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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 19, 2014 12:01:21 GMT -6
NOT looking forward to it. It confuses Bongo and seems like math.
But if I get it set up right, it sure will save a lot of damn time.
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Post by warren on Jun 19, 2014 12:28:45 GMT -6
Ugh, good luck
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Post by svart on Jun 19, 2014 12:55:01 GMT -6
Patch bays were one of the greatest things I ever did for the studio, besides proper sound control. It's well worth the soldering work.
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Post by bentley on Jun 19, 2014 13:17:46 GMT -6
I still bear psychological damage from previous patchbays...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 19, 2014 13:26:23 GMT -6
Well...maybe I should re-phrase. I'm screwing in a cheap dbx patchbay...No soldering involved. That's enough for me.
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 19, 2014 13:37:08 GMT -6
Just reconfigured my patchbay last night. Not very musical, but one of those necessary evils...
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Post by svart on Jun 19, 2014 13:52:16 GMT -6
I soldered almost 1000 wired in mine..
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Post by Ward on Jun 19, 2014 15:17:22 GMT -6
Patchbays are totally necessary. Improved workflow and accessibility to signal paths are just two small reasons. A pain? Yes.
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Post by unit7 on Jun 20, 2014 2:51:41 GMT -6
I still bear psychological damage from previous patchbays... I soldered mine back in -08 when I got my console. Took two weeks full time. Probably around 3000 joints counting in the other end of the cables. Not looking as beautifully clean as your's but has served well. Saved a lot more time than it took to solder.
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Post by Ward on Jun 20, 2014 7:19:18 GMT -6
Why not just use patchbay units that have DB25 connectors on the back like switchcraft, audio accessories, mamba or custom made by Pro LA Audio?
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Post by unit7 on Jun 20, 2014 7:33:59 GMT -6
Why not just use patchbay units that have DB25 connectors on the back like switchcraft, audio accessories, mamba or custom made by Pro LA Audio? That's what I do, at least on half of my bays (Switchcraft). Very flexible. Still I solder the connectors myself. Got a bunch of multi par Mogami cables cheap, so I'm saving on cables to have more left for outboard
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Post by littlesicily on Jun 20, 2014 10:18:58 GMT -6
Johnkenn I've been using a dbx TRS patchbay for years and have never had any problems with them. SOoooooo much easier workflow...you will love it. Call me if u need help.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 20, 2014 10:34:10 GMT -6
Might have to!
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Post by swurveman on Jun 20, 2014 11:45:38 GMT -6
Why not just use patchbay units that have DB25 connectors on the back like switchcraft, audio accessories, mamba or custom made by Pro LA Audio? That's what I did: Two Redco DB25 D-Sub 96 Point TT Patchbays. I went DSUB/DSub cable outs from my two Aurora's to the Patchbays, where all my DSUB connections to my hardware resides. The best thing is patching for using compression during tracking. The worst is all the cables packed in the rack case. It takes a lot of patience setting everything up. Respect for bentley and all who solder so many connections. Amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 13:55:14 GMT -6
I have a Samson TRS though I haven't finished. It still is a huge help. Building cables has slowed me down.
i also have a Hosa XLR for the front end. Really nice to plug mics in on the front panel and go to the press or direct to an interface if desired.
Hope it goes smoothly for you.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 20, 2014 15:11:00 GMT -6
Good Lord...I'm so confused. I gave up. Will attack it when I get a second brain.
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Post by warren on Jun 20, 2014 16:40:34 GMT -6
Haha yeah I remember setting mine up, full normal/half normal, decided one way then end up changing, then wished I'd kept it the way it was, re-do again haha.
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Post by bentley on Jun 20, 2014 18:23:24 GMT -6
Why not just use patchbay units that have DB25 connectors on the back like switchcraft, audio accessories, mamba or custom made by Pro LA Audio? That's what I did: Two Redco DB25 D-Sub 96 Point TT Patchbays. I went DSUB/DSub cable outs from my two Aurora's to the Patchbays, where all my DSUB connections to my hardware resides. The best thing is patching for using compression during tracking. The worst is all the cables packed in the rack case. It takes a lot of patience setting everything up. Respect for bentley and all who solder so many connections. Amazing. This photo was many moons ago prior to my acquisition of a Redco DB25 bay. I won't go through the hassle of soldering a patchbay ever again. I did solder a several of my DB25 cables though. I'm a glutton for punishment...
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Post by bluesprocket on Jun 21, 2014 7:30:38 GMT -6
Good Lord...I'm so confused. I gave up. Will attack it when I get a second brain. Hey John, do you want to post your setup? Maybe a few of us tech types can lend an option or two. On the other hand, that could be dangerous... But the offer stands.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 21, 2014 9:29:35 GMT -6
Thanks! I will do that when I get home!
