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Post by EmRR on Nov 19, 2022 22:16:58 GMT -6
and on today’s (and several other) singers you’d be hard pressed to tell which was which. Much of the essential midrange quality is the same. The RE-16 won today, as it hid some snotty nasal treble qualities that were slightly more present in the 67. I could match gain and comp between them just fine. You can use the 16 in the live room with drums, the 67 not so much. FWIW!
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Post by chessparov on Nov 19, 2022 23:34:34 GMT -6
"walk into a bar"? Ouch!  Chris |
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Post by plinker on Nov 20, 2022 0:37:31 GMT -6
Loves me some RE11/16!
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Post by jacobamerritt on Nov 20, 2022 3:11:01 GMT -6
Re-16 is one of my all time favorite mics.
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 20, 2022 3:41:45 GMT -6
and on today’s (and several other) singers you’d be hard pressed to tell which was which. Much of the essential midrange quality is the same. The RE-16 won today, as it hid some snotty nasal treble qualities that were slightly more present in the 67. I could match gain and comp between them just fine. You can use the 16 in the live room with drums, the 67 not so much. FWIW! If an LDC is akin to a great lens then dynamic mics are like a lens with lens filters. There are times an M88 or SM7B will sound great and a 251 (for example) will expose every unwanted nuance! I've never tried an RE-16 .... that's a new one on me! |
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Post by chessparov on Nov 20, 2022 8:23:55 GMT -6
I had mint RE15/16/666's for quite a few years. They got sold when their value went way up.
FWIW at that time, M88TG*/Vintage 421/441 were relatively better generally, on my voice. Shure Unidyne III's hit and miss.
Chris
*Needed more de-essing back then, on the M88.
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Post by bricejchandler on Nov 20, 2022 9:30:57 GMT -6
I use the RE16 on vocals all the time, it's far from hifi but it just seems to work on a lot of voices. I posted this in another thread already. I was shooting out vocal mics for a singer. Here is a 47 and the RE16 on the same take. www.dropbox.com/s/h1n9ixo9atsw9zf/47.mp3?dl=0www.dropbox.com/s/rep8whnp7a0ktkj/RE16.mp3?dl=0One thing I've noticed with the RE16 is it seems to be very very sensitive to preamp choice, more so than pretty much every other mic I own. |
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Post by subspace on Nov 20, 2022 9:42:31 GMT -6
My RE15s are first choice for tracking vocals live in the room with band, something about that variable-D, super cardioid combination gives exceptional isolation.
Mixed the musical Bright Star for the month of September and had the RE15 on banjo every night.
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Post by Darren Boling on Nov 20, 2022 10:33:50 GMT -6
I have you guys to thank for getting me into these, I love my RE-16 and 18.
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Post by drbill on Nov 20, 2022 11:25:21 GMT -6
Dynamics are overlooked WAY too often. They are not sexy. They don't cost as much as a used car. Still, especially in a less than perfect room, they can often win out, and will at least hold their own. Many of the the EV's and the 441 and even the SM7 and SM57 are classics. For a reason.
Doug's post does not surprise me.
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Post by ragan on Nov 20, 2022 11:29:58 GMT -6
When I’m tracking vocals with the 67 or some other LDC, I Alamo always also have the 441, sometimes I like it better. Good dynamics rule.
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Post by dok on Nov 20, 2022 15:18:50 GMT -6
Dang, these are expensive now!! Is it worth tracking one down if I already have an RE15 (and a 635a and an RE20)?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2022 15:53:43 GMT -6
Dang, these are expensive now!! Is it worth tracking one down if I already have an RE15 (and a 635a and an RE20)? They got discontinued. The final new price was what they are going for used now. I got one of the last new ones. I believe the die or something wore out and they're not used in broadcast like the 635a and RE20 are so EV chose to discontinue them. They're not worth 400 bucks beat up. Just buy a different mic from another manufacturer. Shure has the SM63 which is a more forward omni dynamic. |
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Post by EmRR on Nov 20, 2022 17:23:40 GMT -6
I've got that RE-10 In the classifieds....kinda forgot about it.....
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Post by chessparov on Nov 20, 2022 17:38:52 GMT -6
Out of Production... AKG D770/790's are still dirt cheap. FWIW Scott Dorsey also digs the AKG D8000's.
Thanks God the 441/EV 635a/RE20/M88TG* et al, are still "Old School" style made.
(shame that the Shure 57/58/545 Transformers got a bit cheaped out. When they moved Production to Mexico)
The current 421 MKII, is too bright for my taste.
Chris
* IMHO the current M88TG heavy duty basket is "close enough" sonically, to the old silver version.
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Post by plinker on Nov 20, 2022 18:05:27 GMT -6
Dang, these are expensive now!! Is it worth tracking one down if I already have an RE15 (and a 635a and an RE20)? Nope. Same capsule, different transformer than the 20.
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Post by Ward on Nov 20, 2022 18:09:06 GMT -6
The RE11 15 16 and 635 are my favorite talkback mics
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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 20, 2022 22:33:59 GMT -6
I've got a couple RE11s, and really love them. They sound much more natural to me than an RE20.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 20, 2022 23:13:51 GMT -6
I wonder if the RE20 is more "Pre Dependant"? Like a 57/58 etc.
Chris
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Post by dreamsambas on Nov 21, 2022 1:03:41 GMT -6
Dang, these are expensive now!! Is it worth tracking one down if I already have an RE15 (and a 635a and an RE20)? Nope. Same capsule, different transformer than the 20.
Do they really share a capsule and just have a different transformer? Because to me, they sound identical, except for more low end on an RE20. This is more so the case when the RE20 is an older model. |
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Post by EmRR on Nov 21, 2022 8:28:50 GMT -6
RE20 capsule is as large as the outer case of an RE-15, thereabouts
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Post by Ward on Nov 21, 2022 8:57:52 GMT -6
RE20 capsule is as large as the outer case of an RE-15, thereabouts Being a humor thread . . . I thought that was part of the joke. (saying an RE16 and RE20 were the sane mic just different transformers) By that measure a KM84 and U47 are the same mic, just different transformers.  |
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Post by octalsocket on Nov 21, 2022 9:44:06 GMT -6
There is a pretty good chance I got one of the very last new RE16’s a few years back - I bought one that was in stock at B&H, and liked it enough to want another. That one was a special order, and took about three weeks to arrive. I noticed they were out of production after I received that second mic. Love those things.
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Post by EmRR on Nov 21, 2022 10:12:05 GMT -6
RE20 capsule is as large as the outer case of an RE-15, thereabouts Being a humor thread . . . I thought that was part of the joke. (saying an RE16 and RE20 were the sane mic just different transformers) By that measure a KM84 and U47 are the same mic, just different transformers. Isn't it kinda odd that an RCA 77-B/C/D/DX and a U-47/48 are the same diameter? |
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Post by Ward on Nov 21, 2022 10:25:30 GMT -6
Being a humor thread . . . I thought that was part of the joke. (saying an RE16 and RE20 were the sane mic just different transformers) By that measure a KM84 and U47 are the same mic, just different transformers. Isn't it kinda odd that an RCA 77-B/C/D/DX and a U-47/48 are the same diameter? "It's big, it must be good!" |
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