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Post by ChaseUTB on Feb 27, 2017 19:03:48 GMT -6
I got a DBX PB-48 and Sal walked me through setting it up THANKS, littlesicily! So - why did I wait this long to do this? Jeesh...I'm a moron. This is awesome! Finally really able to A/B pres and able to choose a compressor by listening...not just plugging one in and being too lazy to switch it out. Do you remember how he explained the normalling to you ? I'm trying to setup an Apollo with SA4000, wa76 and am getting mixed responses as far as the proposed setup. Did you have an apollo when doing this ? |
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Post by stratboy on Feb 27, 2017 20:40:00 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 28, 2017 8:28:13 GMT -6
not particularly...it's witchcraft. I have it set up and it works, so I leave well-enough alone. I think most if not all of mine are half normalled. Seems like I had to do something different for the SA4000.  |
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Post by stratboy on Feb 28, 2017 20:42:01 GMT -6
I got a DBX PB-48 and Sal walked me through setting it up THANKS, littlesicily! So - why did I wait this long to do this? Jeesh...I'm a moron. This is awesome! Finally really able to A/B pres and able to choose a compressor by listening...not just plugging one in and being too lazy to switch it out. Do you remember how he explained the normalling to you ? I'm trying to setup an Apollo with SA4000, wa76 and am getting mixed responses as far as the proposed setup. Did you have an apollo when doing this ? I don't know the Apollo, but let's say hypothetically you have an 8x8 interface and 1 SA4000 and 1 WA76. Let's say you want to always have the SA on your master bus, and the WA gets patched around as needed. Let's also posit that you have two 48 PT Samson TRS patch bays (sorry, Dr Bill and Ericn, this is hypothetical 😀), set one on the other in the rack, so you have four rows of 24 pts each. Finally, let's say you set up an insert in PT called 2bus that uses outputs 7&8. Here's how you could set up your bay: Row 1, pts 1-8, get the interface outputs 1-8. Row 2, pts 7-8, get the SA L&R inputs. These are half normaled to row 1, pts 7&8. Row 3, pts 7-8, get the SA L&R outputs. Row 4, pts 1-8, get the interface inputs 1-8. Pts 7&8 are half normaled to row 3, pts 7&8. The WA output goes to row 1, point 12, and the WA input goes to row 2, point 12, with NO normal, meaning no connection in the patch bay between those two points. So, what have we got? When you put 2bus on your master bus in PT, your signal goes to interface outputs 7&8 which show up at the patch bay. Those are normaled (meaning, normally connected) to the SA inputs. You don't have to patch them; the outputs (top row) are always connected to the inputs (bottom row). If you insert a patch cord in the lower (input) jack of a half-normaled pair, it breaks the connection: the output from above is blocked, the input gets whatever signal is on the other end of the patch. If you plug one end of a patch cord into the upper (output) jack of a half-normaled pair, it acts as a splitter; the output signal goes to both the input jack below, AND to the other end of the patch cable, wherever you plug that in. Back to our example. The SA compresses your 2bus signal, then sends its outputs to row 3, pts 7&8, which are normaled to the interface inputs, row 4, 7&8, thus completing the analog insert and delivering the signal back to PT for further processing. The WA is sitting out there at column 12, waiting to be patched wherever you need it. You could parallel process the kick, for example, by assigning send 1 to interface output 4, patch from row 1, point 4 to row 2, point 12 (the WA input), then running another patch cord from row 1, point 12 (WA output) to row 4, point 2 (interface input 2), which you have assigned to a new track called kickcrush. This is maybe a little odd at first, but think of a patch bay like a waterfall, top row always flows out to bottom row in. Hope this helps you, Chase. Once you 'get it', patchbays are pretty cool and very handy devices. |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Feb 28, 2017 21:56:59 GMT -6