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Post by LesC on Jun 21, 2014 12:21:42 GMT -6
Haha yeah I remember setting mine up, full normal/half normal, decided one way then end up changing, then wished I'd kept it the way it was, re-do again haha. I've been using 4 cheapie 48-point TRS patchbays, some of the jacks have started failing. I've sold a lot of my equipment, and consolidated down to one patchbay, and I'm going to replace it this week with a Samson S-patch Plus. It seems to be a bit higher quality, and each position has a 3-way mode switch to switch between full normal/half normal/through modes. I actually really enjoy configuring patch bays. I find it a lot of fun to think of everything I want to do and optimize the equipment configurations in terms of I/O, power distribution, USB connections, default settings for recording vocals, guitars, keyboards, etc. The simpler I can make things, the less chance of a brain-fart during a recording session.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 12:46:22 GMT -6
I've been using 4 cheapie 48-point TRS patchbays, some of the jacks have started failing. I've sold a lot of my equipment, and consolidated down to one patchbay, and I'm going to replace it this week with a Samson S-patch Plus. It seems to be a bit higher quality, and each position has a 3-way mode switch to switch between full normal/half normal/through modes. I actually really enjoy configuring patch bays. I find it a lot of fun to think of everything I want to do and optimize the equipment configurations in terms of I/O, power distribution, USB connections, default settings for recording vocals, guitars, keyboards, etc. The simpler I can make things, the less chance of a brain-fart during a recording session. that Samson is what I have as well. It is a surprisingly good little unit and I don't normally think of that when talking about Samson.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 21, 2014 14:51:08 GMT -6
Ok - so here's what I have.
I have a 500 rack with 4 pres. Then I have 4 mic pres from the Apollo. I have two outboard compressors. I route all of that stuff through the Burl (and then spdif into the Apollo).
So pardon my stupidity - I've only ever hooked up compressors with the patchbay. Do I still have to go mic to mic pre then into the patchbay. Then have the compressors connected and choose them via the front panel? I guess I would also have the Burl connected to the patchbay and go from front of compressor pb to in of burl pb. So - I could connect the outs of the the pres to the pb, but what about the ins? Do I still have to physically hook up mic to mic pres?
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Post by wiz on Jun 21, 2014 16:03:22 GMT -6
I have my patch bay like this John.
Outputs on Top. Inputs on bottom.
I have the first 8 which are MiC PREAMPS ... NORMALLED to my Audio Interface inputs.
then I have all my outboard, these are THRU
Then I have Outputs of my audio interface and ADAT output thingy ADA8000 these are all THRU
This means, if I plug a mic into a preamp its routed directly to the audio interface input.
I insert outboard by plugging patch lead(s) in.
The great thing about the SAMSON patch bay I use, is each Input Output pair is switchable on the front panel, between Normal, Thru AND Half Normalled
cheers
Wiz
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 21, 2014 23:04:57 GMT -6
Ok - so here's what I have. I have a 500 rack with 4 pres. Then I have 4 mic pres from the Apollo. I have two outboard compressors. I route all of that stuff through the Burl (and then spdif into the Apollo). So pardon my stupidity - I've only ever hooked up compressors with the patchbay. Do I still have to go mic to mic pre then into the patchbay. Then have the compressors connected and choose them via the front panel? I guess I would also have the Burl connected to the patchbay and go from front of compressor pb to in of burl pb. So - I could connect the outs of the the pres to the pb, but what about the ins? Do I still have to physically hook up mic to mic pres? Patchbays, for as much of a hassle as they are to set up, are the best thing ever for workflow IMO, most studios have all the rear panel connections of every piece of OBG they own to the patchbay, they also have front facing and (cutting room)wall mounted xlr/line input panels(pic below) hooked into and NORMALIZED(no patch cable needed) to their patchbays so you can plug headphones/Di's/mics into your go to pre(or what ever, no thinking involved), but then the beauty is, if you decide to change the routing, you can simply push a patch cable into the normaled patchbay slot, to lift the normal, and re route it to anywhere you want to go, mult's are also very common and useful. I'm about to embark on yet another patchbay build, this time i'm going with color coded/numbered banks of 8, and everything will terminate to D-sub25 connectors, this way if(when 8) i change my mind on something, or want to move things, i can just disconnect the D-subs, and i won't have to rewire the shit out of stuff.....again, i will normalize most of the connections, so i won't have to patch or think too much. This will be the 5th and last time i do this... till the next time Attachment DeletedAttachment Deletedbtw, TT patch cables were self made with shielded mogami and shrink wrap, i got this pair of patchbays/tt ends from the telephone room at the Mcdonald Douglas factory in Marina Del Rey Ca when we were building the Batman set in 1994(Jack Nicholson version), they were free.
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