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Post by doubledog on Jan 7, 2024 11:19:24 GMT -6
I realized that the shop-vac wet/dry foam filters are the same stuff mentioned previously (pond/fish stuff), so I picked up a "Hart" brand (at Walmart) for around $5. Its just a loop of foam, that is shipped pretty much flat so I cut off the seam and now it's just a (mostly) flat piece of open cell foam. Going to try that in an old pop filter that has only one side of the nylon material left. it might be less transparent, but but for some really sibilant singers I actually need that sometimes. Or when I want to put it in front of a horn or kick drum, etc. where there is a lot of air moving.
I've also got this cut-to-fit material that I use in an air filter/purifier. its a lot thinner but also a lot tighter/denser material so might be too much. I've got a lot of it though so might be worthy of an experiment. I also wondered about just stretching a nylon across the Stedman (I have one of those and a GC knock-off) to see if it worked better? I think the gooseneck on the Stedman (101) is actually pretty sturdy although it's a little shorter than some, but I don't find that it really stops pops all that well (after reading such great reviews in other places - maybe other models work better?).
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Post by mcirish on Jan 7, 2024 14:56:20 GMT -6
Just bought another Pauly pop filter. $139 is a lot for a pop filter but it stays in place and works. Over the last few months I tried a lot of other ones. Best cheap on is the popper stopper. But the Pauly works at least as well and has a much better build quality. What is that saying... Buy once, cry once?
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Post by doubledog on Jan 7, 2024 15:44:11 GMT -6
haven't tried these yet, but I did what I was talking about earlier... filter foam in the middle of the bigger one and new outer filter (nylons). Then the smaller Stedman knockoff (on right) just some nylon stretched over it. The hosiery I used was also from Walmart. Knee-high "off-black" for $0.97 a pair. so this is my $7 hack (after tax). I expect these will probably affect the vocal sound some but I have enough of these that I thought it might be good to have some different levels of poppage stoppage for different sources.   |
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Post by poppaflavor on Jan 8, 2024 6:19:14 GMT -6
Just bought another Pauly pop filter. $139 is a lot for a pop filter but it stays in place and works. Over the last few months I tried a lot of other ones. Best cheap on is the popper stopper. But the Pauly works at least as well and has a much better build quality. What is that saying... Buy once, cry once? Can I ask where you picked it up for $139 (presumably USD)? It looks like it's $199 everywhere I see online. |
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Post by mcirish on Jan 8, 2024 6:59:19 GMT -6
I bought it from Front End Audio. They had a sale. Now they are $219. That was a great deal I got!
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Post by audiospecific on Jan 8, 2024 7:01:25 GMT -6
I use a cheap Hosa pop filter that I taped a sharpie maker to it from the mounting stem and it goes about 3/4 of the way into the middle of the pop filter area. What this does is deflect the air, while the sound waves move around and propagate on the other side of the marker, thus removing the plosive air velocity of the signal.
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Post by poppaflavor on Jan 8, 2024 21:20:39 GMT -6
I bought it from Front End Audio. They had a sale. Now they are $219. That was a great deal I got! Wow, yes indeed. Thanks for the heads up, I'll keep my eye out for a sale that good before pulling the trigger. It does look like a quality piece of kit! |
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Post by poppaflavor on Jan 8, 2024 21:26:41 GMT -6
I'm trying a metal one now (Gator Frameworks Metal Screen Pop Filter). I just can't seem to find a fabric one that doesn't detrimentally impact the high end, and my homemade jobbers also suck the life out if the high end.
This metal one seems to preserve the high end much better, but I have yet to find the consistently correct angle that works best. When I get the inclined angle wrong I can catch some whistley aspects.
