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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 6, 2022 16:54:47 GMT -6
Hey guys, I'm thinking on upgrading my mac mini. The M1 chip seems to be about 2 year old technology. Any word on whether Apple intends to roll out something better in the near future? I'd hate to drop 1500 bucks on something and two weeks later they roll out a faster option for the same price. Any input would be appreciated.
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Post by ericn on Dec 6, 2022 17:29:28 GMT -6
Herbie, you know Murphys first rule of mac's no matter how much you plan a new version will either be announced or drop within 2 weeks of purchase!
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Post by reddirt on Dec 6, 2022 19:39:46 GMT -6
Hey Cowboy, they've been speculating on a mac mini "pro" for some time now ; not sure myself as it would take sales away from their "Studio" but would be cool especially if they upped the connectivity and used the M2 chip with 24 gigs of ram ability as in the new-ish Macbook Air .
I also reckon with new models price will be increased as their costa have gone up.
if you've all the peripherals already then the base model studio is a pretty good deal and not likely to be slow for most of us - 32 gigs ram, M1 max chip, 512 Gig SSD and great connectivity.
Haven't helped you much but as you can tell I'm on that fence also.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 6, 2022 19:44:51 GMT -6
There is leaked m2 bench test data. I think Production Expert had an article a week ago.
Performance increase was not as large as expected.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 6, 2022 19:46:07 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 6, 2022 21:51:51 GMT -6
Hey guys, I'm thinking on upgrading my mac mini. The M1 chip seems to be about 2 year old technology. Any word on whether Apple intends to roll out something better in the near future? I'd hate to drop 1500 bucks on something and two weeks later they roll out a faster option for the same price. Any input would be appreciated. Cowboy’s back! I got the Mac Studio and I can’t imagine a situation where I’m gonna max this thing out. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 6, 2022 22:42:09 GMT -6
Hey guys, I'm thinking on upgrading my mac mini. The M1 chip seems to be about 2 year old technology. Any word on whether Apple intends to roll out something better in the near future? I'd hate to drop 1500 bucks on something and two weeks later they roll out a faster option for the same price. Any input would be appreciated. Cowboy’s back! I got the Mac Studio and I can’t imagine a situation where I’m gonna max this thing out. John that is the definition of last words😁 |
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Post by Mister Chase on Dec 6, 2022 23:16:32 GMT -6
Enjoy my mini M1 here for the last 1.5 years but it was never up to the task of full modern sessions that come in totally dry tracked and they want the full pop radio treatment. If I make some mula with more mixing I'll definitely get a pimped out studio for reasons like JohnKenn mentions. Great little computer though and if you aren't doing big sessions it'll probably be fine.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 6, 2022 23:46:11 GMT -6
Cowboy’s back! I got the Mac Studio and I can’t imagine a situation where I’m gonna max this thing out. John that is the definition of last words😁 Jinxed the shit out of that, huh? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2022 1:38:23 GMT -6
Enjoy my mini M1 here for the last 1.5 years but it was never up to the task of full modern sessions that come in totally dry tracked and they want the full pop radio treatment. If I make some mula with more mixing I'll definitely get a pimped out studio for reasons like JohnKenn mentions. Great little computer though and if you aren't doing big sessions it'll probably be fine. I have a 12900k system and it still crawls to it's knees without freezing if I run at 88.2 or 96 khz in this 25 track (including aux and busses), 12 mic mix of a rhythm section of problematically recorded metal band in Reaper! There is no way in hell I could have this run on an M1 chip or run a radio pop mix that needed this level of massaging on any computer with modern non-linear plugs: 16 instances of TDR Slick EQ GE, 7 Nova GE, 6 Molot GE
15 of Fuse Vpre-376 and 1 F59 on a di
