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Post by christopher on Dec 28, 2022 11:12:36 GMT -6
Ever see interviews with Andy Johns? That guy put up SM57’s same as we do, one mic at a time.
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Post by theglow on Dec 28, 2022 11:13:40 GMT -6
AEA R84 has been doing it for me lately.
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Post by gwlee7 on Dec 28, 2022 11:24:32 GMT -6
Beyer m201. Fantastic dynamic on lots of sources, like an sm57 except good lol. Like an m88 it’s hard to make it sound bad, but it has its own sound. Works great on snare too. I have one of these too. I love Beyer mics. |
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Post by carymiller on Dec 28, 2022 11:34:11 GMT -6
I’ve yet to find a better guitar sound than an AEA R92. I pair mine with the humble SM57 and the pair are a wonderful match for each other. I use my R92 with the AEA RPQ 500 pre. When it’s not on a cab, it’s great for percussion and male vocals. Really, really cool mic. Always wanted to try the AEA stuff. The Shure KSM353 is made to take high SPL, so I know it won't break...do you worry about the ribbon strength on your AEA R92s? |
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 28, 2022 11:52:48 GMT -6
I’ve yet to find a better guitar sound than an AEA R92. I pair mine with the humble SM57 and the pair are a wonderful match for each other. I use my R92 with the AEA RPQ 500 pre. When it’s not on a cab, it’s great for percussion and male vocals. Really, really cool mic. Always wanted to try the AEA stuff. The Shure KSM353 is made to take high SPL, so I know it won't break...do you worry about the ribbon strength on your AEA R92s? Check the AEA site for exact specs, the R92's can take a lot of SPL! But like all ribbons you have to avoid any direct blast of air like a inside a kick drum! I have mine 1" from a Tone King 1x12 cab at gig volume levels - sounds great! The great thing about the R92 is, unlike for example the R84 (another amazing AEA mic) it's been designed for close micing with a greatly reduced proximity effect by design. It also has a bright side and a dark side you can experiment with to find the best match to the cab, amp and style of playing. I often use mine on the dark side especially if I'm blending it with the 57. The bright side makes for a really fab male vocal mic as well. |
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 28, 2022 11:59:40 GMT -6
I know, I'm pretty unfashionable and old school when it comes to a 57 - it sounds great to my ears, I pass over a lot of mics to put up the humble 57 :-) But given the choice, I do favour a ribbon and dynamic blended as it's the best of both worlds. That's what I love about this place, we can agree to disagree and be both friendlier plus better off for it.
You know, I do think I am a bit too harsh on that mic. I just listened to a 20 mic on cab comparison and some of them didn't do too well in its presence. You forget these things, I sold my SM57's off years back when I personally found something better. I can see why it's still a staple though..
In terms of ribbons what about the Beyer M160?
P.S I am listening to all the advice on here, that's a lot of mic's to go through though.  .. The M160 is yet another classic ribbon (short ribbon) and I think they sound very good with their own signature sound, I prefer the AEA signature but the M160 is a classic for a reason. A long while back, when a dealer was blowing our SE Electronics SE-1 ribbon mics for the price of a curry and a couple of beers I bought one and when paired with a Cloudlifter and mic pre of choice it sounded pretty darn good on a guitar cab (surprising considering it's cost) - I remember reading Warren Dent from ZenPro going on about how they were a sleeper ribbon on guitar cabs and a genuine bargain - it's really well made and worth trying if you see one going cheap - you just might like it.
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Post by smashlord on Dec 28, 2022 13:35:39 GMT -6
Closed back- M201 is really nice. Has more low mids and air in the areas where I would typically EQ a 57. KSM32s are also a cool alternative.
Open back- R92, R84, R44
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Post by phdamage on Dec 28, 2022 17:05:34 GMT -6
Legit confused by the PR30 love. My old studio partner had tons of Heil mics and that one I never got along with. I found the PR40 cool on kick in some situations but that was kinda it. pR30s felt kinda boring to me. No bite and no weight - it’s like the worst things about a ribbon and a dynamic in one mic!
I have also been curious about N22s but I always figured the bright ribbons were covered between my beyers, stager and oktavamod rsm5s. Is it really it’s own animal?
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Post by EmRR on Dec 28, 2022 18:26:59 GMT -6
Mostly one ribbon here, occasionally add an RE-16 or 666. Sometimes a shotgun across the room. the Lauten LS-308 is good for that too. I should put the 421 on a cab again, been awhile. Pretty much never an LDC unless it's a clean jazzish thing, still usually like a ribbon more.
I think it was all the SS Marshalls the punk kids owned in the mid-90's that made me hate 57's on cabs. I just can't do it!
