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Post by chessparov on Nov 21, 2022 11:26:58 GMT -6
If I only had a dollar for every time I had to hear that...
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Post by Ward on Nov 21, 2022 13:53:47 GMT -6
If I only had a dollar for every time I had to hear that... Chris That's what she said. |
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Post by dreamsambas on Nov 21, 2022 16:18:23 GMT -6
Being a humor thread . . . I thought that was part of the joke. (saying an RE16 and RE20 were the sane mic just different transformers) By that measure a KM84 and U47 are the same mic, just different transformers.  Isn't it kinda odd that an RCA 77-B/C/D/DX and a U-47/48 are the same diameter? LOL that got a laugh out of me But I really do think the entire RE family sound remarkably similar. If someone told me they shared the same dynamic element, I'd buy it. Same goes for the earlier 66X family. The 666 sounds just like a 665, but with more low end. |
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Post by ericn on Nov 21, 2022 18:54:34 GMT -6
If I only had a dollar for every time I had to hear that... Chris You would have what a dollar😁 |
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Post by ericn on Nov 21, 2022 18:56:00 GMT -6
Isn't it kinda odd that an RCA 77-B/C/D/DX and a U-47/48 are the same diameter? LOL that got a laugh out of me But I really do think the entire RE family sound remarkably similar. If someone told me they shared the same dynamic element, I'd buy it. Same goes for the earlier 66X family. The 666 sounds just like a 665, but with more low end. The whole same cartridge myth is a bunch of people not understanding that the Pl and RE series are the same mics. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 21, 2022 19:08:37 GMT -6
Isn't it kinda odd that an RCA 77-B/C/D/DX and a U-47/48 are the same diameter? LOL that got a laugh out of me But I really do think the entire RE family sound remarkably similar. If someone told me they shared the same dynamic element, I'd buy it. Same goes for the earlier 66X family. The 666 sounds just like a 665, but with more low end. The RE 10/11/15/16 are all basically the same mic, with slightly different foam structures surrounding the capsule. But they sound quite different to me than an RE20. The RE20 almost always sounds "pinched" to me in the mids - I don't know how to describe it better than that. It's a fairly heavy signature to my ear. The RE10/11/15/16 doesn't have that same "pinch," and I find them to be really lovely on vocals. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 21, 2022 19:40:54 GMT -6
I thought the U47 in that track was much better than the RE15. It's kind of a plain vocal too. I bet with a more dynamic singer things would be much different when comparing.
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Post by plinker on Nov 21, 2022 20:17:32 GMT -6
RE20 capsule is as large as the outer case of an RE-15, thereabouts I'm sorry; I must have had a memory lapse. I've reconditioned 4x RE11 and 3XRE18, and I could have sworn that the guy at EV -- the only guy left who had any idea about these mics -- told me that the RE10-18 were the same capsules as the RE20, with a different transformer on the 20.
However, I don't trust my memory for shit, so if the size don't match, then I stand corrected.
BTW, I'm positive that all of the 10-18 capsules are the same. The reason the RE10/11 line existed is that they were capsules that didn't make the consistency cut, so they developed an "off response" line with the RE10/11. Basically, you couldn't reliably match an re10/11 with an re15/16. Does anyone actually care about matching dynamic mics? :-)
The RE18 line was a bit different in the housing, I believe. I sold those, because I preferred the RE11.
Also, you can no longer buy RE10/11 foamies from EV. I don't know about the RE16 foamies. The foamies are nothing special though -- probably find them in some grocery store items.
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Post by dreamsambas on Nov 22, 2022 14:29:25 GMT -6
But I really do think the entire RE family sound remarkably similar. If someone told me they shared the same dynamic element, I'd buy it. The RE20 almost always sounds "pinched" to me in the mids - I don't know how to describe it better than that. It's a fairly heavy signature to my ear. The RE10/11/15/16 doesn't have that same "pinch," and I find them to be really lovely on vocals. I hear ya! For what it's worth- the modern RE20 I used to own had that noticeable "pinch" in the mids. When I tried an older RE20, I did not hear it. The newer RE20's midrange didn't sound bad. Just a little more.. modern. EQ'ing did not seem to make it disappear. |
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Post by EmRR on Nov 22, 2022 14:51:08 GMT -6
Yeah, modern and old RE-20's available to me, they are different. Hard to say if it's coil fatigue or not, could be.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 22, 2022 15:39:07 GMT -6
Is it enough to recoil from?
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Post by plinker on Nov 22, 2022 20:28:05 GMT -6
Is it enough to recoil from? Chrus <forgive me> and would a Coil preamp fix that </forgive me>
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Post by chessparov on Nov 22, 2022 21:25:07 GMT -6
They are among my fantasy Pre's. Really too bad on many of these EV discontinued models.
Certainly not always based on sonic merit.
Chris
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Post by EmRR on Dec 13, 2022 18:38:59 GMT -6
The RE-16 beat the 67 and a 44-BX again...coulda tried other stuff, but why? Sounds good on the guy.
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Post by chessparov on Dec 13, 2022 19:24:10 GMT -6
How about on his voice?