13 of U-he Satin and 1 Colour Copy. 11 of PSP Avedis E27, 2 MasterQ2, 2 EMT 2445, 2 Infinistrip 2 of Relab Sonsig. I did this at 8 year old laptop at 44.1 khz (recreated at 88.2 on the 12900k) by freezing everything and just waiting. And these are still compromises. The Pulsar 1178 and tape delay can't even run on that computer with oversampling. Goodhertz Megaverb was too heavy for more than one instance. DMG trackcomp "api 2500" was problematic on the drum bus so couldn't be used. Even on the 12900k, DMG Trackcomp on the two bus would crash the session and had rougher action than Molot even at the highest oversampling. Yeah I could've mixed it with stock, old Oxford Elite, or Renaissance Maxx plugins and it wouldn't have sounded awful but it wouldn't sound good. I did do a quick remix of the entire record with the old Paul Frindle Oxford plugs. It just didn't sound as fluid and was harsh on something where the raw guitar tracks were way too smooth for the genre and to cut through the mix or on a car stereo. |
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 7, 2022 1:57:40 GMT -6
Enjoy my mini M1 here for the last 1.5 years but it was never up to the task of full modern sessions that come in totally dry tracked and they want the full pop radio treatment. If I make some mula with more mixing I'll definitely get a pimped out studio for reasons like JohnKenn mentions. Great little computer though and if you aren't doing big sessions it'll probably be fine. I have a 12900k system and it still crawls to it's knees without freezing if I run at 88.2 or 96 khz in this 25 track (including aux and busses), 12 mic mix of a rhythm section of problematically recorded metal band in Reaper! There is no way in hell I could have this run on an M1 chip or run a radio pop mix that needed this level of massaging on any computer with modern non-linear plugs: 16 instances of TDR Slick EQ GE, 7 Nova GE, 6 Molot GE
15 of Fuse Vpre-376 and 1 F59 on a di
13 of U-he Satin and 1 Colour Copy. 11 of PSP Avedis E27, 2 MasterQ2, 2 EMT 2445, 2 Infinistrip 2 of Relab Sonsig. I did this at 8 year old laptop at 44.1 khz (recreated at 88.2 on the 12900k) by freezing everything and just waiting. And these are still compromises. The Pulsar 1178 and tape delay can't even run on that computer without oversampling. Goodhertz Megaverb was too heavy for more than one instance. DMG trackcomp "api 2500" was problematic on the drum bus so couldn't be used. Even on the 12900k, DMG Trackcomp on the two bus would crash the session and had rougher action than Molot even at the highest oversampling. Yeah I could've mixed it with stock, old Oxford Elite, or Renaissance Maxx plugins and it wouldn't have sounded awful but it wouldn't sound good. I did do a quick remix of the entire record with the old Paul Frindle Oxford plugs. It just didn't sound as fluid and was harsh on something where the raw guitar tracks were way too smooth for the genre and to cut through the mix or on a car stereo. You need a few UAD satellites;) |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 7, 2022 8:43:15 GMT -6
Thanks for the replies, guys! I'll look into that studio version JK.
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Post by Mister Chase on Dec 7, 2022 12:41:17 GMT -6
Enjoy my mini M1 here for the last 1.5 years but it was never up to the task of full modern sessions that come in totally dry tracked and they want the full pop radio treatment. If I make some mula with more mixing I'll definitely get a pimped out studio for reasons like JohnKenn mentions. Great little computer though and if you aren't doing big sessions it'll probably be fine. I have a 12900k system and it still crawls to it's knees without freezing if I run at 88.2 or 96 khz in this 25 track (including aux and busses), 12 mic mix of a rhythm section of problematically recorded metal band in Reaper! There is no way in hell I could have this run on an M1 chip or run a radio pop mix that needed this level of massaging on any computer with modern non-linear plugs: 16 instances of TDR Slick EQ GE, 7 Nova GE, 6 Molot GE
15 of Fuse Vpre-376 and 1 F59 on a di
13 of U-he Satin and 1 Colour Copy. 11 of PSP Avedis E27, 2 MasterQ2, 2 EMT 2445, 2 Infinistrip 2 of Relab Sonsig. I did this at 8 year old laptop at 44.1 khz (recreated at 88.2 on the 12900k) by freezing everything and just waiting. And these are still compromises. The Pulsar 1178 and tape delay can't even run on that computer with oversampling. Goodhertz Megaverb was too heavy for more than one instance. DMG trackcomp "api 2500" was problematic on the drum bus so couldn't be used. Even on the 12900k, DMG Trackcomp on the two bus would crash the session and had rougher action than Molot even at the highest oversampling. Yeah I could've mixed it with stock, old Oxford Elite, or Renaissance Maxx plugins and it wouldn't have sounded awful but it wouldn't sound good. I did do a quick remix of the entire record with the old Paul Frindle Oxford plugs. It just didn't sound as fluid and was harsh on something where the raw guitar tracks were way too smooth for the genre and to cut through the mix or on a car stereo. Yea, it's tough out there esp at the higher sample rates (which I also like to work at). It just makes me like hardware on the way in all the more. But many folks just don't work that way anymore. So it all comes down to mix phase. It takes time but I am enjoying "pre-mixing" these days a bit. Put dry tracks through RND 542s, comps/EQs, tubes etc. Makes the ITB part a bit less of a bear. But is a time eater. |
