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Post by notneeson on Jan 23, 2023 11:53:42 GMT -6
Not sure what to tell you guys. It works every time for me. Try this instead: Go to cbsnews.com, click on the search magnifying glass in the top menu bar, and then type "Rick" in the search dialog box. You should get several links to the interview. Have you rebooted and defragged? (Just kidding). |
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Post by Ward on Jan 23, 2023 14:57:02 GMT -6
Cleaned up some politics. Good. Sick to death of the politics in our field. Thank you for focusing the topic. |
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Post by ericn on Jan 23, 2023 15:46:55 GMT -6
Not sure what to tell you guys. It works every time for me. Try this instead: Go to cbsnews.com, click on the search magnifying glass in the top menu bar, and then type "Rick" in the search dialog box. You should get several links to the interview. You could also google "Rick Rubin 60 Minutes interview on CBS." That would require work! |
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Post by ericn on Jan 23, 2023 15:48:02 GMT -6
Cleaned up some politics. Good. Sick to death of the politics in our field. Thank you for focusing the topic. As hard as it was to not make some kind of political comment in the RIP David Crosby thread 😎 |
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Post by sirthought on Jan 23, 2023 22:45:42 GMT -6
I've watched some YouTube videos with the Beastie Boys going into certain details about their early career. They seem to really lay out that Rubin was pushing them in certain ways that allowed them to grow and explore in ways where positive things happened. And he knew how to use the drum machines and certain gear for making early hip hop production (for whatever that's worth) sound way better than what they knew at the time, which was basically nothing.
I understand one of the engineers he brought in for some of that stuff was Andrew Scheps, who has made remarks about Rubin wanting very specific things.
And can we imagine hip hop growing like it did without Run DMC doing Walk This Way? That was all Rubin making them record it. The group had never heard the song and weren't confident that it would be a good move for them.
I am not such a fan of RHCP Blood Sugar Sex Magik, but I know he produced that and it seems to be their best-known work. I did read that he also produced one of their latest albums and band members weren't so pleased with his input on songwriting.
I think a producer should be more focused on quality of the songs and arrangements, rather that how to technically track things. I've read similar things about working with T-Bone Burnet as a producer. He's pushing buttons more on getting the artists' performance and arrangements on a good course.
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Post by linas on Jan 24, 2023 7:18:57 GMT -6
Is it only 13 minutes long?
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Post by drumsound on Jan 24, 2023 11:53:59 GMT -6
Is it only 13 minutes long? Yes, it's one segment of a 60 News Magazine show. |
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Post by linas on Jan 24, 2023 13:56:54 GMT -6
Is it only 13 minutes long? Yes, it's one segment of a 60 News Magazine show. Oh okay, thanks. I wasn't familiar with that show. |
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Post by geoff738 on Jan 24, 2023 18:29:36 GMT -6
I finally watched. I like the guy. I don’t like all the records he’s made. But I can see why artists want to work with him.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by notneeson on Jan 24, 2023 20:11:04 GMT -6
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 25, 2023 0:33:15 GMT -6
There are some really good episodes I’ve listened to from that podcast. I really liked his interview with Kevin Parker (Tame Impala). I think he also did one with Lucinda Williams, if I’m not mistaken. |
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Post by notneeson on Jan 25, 2023 8:54:45 GMT -6
There are some really good episodes I’ve listened to from that podcast. I really liked his interview with Kevin Parker (Tame Impala). I think he also did one with Lucinda Williams, if I’m not mistaken. Oh rad, I didn’t know about the Kevin Parker one. He’s amazing. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 25, 2023 12:45:38 GMT -6
We literally didn't know anything about recording at Motown but solving whatever problems came up while we were in our early 20s put us way ahead of the major labels. I didn't even realize it until after I'd moved to San Francisco.
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Post by ericn on Jan 25, 2023 13:16:12 GMT -6
I think Rubin's lack of technical acumen (at least these days) is a massive edge. Going down the rabbit hole of every detail with respect to making something can work but, in most cases, it probably obscures the impulse that got someone to go down that path in the first place. And that impulse, in this case, is compelling music. When you're a kid, you just do things. Then you get praised, you associate your ego and well-being with being good at this or that, it becomes a game of self-preservation and all of a sudden, you've lost the thing that got you through the door in the first place because a whole host of bullshit has entered the equation. Particularly "knowledge" and so-called technical acumen. This is why music is one of the few domains where a 13-year old will always have the capability to outdo a 50-60 year old through the sheer force of their vision. I'm not advocating against learning or experience of course. But the anxious striving, the hard-on people have for perspiration and "effort" when the reality is that results are all that matter...Most of the time, you know what to do but you don't trust yourself enough to get there. And that's where someone like Rick Rubin can help. Also, I would not sleep on meditation, despite how cringe some people can seem. I've seen that the ones who benefit most from such things are initially most resistant to it. It is a time-proven practice that is older than most civilizations so it's sad that it's often associated with a certain type of person (as I often read everywhere). I think most of us have worked with non technical producers without problems, the thing with the Rick Rubin approach is the hands off approach. Every one of us who has worked for hire has been in a situation where all of a sudden something as simple as a guitarist noodling around will suddenly completely change the direction of a track, if the producer isn’t there it falls on the AE to decide or try to influence the band what direction they should take. Time is money and if the producer listens to things 3 days later and as the producer says the chosen path is wrong that’s time wasted and can completely demoralize a band. If the lead singer and drummer are about to have their hands on each others throats in the lounge while I’m tracking bass I need the producer to step in, not just to keep things moving but the producer has a role of authority I the AE am just a hired gun. |
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Post by EmRR on Jan 25, 2023 15:47:12 GMT -6
At the same time, he is an audiophile and has pretty specific sonic likes and dislikes. Way back there was a whole thing about the way he'd have you repatch within a vintage Neve to avoid use of the full console.
