, I put a mic up to the monitor’s woofer and re-record it. I don’t know if it’s just bias or what, but I don’t hate it as bad afterwards. Maybe it enables me using a dynamic or tube mic when they probably should have? This is not the fist time I hear about this technique, but I have never tried it. When recording the track, do you play it through a full range system, or just nearfield monitors? For me it started out before the reverbs had the IR’s for control room and booth, I would enjoy getting a little 3D life with a mic setup, sometimes even XY or MS if easy. It helped make things 3D, I didn’t care about great tone so I’d use often use a dynamic for the mid mic and LDC for fig8. Then delete one if MS wasn’t worth it. Quick and simple. So the troubled stuff, I’d try everything like room reverb and it wouldn't work, so I’d get angry at it and just move one mic to the woofer, like a guitar cab. Surprisingly, it helped a lot. I guess the cone being like a filtered response, and the mic having a certain color.. I dunno? I did try guitar amps too, but they have a lot of noise and take time to dial. Edit: 🤔as I think more on it I had seen a picture of some engineer doing it in the 90s, and most of my BIG problems were bass- usually DI with extra clanky strings slightly out of tune, and me trying to get usable lows while demolishing all highs and mids.. that’s where reamp on the monitor worked pretty good. Also if there was no outer kick mic and I didn’t want to use a sample. Something about the natural limits of the speaker can give a good compressed low and low mid range iirc?
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Post by drsax on Mar 8, 2023 21:00:56 GMT -6
On a 2-buss or 'souping up' someone else's mix... Focusrite red 2, red 3 OR... a pair of EQP re-creations and a buss comp. (yes, I'm fond of a particular BRAND) Otherwise I yield to the gentleman from Colorado drsax yes! the AS EQPA’s are gorgeous sounding!!! Love my pair
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Post by drsax on Mar 8, 2023 21:04:20 GMT -6
oh yeah… the Bricasti… how could I forget that one from my list? A thing of beauty. Also, the Audioscape XL-305r spring reverb is pretty stunning as well, but totally different than the Bricasti. Heck, I just love great gear! Too much to list really. We are spoiled these days.
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