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Post by Mister Chase on Dec 7, 2022 12:43:18 GMT -6
I have a 12900k system and it still crawls to it's knees without freezing if I run at 88.2 or 96 khz in this 25 track (including aux and busses), 12 mic mix of a rhythm section of problematically recorded metal band in Reaper! There is no way in hell I could have this run on an M1 chip or run a radio pop mix that needed this level of massaging on any computer with modern non-linear plugs: 16 instances of TDR Slick EQ GE, 7 Nova GE, 6 Molot GE
15 of Fuse Vpre-376 and 1 F59 on a di
13 of U-he Satin and 1 Colour Copy. 11 of PSP Avedis E27, 2 MasterQ2, 2 EMT 2445, 2 Infinistrip 2 of Relab Sonsig. I did this at 8 year old laptop at 44.1 khz (recreated at 88.2 on the 12900k) by freezing everything and just waiting. And these are still compromises. The Pulsar 1178 and tape delay can't even run on that computer without oversampling. Goodhertz Megaverb was too heavy for more than one instance. DMG trackcomp "api 2500" was problematic on the drum bus so couldn't be used. Even on the 12900k, DMG Trackcomp on the two bus would crash the session and had rougher action than Molot even at the highest oversampling. Yeah I could've mixed it with stock, old Oxford Elite, or Renaissance Maxx plugins and it wouldn't have sounded awful but it wouldn't sound good. I did do a quick remix of the entire record with the old Paul Frindle Oxford plugs. It just didn't sound as fluid and was harsh on something where the raw guitar tracks were way too smooth for the genre and to cut through the mix or on a car stereo. You need a few UAD satellites;) Honestly, I know at this point in the game people are questioning the validity of UAD's aging DSP, but it does come in handy. I have an Octo connected and an Apollo x8p(my mobile rig) that I can connect for more DSP and it does take some of the load off. If I am running multiple instances of soothe 2 oversampled and ultra res, I need all the help I can get. Really, their plugs do sound great. *shrug* |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 7, 2022 12:46:27 GMT -6
Hey Cowboy, good to see you! I think the Studio is the best deal. If your current M1 can be used a while longer though, I think Apple will have an M2 chip soon.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 7, 2022 12:51:57 GMT -6
@achase, plus you get the uadx versions of your plugs that are in the sub plan, so you can run those natively to take the load off the shark chips.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2022 14:11:26 GMT -6
I have a 12900k system and it still crawls to it's knees without freezing if I run at 88.2 or 96 khz in this 25 track (including aux and busses), 12 mic mix of a rhythm section of problematically recorded metal band in Reaper! There is no way in hell I could have this run on an M1 chip or run a radio pop mix that needed this level of massaging on any computer with modern non-linear plugs: 16 instances of TDR Slick EQ GE, 7 Nova GE, 6 Molot GE
15 of Fuse Vpre-376 and 1 F59 on a di
13 of U-he Satin and 1 Colour Copy. 11 of PSP Avedis E27, 2 MasterQ2, 2 EMT 2445, 2 Infinistrip 2 of Relab Sonsig. I did this at 8 year old laptop at 44.1 khz (recreated at 88.2 on the 12900k) by freezing everything and just waiting. And these are still compromises. The Pulsar 1178 and tape delay can't even run on that computer with oversampling. Goodhertz Megaverb was too heavy for more than one instance. DMG trackcomp "api 2500" was problematic on the drum bus so couldn't be used. Even on the 12900k, DMG Trackcomp on the two bus would crash the session and had rougher action than Molot even at the highest oversampling. Yeah I could've mixed it with stock, old Oxford Elite, or Renaissance Maxx plugins and it wouldn't have sounded awful but it wouldn't sound good. I did do a quick remix of the entire record with the old Paul Frindle Oxford plugs. It just didn't sound as fluid and was harsh on something where the raw guitar tracks were way too smooth for the genre and to cut through the mix or on a car