I think this one may work out for me with practice though.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 8, 2024 22:02:00 GMT -6
I'm trying a metal one now (Gator Frameworks Metal Screen Pop Filter). I just can't seem to find a fabric one that doesn't detrimentally impact the high end, and my homemade jobbers also suck the life out if the high end. This metal one seems to preserve the high end much better, but I have yet to find the consistently correct angle that works best. When I get the inclined angle wrong I can catch some whistley aspects. I think this one may work out for me with practice though. There are quite a few folks here at RGO who abandoned the metal screen type over various whistling artifacts. |
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Post by ragan on Jan 8, 2024 22:33:56 GMT -6
I’ve been using a Stedman metal filter for like 20 years. Every once in awhile I think about trying something else, but if it ain’t broke…etc.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 9, 2024 4:05:45 GMT -6
Good to know, your vocals are dialled in, maybe the singer has a little to do with it too ?  |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 9, 2024 4:07:35 GMT -6
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Post by mcirish on Jan 9, 2024 7:37:37 GMT -6
After trying to figure out the horrible whistling artifacts in a couple sessions on specific singers, I traced it to the Stedman. Stopped using them at that point. I'd rather deal with the slight super high end loss of nylon than the whistle. It might not be a problem for others but it drove me crazy. It was a sibilance that could not be tamed.
For an inexpensive pop filter, I'd go with a Popper Stopper. No issues with it but the Pauly has a better gooseneck and is smaller and less obtrusive.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 9, 2024 14:31:29 GMT -6
For an inexpensive pop filter, I'd go with a Popper Stopper. No issues with it but the Pauly has a better gooseneck and is smaller and less obtrusive. I've been using the same Popper Stopper for at least 20yrs now. I must've gotten a really good one. |
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Post by drumsound on Jan 9, 2024 17:03:05 GMT -6
For an inexpensive pop filter, I'd go with a Popper Stopper. No issues with it but the Pauly has a better gooseneck and is smaller and less obtrusive. I've been using the same Popper Stopper for at least 20yrs now. I must've gotten a really good one. I've got one that was at the studio I bought out 20+ years ago, and an On Stage from a local store that I picked up 18ish years ago when 2 singers wanted to sing at the same time. |
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Post by poppaflavor on Jan 10, 2024 14:38:38 GMT -6
After trying to figure out the horrible whistling artifacts in a couple sessions on specific singers, I traced it to the Stedman. Stopped using them at that point. I'd rather deal with the slight super high end loss of nylon than the whistle. It might not be a problem for others but it drove me crazy. It was a sibilance that could not be tamed. For an inexpensive pop filter, I'd go with a Popper Stopper. No issues with it but the Pauly has a better gooseneck and is smaller and less obtrusive. Yeah I get what you're saying with that. I've been wrestling with the whistle a bit. I probably shouldn't put too much time into trying to optimize it, but it does seem like there's some patterns. The metal pop filter I'm exploring now does not have a rubber, plastic or foam edge around the exterior part of the metal disc. It seems like the whistling gets worse if the vocalist starts vocalizing towards the edge of the disc. I'm going to put a foam ring around the outside of that metal disc to see if that helps to prevent the whistling that's happening at the edge of the disc. Alternatively I might just take the plunge and try that Stedman which has a ring around the outside of the disc. It may just end up being an expensive experiment but the good side is that if I can't get the Stedman to work for me I can just give up on metal discs forever. The other thing about the metal pop filter that seems to influence the whistle is the angle of inclination of the disc relative to the vocalists projected line of vocalization. When the disc is completely perpendicular, orthogonal, to the projected line of vocalization it seems that the whistling is not as bad as when the disc is inclined up, down, right or left relative to the linear projection of the vocalization from the vocalist. This latter observation may be the most difficult to compensate and the factor that makes the metal pop filter infeasible for my use. Even folks with good mic control and pop filter management would struggle if they couldn't angle their vocalizations from perpendicular to the disc, particularly if they're trying to achieve some off axis vocalizations. Anyhoo, I still feel it's worth some effort to explore at this point. I really like the transparency impurity of the sound when that darn whistle isn't tooting.:-) |
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