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Post by carymiller on Dec 28, 2022 18:33:20 GMT -6
There's not enough fidelity to properly bite IMO, slap up an MD421 and it digs whilst giving a sense of clarity. It's all personal of course and if the aim is Machine Head with a 5150 or something then a 57 comes in handy but I'd still pair it with something else (just in case).
I can happily use an MD421 without another mic, probably a bit bright for a Marshall though.
Buy another one? That is definitely an option. I'm just seeing if there's anything else besides the MD421 / M88 that can give a sense of definition whilst generally sounding good..
Appreciate all the input so far.
I know, I'm pretty unfashionable and old school when it comes to a 57 - it sounds great to my ears, I pass over a lot of mics to put up the humble 57 :-) I was admiring Dave Gilmour's "On an Island" album (made with an unlimited budget!) I found a SOS article about the making of it and I wasn't surprised to read the guitar sound was captured with a 57 and a bit of Coles blended in (they should of used an R92 :-) Don't get me wrong, the M88 is fab too, as is a 67,87 and a whole slew of other dynamics .... just not as fab as a 57 .... to my old ears :-) But given the choice, I do favour a ribbon and dynamic blended as it's the best of both worlds. Nothing wrong with a 57. I've used them my whole life. But a Heilsound PR30...man...it's like more of that. A 57 on steroids. If you were close by, I'd loan you one to try. |
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Post by drumsound on Dec 28, 2022 21:01:37 GMT -6
Dave Gilmore sticks a Sony 800G on his guitar combo!! It's good to be David Gilmore That M88 is gonna be hard to beat. Set and forget. truth Beyer m201. Fantastic dynamic on lots of sources, like an sm57 except good lol. Like an m88 it’s hard to make it sound bad, but it has its own sound. Works great on snare too. To quote the Electrical Audio website "M201 is what an SM57 would sound like if it was a microphone. ____ I do used M88s often on guitar cabs, clean and dirty. I've been recording basics with 2 mics to 2 tracks and panned a lot in the last few year. It's a good way to have L/R guitars without the time and effort of doubles. Not that I won't do doubles, or if I started with 2 mics, I'll also do doubles with 2 mics... So, it's usually an M88 and something else. In the last few months it's been a dynamic and a Gefel M295 about 12" back. I kind of like adding low in the mix a little better than up on the cab/proximity. I've used all kinds of things on amps, and usually don't like condensers too close to the grill, unless its clean and not very loud. For tones like that I like my 70s U87 a lot. If I need bite an M201 or AKG D1000e gets used. I like the M201 on hats, so on basics it's gonna be a the AKG. |
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Post by christopher on Dec 28, 2022 21:24:21 GMT -6
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Post by carymiller on Dec 28, 2022 21:32:05 GMT -6
Legit confused by the PR30 love. My old studio partner had tons of Heil mics and that one I never got along with. I found the PR40 cool on kick in some situations but that was kinda it. pR30s felt kinda boring to me. No bite and no weight - it’s like the worst things about a ribbon and a dynamic in one mic! I have also been curious about N22s but I always figured the bright ribbons were covered between my beyers, stager and oktavamod rsm5s. Is it really it’s own animal? What preamps did you pair it with? The PR30 loves designs with transformers. |
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Post by phdamage on Dec 28, 2022 22:01:21 GMT -6
Legit confused by the PR30 love. My old studio partner had tons of Heil mics and that one I never got along with. I found the PR40 cool on kick in some situations but that was kinda it. pR30s felt kinda boring to me. No bite and no weight - it’s like the worst things about a ribbon and a dynamic in one mic! I have also been curious about N22s but I always figured the bright ribbons were covered between my beyers, stager and oktavamod rsm5s. Is it really it’s own animal? What preamps did you pair it with? The PR30 loves designs with transformers. It has been a while but mostly used it with pres with transformers - chandler germ and TG2 or UA 610 or 2108. Maybe it’s worth another shot, though I certainly don’t need more mics these days. My monitoring is a lot better these days, so maybe I was missing something? I just never got along with them |
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Post by carymiller on Dec 28, 2022 22:15:02 GMT -6
What preamps did you pair it with? The PR30 loves designs with transformers. It has been a while but mostly used it with pres with transformers - chandler germ and TG2 or UA 610 or 2108. Maybe it’s worth another shot, though I certainly don’t need more mics these days. My monitoring is a lot better these days, so maybe I was missing something? I just never got along with them Big fan of the Germ Pre for guitars! it just might not be your thing. PR30's have more top end than a 57, so some people might not dig that out of the gate. Also, I prefer the PR30 or even a 57 off axis on a cab to tame that top end a bit, and to fill things out in terms of a 3D sense of space while I use both a condenser and a ribbon, both in figure 8 straight on the cab. I love the PR30 though, and it was pretty immediate for me that it was something I dug. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2022 0:45:14 GMT -6
Here's an obligatory Ola vid with a single SM57 on the same amp / cab combo I use. I like it to be fair but I'll post some clips with the MD421 at some point..