stereo. Yea, it's tough out there esp at the higher sample rates (which I also like to work at). It just makes me like hardware on the way in all the more. But many folks just don't work that way anymore. So it all comes down to mix phase. It takes time but I am enjoying "pre-mixing" these days a bit. Put dry tracks through RND 542s, comps/EQs, tubes etc. Makes the ITB part a bit less of a bear. But is a time eater. Yeah those 542s are magical. Too bad most modern stuff is not as universally pleasing as those and is a glorified distortion device rather than solving a problem. The clean compressors stopped being designed for the most part and are stuck in old live racks and people aren’t buying the new ones that much. How many rooms do you see with Crane Song or Elysia equipment? Meanwhile I’ve seen people eat up SSL’s, ahem Audiotonix’s, digitally controlled, Chinese OEM made monstrosity Bus+. U-he Satin for example is the only tape plug itb that is very flexible itb ime and yet people will buy 5 things ahead of it that pretty much sound broken. Even the UAD ones are more of a special effect and then you get say Baby Audio where the fx sound broken and are broken with bugs yet they’re well advertised so people buy them |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2022 16:12:11 GMT -6
I have a 12900k system and it still crawls to it's knees without freezing if I run at 88.2 or 96 khz in this 25 track (including aux and busses), 12 mic mix of a rhythm section of problematically recorded metal band in Reaper! There is no way in hell I could have this run on an M1 chip or run a radio pop mix that needed this level of massaging on any computer with modern non-linear plugs: 16 instances of TDR Slick EQ GE, 7 Nova GE, 6 Molot GE
15 of Fuse Vpre-376 and 1 F59 on a di
13 of U-he Satin and 1 Colour Copy. 11 of PSP Avedis E27, 2 MasterQ2, 2 EMT 2445, 2 Infinistrip 2 of Relab Sonsig. I did this at 8 year old laptop at 44.1 khz (recreated at 88.2 on the 12900k) by freezing everything and just waiting. And these are still compromises. The Pulsar 1178 and tape delay can't even run on that computer without oversampling. Goodhertz Megaverb was too heavy for more than one instance. DMG trackcomp "api 2500" was problematic on the drum bus so couldn't be used. Even on the 12900k, DMG Trackcomp on the two bus would crash the session and had rougher action than Molot even at the highest oversampling. Yeah I could've mixed it with stock, old Oxford Elite, or Renaissance Maxx plugins and it wouldn't have sounded awful but it wouldn't sound good. I did do a quick remix of the entire record with the old Paul Frindle Oxford plugs. It just didn't sound as fluid and was harsh on something where the raw guitar tracks were way too smooth for the genre and to cut through the mix or on a car stereo. You need a few UAD satellites;) Yeah I could offload the preamp plugs (Helios is my favorite), the dynamic eq (Sonnox Oxford dynamic), and the Avedis EQs for the API.. There’s nothing there to replace the corrective parametric and semi parametric EQs, fx sends, dynamics and Satin (the UAD tapes are good but more special fx ime. Never put them into plug-in doctor or Span) because UAD is behind native plugs now and is trying to play catch up just porting their plugs to native. A UAD octo would take a good deal of the distortion load off still. We need U-he to make clap run on an external box hooked up to arm/x64 cpus. If clap takes over, it probably could. U-he together with aax, au, and vst wrappers for the mega corporation daws. Something with just a power supply, small ssd, and cpu like the current Eventide H9000 but reasonably priced and more powerful and flexible. You could offload all your heavy fx sends to it and save a lot of cpu |
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Post by Mister Chase on Dec 7, 2022 17:40:33 GMT -6
@achase, plus you get the uadx versions of your plugs that are in the sub plan, so you can run those natively to take the load off the shark chips. Yup, indeed I do, too. Can bounce back and forth if need be. I save the Studer for the sharc's in general because there is no gang function in the native version. Works like a charm. |
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Post by Mister Chase on Dec 7, 2022 19:05:59 GMT -6
