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Post by chessparov on May 21, 2023 17:56:30 GMT -6
I've communicated with Mark ("MYN") more than once. Believe it or not IMHO he's genuinely upset. And I believe has a good heart. But... If it were me, I'd definitely run this by David Bock first, before being "this Public" about it. Maybe Mark N. did this, realistically I doubt it though. 40+ years ago, when I worked in a Home Loan division, I spoke to a couple of co-workers at our office... About a famous Sportscaster, being behind on his payments. He had just walked in and I couldn't see him. He heard me!! (I was lucky they didn't can my a**!) Very nice man BTW. Learned my lesson that less is more sometimes. Chris P.S. AFAIK Mark has/is doing well $$ in VO already BTW. I think that Channel is primarily a "communication" Channel, for what he's personally interested in. Maybe what I'm hearing is just a voice actor being a bit dramatic which I could understand if that's what you do for a living it may be hard to turn off. Having said that though, unless he knows David personally and David asked him to do this, this just feels really wrong to air out a private medical matter like this. That's a hilarious story about the Sportscaster haha...glad you made it through that one 🤣 Thanks! Also huge +1 on the "medical matter" aspect. Chris |
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Post by ab101 on May 21, 2023 20:30:31 GMT -6
Has anyone been in touch with David Bock? I think I will try emailing him. I spent 2 days with David at NAMM. We are very good friends. I will just say that David is going through a lot right now and really I am sure he could just use some peace.
He will resurface soon enough when he feels like he has the energy with new products and helpful advice on forums.
He is really a terrific guy.
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Post by ericn on May 21, 2023 20:34:30 GMT -6
Tim send Dave are warmest regards and an invite him to join us if and when he decides to rejoin the world of audio. I would love to see David here as well! i'm afraid we might badger him to death, even if we didn't rudely eat him alive like they would at the space.  I think by the standards of the larger audio boards we are far kinder and gentler, besides I’m pretty sure if Dave did decide to join us for his re- entry to the audio internet our fearless leader would be protective. |
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Post by christopher on May 21, 2023 22:45:11 GMT -6
Whether they bought him out and did a severance deal or in the original contract, I would guess that included a Non-Disclosure Agreement and non disparagement clause so David wouldn't be able to tell whatever his story is I would guess. When I met Steve Jobs and worked for him, the NDA was 7 years. So I couldn’t put it on my resume. I couldn’t tell anyone. It was like it never happened. It’s been over 20 years and I’m still not gonna tell what I saw, at least not on the internet. And if I told anyone what I saw, no one would believe me anyway (don’t worry: it wasn’t drugs or sex) |
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Post by ericn on May 22, 2023 5:55:52 GMT -6
Whether they bought him out and did a severance deal or in the original contract, I would guess that included a Non-Disclosure Agreement and non disparagement clause so David wouldn't be able to tell whatever his story is I would guess. When I met Steve Jobs and worked for him, the NDA was 7 years. So I couldn’t put it on my resume. I couldn’t tell anyone. It was like it never happened. It’s been over 20 years and I’m still not gonna tell what I saw, at least not on the internet. And if I told anyone what I saw, no one would believe me anyway (don’t worry: it wasn’t drugs or sex) So it was all sex and drugs😁 Yes the corporate world is all about NDA’s, and they are all different. |
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Post by chessparov on May 22, 2023 8:33:58 GMT -6
Come on. We KNOW it was probably Alien Technology. A couple of years ago I worked secretly for Elon Musk! (They forgot to have me sign an NDA ) I helped design that latest rocket. As a reward bonus I received a.... Constellation Prize, a lifetime supply of Orbit gum! Chris |
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Post by Ward on May 22, 2023 10:24:56 GMT -6
Come on. We KNOW it was probably Alien Technology. A couple of years ago I worked secretly for Elon Musk! (They forgot to have me sign an NDA ) I helped design that latest rocket. As a reward bonus I received a.... Constellation Prize, a lifetime supply of Orbit gum! Chris GRRROOOOAAANNNN |
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Post by drumsound on May 22, 2023 10:39:36 GMT -6
Has anyone considered that even if he was fired on the day he wife went into care, it was purely coincidental?
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Post by Ward on May 22, 2023 10:51:47 GMT -6
Has anyone considered that even if he was fired on the day he wife went into care, it was purely coincidental? An interesting point. Wouldn't it have been more dignified for all if UA had JOINTLY announced that DB was going on hiatus, walkabout, sabbatical or taking a leave to deal with personal matters? |
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Post by drumsound on May 22, 2023 10:53:46 GMT -6
Has anyone considered that even if he was fired on the day he wife went into care, it was purely coincidental? An interesting point. Wouldn't it have been more dignified for all if UA had JOINTLY announced that DB was going on hiatus, walkabout, sabbatical or taking a leave to deal with personal matters? Sure. If they knew he was personal matters to deal with. |
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Post by donr on May 22, 2023 10:58:33 GMT -6
Can I see a link to the youtube vid discussed, I can't find it.
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Post by Ward on May 22, 2023 11:11:19 GMT -6
An interesting point. Wouldn't it have been more dignified for all if UA had JOINTLY announced that DB was going on hiatus, walkabout, sabbatical or taking a leave to deal with personal matters? Sure. If they knew he was personal matters to deal with. "if"? I would wager they did know. But stranger things have happened. |
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Post by Quint on May 22, 2023 11:40:26 GMT -6
Has anyone considered that even if he was fired on the day he wife went into care, it was purely coincidental? Exactly my thoughts. |
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Post by drumsound on May 22, 2023 11:58:17 GMT -6
Sure. If they knew he was personal matters to deal with. "if"? I would wager they did know. But stranger things have happened. I do not know Mr Bock. He may be a private man who doesn't bring personal things to work. There are a lot of things that could be plausible. Has anyone considered that even if he was fired on the day he wife went into care, it was purely coincidental? Exactly my thoughts. UA is a corporate machine. With so many moving parts it's really hard for people to know what's happening outside the building. |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 22, 2023 12:02:43 GMT -6
After the Rich Williams UA departure, did anyone really think David was a long term ua thing, I sure didn’t.
