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Post by keymod on Oct 28, 2022 7:17:53 GMT -6
Recent thread about the Hakan got me to thinking: Pros & Cons of using a pop filter. I'm thinking that, if nothing else, using one would keep my expensive mics from getting the singers' spit and other nasties all over the grille and, worse, onto the capsule. I mean, can they really alter the sound that much? I know I can't hear the difference after forty years in the construction industry, but my engineer insists that they do. We have a Stedman here, but I am trying to find a more acceptable alternative.
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Post by 79sg on Oct 28, 2022 7:33:32 GMT -6
When using a pop filter I use the Rycote Universal InVision Pop Filter.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 28, 2022 8:32:02 GMT -6
I wish the Abbey Road pop filters were available. There are some similar versions made by MXL and I think Peluso, but evidently the Abbey Road ones are special.
Personally, since my work is private and I don't have clients or a studio for rent, I use pop filters when anyone else is singing. For myself, I don't use one.
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Post by mike on Oct 28, 2022 8:33:34 GMT -6
I use the Rycote also
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Post by svart on Oct 28, 2022 8:38:35 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Oct 28, 2022 10:22:06 GMT -6
Recent thread about the Hakan got me to thinking: Pros & Cons of using a pop filter. I'm thinking that, if nothing else, using one would keep my expensive mics from getting the singers' spit and other nasties all over the grille and, worse, onto the capsule. I mean, can they really alter the sound that much? I know I can't hear the difference after forty years in the construction industry, but my engineer insists that they do. We have a Stedman here, but I am trying to find a more acceptable alternative. I have grown to detest the Steadman, and use the Hakan if within 16" of the microphone. Further back, it's hit or miss. |
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Post by keymod on Oct 28, 2022 10:38:30 GMT -6
Ward, what about the Stedman do you detest? I don't like the gooseneck on it, as it sags during use.
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Post by Ward on Oct 28, 2022 10:46:24 GMT -6
Ward, what about the Stedman do you detest? I don't like the gooseneck on it, as it sags during use. The increase in sibilance with some singers. You may not even hear it straight away, until you're comping vocals and notice it on some takes, if the singer changed angles ever so slightly. And yeah, the gooseneck is a little weak. |
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Post by recordingengineer on Oct 28, 2022 11:03:32 GMT -6
What is the best gooseneck? I tried a couple Triad-Orbits… Too stiff / doesn’t bend enough for use with a pop-filter.
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Post by 79sg on Oct 28, 2022 11:14:32 GMT -6
What is the best gooseneck? I tried a couple Triad-Orbits… Too stiff / doesn’t bend enough for use with a pop-filter. One of the reasons I like the Rycote is there isn’t a gooseneck. |
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 28, 2022 13:42:53 GMT -6
I bought one of these www.thomann.de/gb/pauly_pr120t30.htmThe price is a bit silly for what is it but boy it's unbelievably effective and transparent, I literally cannot tell it's there. |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 28, 2022 14:04:21 GMT -6
IMHO the best Pop Filter is... No Pop Filter (Bob O's advice)  Unless I were using a 4038 Ribbon!  Chris |
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Post by keymod on Oct 28, 2022 14:13:21 GMT -6
IMHO the best Pop Filter is... No Pop Filter (Bob O's advice) Unless I were using a 4038 Ribbon! Chris Understood, but you don't worry about spit and the like getting on your mics? That's more of an issue for me than any sound differences. |
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Post by tkaitkai on Oct 28, 2022 14:17:47 GMT -6
Stedman works fine for me. It does color the sound a tiny bit, but not showstopping or anything. Might be better or worse for different people. YMMV.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 28, 2022 14:56:20 GMT -6
IMHO the best Pop Filter is... No Pop Filter (Bob O's advice) Unless I were using a 4038 Ribbon! Chris Understood, but you don't worry about spit and the like getting on your mics? That's more of an issue for me than any sound differences. Hey it might help. Look at the Capitol photos of Frank/Nat/Dean recording sometime LOL! Let alone with Putnam there (Cues "Smoke Gets In Your Eyes"/Platters) Chris P.S. Seriously the Pop Filters tend to mess up the vocal Mid Range a bit IMHO. Paging Mr. Ohlsson! |