Yea, it's tough out there esp at the higher sample rates (which I also like to work at). It just makes me like hardware on the way in all the more. But many folks just don't work that way anymore. So it all comes down to mix phase. It takes time but I am enjoying "pre-mixing" these days a bit. Put dry tracks through RND 542s, comps/EQs, tubes etc. Makes the ITB part a bit less of a bear. But is a time eater. Yeah those 542s are magical. Too bad most modern stuff is not as universally pleasing as those and is a glorified distortion device rather than solving a problem. The clean compressors stopped being designed for the most part and are stuck in old live racks and people aren’t buying the new ones that much. How many rooms do you see with Crane Song or Elysia equipment? Meanwhile I’ve seen people eat up SSL’s, ahem Audiotonix’s, digitally controlled, Chinese OEM made monstrosity Bus+. U-he Satin for example is the only tape plug itb that is very flexible itb ime and yet people will buy 5 things ahead of it that pretty much sound broken. Even the UAD ones are more of a special effect and then you get say Baby Audio where the fx sound broken and are broken with bugs yet they’re well advertised so people buy them Yea, the 542s are great. I bet most of the RND stuff is pretty special. It took some getting used to because they have so many interacting parameters and qualities. Uhe is a special plugin, for sure. |
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 8, 2022 2:52:06 GMT -6
You need a few UAD satellites;) Yeah I could offload the preamp plugs (Helios is my favorite), the dynamic eq (Sonnox Oxford dynamic), and the Avedis EQs for the API.. There’s nothing there to replace the corrective parametric and semi parametric EQs, fx sends, dynamics and Satin (the UAD tapes are good but more special fx ime. Never put them into plug-in doctor or Span) because UAD is behind native plugs now and is trying to play catch up just porting their plugs to native. A UAD octo would take a good deal of the distortion load off still. We need U-he to make clap run on an external box hooked up to arm/x64 cpus. If clap takes over, it probably could. U-he together with aax, au, and vst wrappers for the mega corporation daws. Something with just a power supply, small ssd, and cpu like the current Eventide H9000 but reasonably priced and more powerful and flexible. You could offload all your heavy fx sends to it and save a lot of cpu Hey Dan, Talking of U-he I bought their Repro 5 synth and I’m totally blown away …. what a stunning virtual synth so close to the hardware. What would you recommend for my next U-he purchase. Next synth? What about an FX plugin from them - Satin? Thanks |
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Post by bchurch on Dec 8, 2022 7:03:08 GMT -6
If anyone wants a spanking new m1 mini (16gb/256gb) with the OWC 4xTB4 hub, get at me. I'm sticking to my i7/32gb for another year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2022 7:40:13 GMT -6
Yeah I could offload the preamp plugs (Helios is my favorite), the dynamic eq (Sonnox Oxford dynamic), and the Avedis EQs for the API.. There’s nothing there to replace the corrective parametric and semi parametric EQs, fx sends, dynamics and Satin (the UAD tapes are good but more special fx ime. Never put them into plug-in doctor or Span) because UAD is behind native plugs now and is trying to play catch up just porting their plugs to native. A UAD octo would take a good deal of the distortion load off still. We need U-he to make clap run on an external box hooked up to arm/x64 cpus. If clap takes over, it probably could. U-he together with aax, au, and vst wrappers for the mega corporation daws. Something with just a power supply, small ssd, and cpu like the current Eventide H9000 but reasonably priced and more powerful and flexible. You could offload all your heavy fx sends to it and save a lot of cpu Hey Dan, Talking of U-he I bought their Repro 5 synth and I’m totally blown away …. what a stunning virtual synth so close to the hardware. What would you recommend for my next U-he purchase. Next synth? What about an FX plugin from them - Satin? Thanks Satin is the best. I also love Colour Copy for the tonal flexibility. MTM is even more flexible Satin pick a preset for a studer or ampex and just drive into it. Not too hard to keep your drum transients intact. The vintage tape is huge. Use the one without the upper mid bump for the vintage Studer. Pay attention to the VU meter. The knob to change the VU meter doesn't change the distortion. 0 VU is 0 dbfs so don't be afraid to boost into it and then trim in your floating point daw if your levels are very low. I would mix into Satin rather than mix from Satin too to retain your transients too and not bring up noise with makeup gain and have to gate it away. |
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Post by Ward on Dec 8, 2022 9:03:09 GMT -6
People are raving about that Studio!
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 8, 2022 9:18:15 GMT -6
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