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 29, 2022 1:10:39 GMT -6
I almost hate to say it because I don't have one, but I really liked the Soyuz 0-13 FET SDC on my guitar cab. I never tried it on a really high power amp like a Marshall 100 though. It handled a 30 W. amp just fine. That mic just got everything you gave it without adding harshness or nasally mids.
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 29, 2022 2:53:59 GMT -6
Dave Gilmore sticks a Sony 800G on his guitar combo!! It's good to be David Gilmore . David G is no engineer, when he records his demos at home he records his vocals with an 800G then sticks the same mic on his guitar cab. When his engineers record him on his famous house boat studio for the actual Floyd and solo records they use the ubiquitous SM57 (and a Cole’s ribbon I personally prefer the R92 to the Cole’s but oddly I don’t prefer my M88 to my SM57 - for rock n roll guitar I like a bit more nose in the mix. SDC are really cool too - IIRC Lyndsey Buckingham recorded his cab with an AKG 451 at times - though that sounds to me it must be very bright in tone - I have a vintage 451 …. I must try it. |
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Post by forgotteng on Dec 30, 2022 22:45:44 GMT -6
I'm a big fan of the PR30. Been using it on guitar cabs for years. One time I got cool results on a combination of Heil PR30 and Audio-Technica ATM-450. They complimented each other quite well. In the new surprise category. I put a new EV ND46 on a Laney 20watt tube amp a couple of weeks ago and it sounded great. Hmmmn.....
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Post by drumsound on Dec 31, 2022 10:37:51 GMT -6
I'm a big fan of the PR30. Been using it on guitar cabs for years. One time I got cool results on a combination of Heil PR30 and Audio-Technica ATM-450. They complimented each other quite well. In the new surprise category. I put a new EV ND46 on a Laney 20watt tube amp a couple of weeks ago and it sounded great. Hmmmn..... I'm not surprised about the ND46. The old 408 and 468 sound great on guitars. The neodymium is light, and transients don't get crushed. |
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Post by EmRR on Dec 31, 2022 10:50:44 GMT -6
I really need to try my Audio D3 on cab again. It's fast and clear without being harsh, downs in many places is they can sound thin more often than not. Might really win with a ribbon combo. Occasionally they really win something, most recently Leslie top.
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Post by Quint on Dec 31, 2022 10:58:24 GMT -6
With the AEAs currently on sale (ends today), I was thinking of picking up a pair, but I can't make my mind up on which ones. There are multiple models (KU5A, N8, N22, R84, R92) that I'm interested in owning. All of this talk about micing amps has again gotten me interested in picking up a pair of nice ribbons for that job, though I'd definitely use them elsewhere, as needed.
I like the idea of the KU5A, but those are in direct competition with the M160, and the Beyers are proven workhorses and cheaper, so I could also just get a pair of M160s and be done with it. All of the rest are figure 8s, but I like and think figure 8 mics are useful too.
Decisions, decisions...
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Post by carymiller on Dec 31, 2022 11:02:03 GMT -6
With the AEAs currently on sale (ends today), I was thinking of picking up a pair, but I can't make my mind up on which ones. There are multiple models (KU5A, N8, N22, R84, R92) that I'm interested in owning. All of this talk about micing amps has again gotten me interested in picking up a pair of nice ribbons for that job, though I'd definitely use them elsewhere, as needed. I like the idea of the KU5A, but those are in direct competition with the M160, and the Beyers are proven workhorses and cheaper, so I could also just get a pair of M160s and be done with it. All of the rest are figure 8s, but I like and think figure 8 mics are useful too. Decisions, decisions... You could also get a pair of Shure KSM313's...they're indestructible. I know Greenday even uses them LIVE on their cabs. |
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Post by theshea on Dec 31, 2022 11:16:47 GMT -6
for LDC i find the violet design amethyst vintage always delivers a detailed and classy sound. i think its a overlooked mic, its fantastic. u67 like, no nerving frequencies.
i am a one mic guy too but if i need/want a second mic, a darker ribbon gets used.
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Post by sparkey on Jun 12, 2023 21:10:01 GMT -6
I just used a single Soyuz mic 023 bomblet on my matchless through an undertone audio mpeq-1 mic pre. Sounded wonderful.
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