stratboy thanks to you and all the other guys who have been helping me non stop with this 💯🙏 swurvemanmulmany drbill Here is one diagram, with only my line I/o and my HW I/o. ( No mic lines, no pre inputs, no pre outs, no console line in or outs or send & returns, no tape machine inputs or outputs, no reverb or delay fx either, purely HW for mixing) No Normal mixing PatchBay Diagram: A. Line Out 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 B. GTQ2 Ins 1 2 3 SA4k in 4 5 WA76 in - Open - C. GTQ2 Out 9 10 11 sa4k out 12 13 WA76 out 14-16 Open D. Line In 1-8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 Using the diagram above as No normal for mixing ( no preamps) : to use the gtq2 eq as HW insert in PT -> patch A1-A2 ( line out 1-2 ) into B1-B2 ( gtq2 in ) then patch C9-C10 ( gtq2 outs ) into D1-D2( line in 1-2 ) . I then choose HW insert 1-2 in the insert drop down, right click and rename GTQ2 For SA4000 using no normal diagram above : patch A3-A4 ( line out 3-4 ) into B3-B4 ( SA4000 inputs ). Then patch from C11-C12 ( SA4000 outs ) back into D11-D12 ( line in 3-4 ). Then choose i/o insert 3-4 in PT insert I/o drop down and rename SA4000 ( Mixbus processor ) For WA76 using no normal diagram above : Patch from A5 (line out 5 ) into B5 ( WA76 input ). Then insert patch cable into C13 ( WA76 output ) and patch back into D13 ( line input 5 ) To record with GTQ2 pre and WA76 using no normal diagram above : unplug B1 and plug in mic output into GTQ2. Insert patch cable C9 ( GTQ2 ch1 out ) and patch into B5 ( WA76 input ). Then I insert patch cable into C13 ( WA76 out ) and patch into whichever line in I choose say D9 ( line in 1 ) 2nd Proposed Bay Full Normal Diagram with WA76 No normal: no mic pre outs A . Apollo Line Out 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 B. GTQ2 IN 1 2 3 Sa4k In 4 - Open - 8 WA76 in C. GTQ2 outs 9 10 11 Sa4k Out 12 13 14 15 16 WA76 out D. Line in (1-8 ) 9 10 11 12 - Open - 16 ( line 8 in ) To use the GTQ2 EQ As a HW insert from above: I would not patch anything because A1-A2 ( line out 1-2 ) are full normalled to B1-B2 ( GTQ2 inputs ) and and C9-C10 ( GTQ2 Out ) are full normalled to D9-D10 ( line in 1-2 ) then I would choose insert 1-2 in drop down insert I/o menu, then rename GTQ2. To use the SA4000 as a HW insert: A3-A4 ( line out 3-4 ) is full normalled to B3-B4 ( SA4000 inputs ) and C11-C12 (SA4000 outputs ) are full normal to D11-D12 ( line in 3-4 ) So no patching. I would choose insert 3-4 in the insert menu I/o drop down and rename SA4000. Then compress my Mixbus To use the WA76 as a HW insert: (Normal) A8 ( line out 8 ) is full normalled to B8 ( WA76 in ) and C16 ( WA76 output ) is full normalled to D16 ( line in 8 ). Then I would just choose Insert 8 in the insert I/o drop down menu. Then rename WA76 and compress. Using same diagram above To record with GTQ2 Pre and WA76 comp-> I unplug B1 ( GTQ2 ch1 ) and insert mic xlr output into GTQ2 input then switch to no normal. I would then patch C9 ( GTQ2 ch1 out ) into B8 ( WA76 in ) then patch C16 ( WA76 out ) into D9 ( line in 1 ) to record with pre and and comp into PT. ( is this correct I may have confused myself here idk ) I probably will leave the WA76 to no normal because of ease of wanting to track and creativity is key. GTQ2 has one input for mic and line, may ask Geoff how much to add another input.
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Post by swurveman on Mar 1, 2017 14:03:25 GMT -6
The good thing about the 1st proposed patchbay is that, by patching your a/d to and from your hardware, you already have your hardware patch cables set up to use for tracking. So, when you want to track to your hardware from your preamp outs to your hardware and from your hardware out to your converter you just reroute one end of each of your two cables. The input and output patch cable to your hardware stays put.
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Post by c0rtland on Mar 1, 2017 17:32:02 GMT -6
This kind of thing seems so much more complicated when you have to talk about it. Super simple when you can just show someone.
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Post by Ward on Mar 2, 2017 8:07:19 GMT -6
This kind of thing seems so much more complicated when you have to talk about it. Super simple when you can just show someone. So true!! Back 30 year ago, the best thing I did was put an unbalanced 1/4" patchbay in my guitar rig. Allowed me to patch things in and out and taught me a lot of value in using them. And it stuck, and I grew with the principal. |
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