I thought maybe 3-5 years, to affect transition, product launch, etc., then gone.
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Post by Quint on May 22, 2023 12:09:10 GMT -6
"if"? I would wager they did know. But stranger things have happened. I do not know Mr Bock. He may be a private man who doesn't bring personal things to work. There are a lot of things that could be plausible. UA is a corporate machine. With so many moving parts it's really hard for people to know what's happening outside the building. And forgetting for a moment about whatever went into the business decision to part ways with David Bock, what was UA going to do if/when they were made aware of his wife's situation, assuming that they were ever even aware at all? Just continue employing him, and everyone else associated with Bock that they also let go, indefinitely? Even if that meant that it put the company in danger of becoming insolvent, at which point the employment of EVERYONE at the company is at risk? Like it or not, something seems to have changed on a momentous level, as it pertains to the acquisition of Bock. The world is a different place now than just a few years ago when Bock was acquired, so even the best laid plans had to change, apparently. UA may have had to tighten their belt for the overall health of the company, as a result. None of us really know what transpired, but things apparently changed on a pretty big level, and some hard decisions had to be made. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. UA has pissed me off about plenty of things before, but this isn't going to be one of those things, especially considering that everything about this is pure conjecture anyway. |
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Post by Quint on May 22, 2023 12:09:52 GMT -6
After the Rich Williams UA departure, did anyone really think David was a long term ua thing, I sure didn’t. I thought maybe 3-5 years, to affect transition, product launch, etc., then gone. I kind of had wondered about this myself. UA registered the trademark for Bock nearly three years ago, which means that they already had a deal before that. The clock for the transition was probably already winding down anyway, regardless of whatever market disruption may have happened since the acquisition. |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 22, 2023 14:05:47 GMT -6
Unless, UA gave Dave free reign to run his shop under UA’s wing, which seems unlikely, I felt the departure clock was ticking from day one: unless, David, really wanted to operate within a preexisting business structure, with its own priorities, which would likely never be solely his microphones and their needs.
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Post by ericn on May 22, 2023 15:28:05 GMT -6
Unless, UA gave Dave free reign to run his shop under UA’s wing, which seems unlikely, I felt the departure clock was ticking from day one: unless, David, really wanted to operate within a preexisting business structure, with its own priorities, which would likely never be solely his microphones and their needs. Let’s not forget the fact that Dave knew to an extent what he was getting into with UA after his relationship with Soundelux. |
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Post by robschnapf on May 22, 2023 16:25:33 GMT -6
Well you don’t move somebody 500 miles and make them work on the campus and say He knew it was only a matter of time.
Dave upended his life here in L.A. to go work Bock/UA.
It was another psychopathic corporate maneuver.
There are no excuses for this kind of behavior.
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Post by phantom on May 22, 2023 17:14:35 GMT -6
Well you don’t move somebody 500 miles and make them work on the campus and say He knew it was only a matter of time. Dave upended his life here in L.A. to go work Bock/UA. It was another psychopathic corporate maneuver. There are no excuses for this kind of behavior. Yeah, some people here are crazy for thinking that this was all planned by David and UA together. There's no doubt, even said by David's own word, that he was surprised to say the least. They cut David's presence on the company short, and at a difficult personal time for the man. |
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Post by robschnapf on May 22, 2023 17:21:21 GMT -6
Truly lacking humanity.
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Post by ericn on May 22, 2023 17:43:00 GMT -6
Well you don’t move somebody 500 miles and make them work on the campus and say He knew it was only a matter of time. Dave upended his life here in L.A. to go work Bock/UA. It was another psychopathic corporate maneuver. There are no excuses for this kind of behavior. Yeah, some people here are crazy for thinking that this was all planned by David and UA together. There's no doubt, even said by David's own word, that he was surprised to say the least. They cut David's presence on the company short, and at a difficult personal time for the man. I don’t think anyone is saying this was planned out, it’s more of we have all seen this movie so many times before that we find it hard to believe that Dave didn’t realize this had a pretty good chance of being how things played out. Anyone who has been around the audio industry for any length of time can pretty much list off the number of times this has happened. |
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Post by mics on May 22, 2023 18:05:43 GMT -6
David’s a fighter. He’ll be back. If you are reading this Dave; I have come up with a great name for your next venture!
“dB”. I can see it now!
(Q) How many dB does your mic have?
(A) “Just one! Let’s face it; that’s all you really need”
We’re here to help you Dave!
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on May 22, 2023 20:57:18 GMT -6
Well you don’t move somebody 500 miles and make them work on the campus and say He knew it was only a matter of time. Dave upended his life here in L.A. to go work Bock/UA. It was another psychopathic corporate maneuver. There are no excuses for this kind of behavior. Yeah, some people here are crazy for thinking that this was all planned by David and UA together. There's no doubt, even said by David's own word, that he was surprised to say the least. They cut David's presence on the company short, and at a difficult personal time for the man. This. It will influence my decisions regarding the purchase of UA gear going forward. I think don't think I've had any UA gear since the blackfaces anyway. |
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