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Post by ab101 on Oct 28, 2022 15:50:27 GMT -6
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Post by keymod on Oct 29, 2022 4:27:32 GMT -6
Understood, but you don't worry about spit and the like getting on your mics? That's more of an issue for me than any sound differences. Hey it might help. Look at the Capitol photos of Frank/Nat/Dean recording sometime LOL! Let alone with Putnam there (Cues "Smoke Gets In Your Eyes"/Platters) Chris P.S. Seriously the Pop Filters tend to mess up the vocal Mid Range a bit IMHO. Paging Mr. Ohlsson! Yes, but Capitol would have had serious Techs onsite to clean/repair things, plus they could afford to buy new ones.... Some say all of that smoke added to the sound. "Man, that was a hot take....." "Yeah, smokin', Man...." |
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Post by Ward on Oct 29, 2022 15:03:24 GMT -6
I bought one of these www.thomann.de/gb/pauly_pr120t30.htmThe price is a bit silly for what is it but boy it's unbelievably effective and transparent, I literally cannot tell it's there. Looks like an effective pop filter! |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 29, 2022 18:54:10 GMT -6
Panty hose can be extremely effective.
Also as a Pop Filter.
Chris
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Post by Ward on Oct 30, 2022 9:13:05 GMT -6
Panty hose can be extremely effective. Also as a Pop Filter. Chris What you do with your hosiery is your business. Enjoy! |
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 30, 2022 13:11:45 GMT -6
IMHO the best Pop Filter is... No Pop Filter (Bob O's advice) Unless I were using a 4038 Ribbon! Chris I have double blind ABX tested this - with someone else running the the test and I even went to the effort of being properly blind folded and I absolutely could not tell the difference between the Pauly pop filter and no Pauly pop filter it was just guessing which was which. So no matter who says they can hear the difference - I cannot - and as it's my ears tracking, mixing and mastering my projects I see no reason not to use the Pauly pop filter. Though, to be clear, I'm not saying Bob O can't hear the difference - though I'd love to double blind ABX test him with the Pauly pop filter (it really is that good  ) Plus as said, it protects my expensive mics. |
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Post by recordingengineer on Oct 30, 2022 14:11:48 GMT -6
I remember some years back reading on that other place where someone liked the way the Pauly affected sibilance and how effective the Blast Pad was at stopping plosives, transparently.
I don’t know how true any of it is, but I’ve finally had the Blast Pad for just a bit and I love it!
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Post by chessparov on Oct 30, 2022 23:38:39 GMT -6
IMHO the best Pop Filter is... No Pop Filter (Bob O's advice) Unless I were using a 4038 Ribbon! Chris I have double blind ABX tested this - with someone else running the the test and I even went to the effort of being properly blind folded and I absolutely could not tell the difference between the Pauly pop filter and no Pauly pop filter it was just guessing which was which. So no matter who says they can hear the difference - I cannot - and as it's my ears tracking, mixing and mastering my projects I see no reason not to use the Pauly pop filter. Though, to be clear, I'm not saying Bob O can't hear the difference - though I'd love to double blind ABX test him with the Pauly pop filter (it really is that good ) Plus as said, it protects my expensive mics. I'd like to try that kind of test too. But I sent my hearing aids off to a new repair place. And I haven't heard anything since. (Hit me drummer!) Chris |
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Post by drumsound on Oct 31, 2022 15:40:23 GMT -6
You guys spending hundreds on pop filters, are you really hearing A) that much degradation from the typical music store filters, and B) a huge improvement in recorded sounds?
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Post by recordingengineer on Oct 31, 2022 15:52:00 GMT -6
I personally could careless about the sound the typical fabric pop-filter makes. For me, it’s about truly stopping the plosives, especially when getting fairly close to the mic. When you’re right up on the mic, the most effective way (much better than the typical fabric popper-stoppers) is to use an really good, thick and dense foamy, by that most definitely kills the top. The Blast Pad solved my problem.
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