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Post by spindrift on Jan 26, 2023 7:00:09 GMT -6
And then there’s the polar opposite: Take a guy like Lanois…a musical force who is technical and musical and definitely can’t be described as “hands off”! This is a guy who snatched Dylan’s guitar and smashed it over a monitor and seethed at him “I’m sick of your bullshit!” while recording “Oh Mercy”. In session, he will throw your cellphone across the room and tell you we are here to make music. He locked Peter Gabriel in his own barn and forced him to finish the lyrics to some of the songs on “So”. He is not there to f*ck around and while very unorthodox, he has an incredible and undeniable track record.
I don’t know about you but I’d much rather listen to ANYTHING produced by Dan Lanois than something produced by Rubin.
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Post by nick8801 on Jan 26, 2023 7:37:59 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Jan 26, 2023 8:30:24 GMT -6
That's a fantastic counterpoint. Thanks! |
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Post by spindrift on Jan 26, 2023 9:11:52 GMT -6
Is there a non-tiktok source for the linked video?
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Post by Ward on Jan 26, 2023 9:43:26 GMT -6
Is there a non-tiktok source for the linked video? I don't have Tiktok or any other weird software, and it worked for me just by clicking on it. |
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Post by nick8801 on Jan 26, 2023 10:08:07 GMT -6
Yeah you should be able to just view it. I don't use tiktok either.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 27, 2023 18:18:27 GMT -6
And then there’s the polar opposite: Take a guy like Lanois…a musical force who is technical and musical and definitely can’t be described as “hands off”! This is a guy who snatched Dylan’s guitar and smashed it over a monitor and yelled at him “I’m sick of your bullshit!” while recording “Oh Mercy”. In session, he will throw your cellphone across the room and tell you we are here to make music. He locked Peter Gabriel in his own barn and forced him to finish the lyrics to some of the songs on “So”. He is not there to f*ck around and while very unorthodox, he has an incredible and undeniable track record. I don’t know about you but I’d much rather listen to ANYTHING produced by Dan Lanois than something produced by Rubin. I remember reading an interview with Bono where he said, “the thing about making a record with Daniel Lanois is that the album is going to be great, or somebody is going to die.” |
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Post by reddirt on Jan 27, 2023 18:35:18 GMT -6
And then there’s the polar opposite: Take a guy like Lanois…a musical force who is technical and musical and definitely can’t be described as “hands off”! This is a guy who snatched Dylan’s guitar and smashed it over a monitor and yelled at him “I’m sick of your bullshit!” while recording “Oh Mercy”. In session, he will throw your cellphone across the room and tell you we are here to make music. He locked Peter Gabriel in his own barn and forced him to finish the lyrics to some of the songs on “So”. He is not there to f*ck around and while very unorthodox, he has an incredible and undeniable track record. I don’t know about you but I’d much rather listen to ANYTHING produced by Dan Lanois than something produced by Rubin. I remember reading an interview with Bono where he said, “the thing about making a record with Daniel Lanois is that the album is going to be great, or somebody is going to die.” I'll second that about Lanois, he obviously plays a lot of instrumental parts and his stamp is all over stuff but he's really rewarding to listen to. e.g. Emmylou's "Wrecking Ball". Cheers, Ross |
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 27, 2023 23:45:21 GMT -6
I remember reading an interview with Bono where he said, “the thing about making a record with Daniel Lanois is that the album is going to be great, or somebody is going to die.” I'll second that about Lanois, he obviously plays a lot of instrumental parts and his stamp is all over stuff but he's really rewarding to listen to. e.g. Emmylou's "Wrecking Ball". Cheers, Ross That’s one of my favorite albums ever. |
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Post by Quint on Jan 28, 2023 9:23:15 GMT -6
Willie's Teatro. That's my favorite Lanois produced album ever.
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