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Post by ericn on Dec 13, 2022 19:56:07 GMT -6
Wait Mics can walk?😁
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Post by drbill on Dec 13, 2022 20:14:37 GMT -6
The RE-16 beat the 67 and a 44-BX again...coulda tried other stuff, but why? Sounds good on the guy. If he was gonna beat the guy, I'd easily have chosen the 44....  |
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Post by chessparov on Dec 13, 2022 21:02:57 GMT -6
Remember to also beware of Audiophiles.
They carry 45's and have records to boot.
Many still depend on Needles.
Unless they finally move on to Vegas or Reno.
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Post by chessparov on Dec 14, 2022 18:52:31 GMT -6
No. But they can run on cables. Chris |
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Post by gevermil on Dec 14, 2022 21:39:21 GMT -6
The RE-16 beat the 67 and a 44-BX again...coulda tried other stuff, but why? Sounds good on the guy. How does the re16 compare to your other EVs ? You have a re38 correct , any RE15s ?
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Post by EmRR on Dec 15, 2022 9:46:54 GMT -6
The RE-16 beat the 67 and a 44-BX again...coulda tried other stuff, but why? Sounds good on the guy. How does the re16 compare to your other EVs ? You have a re38 correct , any RE15s ?
Can't say I've done a full EV shootout, but, in the context of the other mics I'm using on the things I'm doing, I think of the 16's as guitar amps and vcl, the 20's as kick and vcl, the 666's as kick/bass/gtr amp, the 38's on toms, the various omni's on acoustic/room/OH/vcl/gtr amp. The 16's might be the most general purpose sounding of the lot, doubt they ever go in a kick drum or on a floor tom. The 38's are pretty bright, step the 16 to the 20 then another step to the 38. The 16 and the 666 might be the most similar, the 666 is more aggressive and less clean. The 16's are most similar to the 10 I have, actually, which is a low tolerance 15, which is 57/58 comparison in theory but even closer tonally. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 15, 2022 10:11:59 GMT -6
How does the re16 compare to your other EVs ? You have a re38 correct , any RE15s ?
Can't say I've done a full EV shootout, but, in the context of the other mics I'm using on the things I'm doing, I think of the 16's as guitar amps and vcl, the 20's as kick and vcl, the 666's as kick/bass/gtr amp, the 38's on toms, the various omni's on acoustic/room/OH/vcl/gtr amp. The 16's might be the most general purpose sounding of the lot, doubt they ever go in a kick drum or on a floor tom. The 38's are pretty bright, step the 16 to the 20 then another step to the 38. The 16 and the 666 might be the most similar, the 666 is more aggressive and less clean. The 16's are most similar to the 10 I have, actually, which is a low tolerance 15, which is 57/58 comparison in theory but even closer tonally. I’m going to add something to what Doug has said, if you can find them the old EV sales docs with the polar pattern plot’s are pretty telling of the difference between the various variable -D mics. You need to know how to read them an understand that they are a 2D representation of a sphere, but you can pretty much predict the performance. |
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Post by EmRR on Dec 15, 2022 12:03:09 GMT -6
Can't say I've done a full EV shootout, but, in the context of the other mics I'm using on the things I'm doing, I think of the 16's as guitar amps and vcl, the 20's as kick and vcl, the 666's as kick/bass/gtr amp, the 38's on toms, the various omni's on acoustic/room/OH/vcl/gtr amp. The 16's might be the most general purpose sounding of the lot, doubt they ever go in a kick drum or on a floor tom. The 38's are pretty bright, step the 16 to the 20 then another step to the 38. The 16 and the 666 might be the most similar, the 666 is more aggressive and less clean. The 16's are most similar to the 10 I have, actually, which is a low tolerance 15, which is 57/58 comparison in theory but even closer tonally. I’m going to add something to what Doug has said, if you can find them the old EV sales docs with the polar pattern plot’s are pretty telling of the difference between the various variable -D mics. You need to know how to read them an understand that they are a 2D representation of a sphere, but you can pretty much predict the performance. ...and on that note, I was maxing out my mic selection on a Big Band recording and needed another pair of something for the trombone line, sandwiched row 2 between saxes and trumpets, and the RE-16 off axis plots look a lot better than many SDC's. Just sayin'. Went with it, they did it. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 15, 2022 12:20:10 GMT -6
I’m going to add something to what Doug has said, if you can find them the old EV sales docs with the polar pattern plot’s are pretty telling of the difference between the various variable -D mics. You need to know how to read them an understand that they are a 2D representation of a sphere, but you can pretty much predict the performance. ...and on that note, I was maxing out my mic selection on a Big Band recording and needed another pair of something for the trombone line, sandwiched row 2 between saxes and *no politics*ets, and the RE-16 off axis plots look a lot better than many SDC's. Just sayin'. Went with it, they did it. I would say more modern mic builders should supply docs like true old EV’s but most could never afford the investment in a chamber. Shocking how much I miss the old days. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 15, 2022 12:47:28 GMT -6
The RE 10/11/15/16 are virtually the same mic. As Doug mentioned, the 10 and 11 are rumored to be lower-tolerance capsule versions of the 15 and 16. The foam surroundings are a little different in each, with the 10 and 15 being quite similar and the 11 and 16 also being quite similar.
I have two RE-11s, and I love them. I remember hearing a drum mix a couple years back that someone did where they miced the entire kit only using two of these (don't remember whether it was 10/11/15 or 16), and man, it sounded great to me. Certainly had a "sound," and didn't sound "modern," but I thought it was great.
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