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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 6, 2014 18:50:29 GMT -6
anybody got one ? if so what do you think ?
I am warming to the idea but don't get the price tag ?
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jun 6, 2014 20:03:34 GMT -6
I played with one at GC the other day. It's a gadget in my estimation. It got old within seconds. But I'm used to a console. Might be just the ticket for some people.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 6, 2014 20:05:32 GMT -6
a real console modded like yours would be sweet; no doubt ! I do use pro tools so the integration intrigues but not 2500 intrigues  |
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Post by jeromemason on Jun 6, 2014 22:13:32 GMT -6
I just don't see how it could feel like a console honestly..... I've watched the vids and all, and touching a screen and pushing virtual faders up kinda freaks me out a little for some odd reason. I think really I like just having a HUI so I'm at least touching real faders, even though they are virtual, but still physical. I'll be interested to see how this is accepted in the audio world, but I don't see it taking over either straight up console or hybrid, just can't see it. But, I will say that Steve seems to really nail things and is a pretty good visionary.
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Post by svart on Jun 6, 2014 23:34:45 GMT -6
We had a thread on this a while back, but I'll add my thoughts here as well. I used to work for a company that used a lot of high end touch screens for special installations. Occasionally i was able to fix and keep a screen. I'd say i was one of the first in the late 90s to try using a large touch screen as an interface.
It sucked. It sucked so hard, my room became a singularity.
There was a novelty about it and everyone thought it was cool as shit, but it made my work slow down beyond compare. Trying to set faders with any kind of precision was impossible. Large fingers and small pixels don't work. Also, it's hard to set things on the screen with your hands in the way. I found myself constantly having to move my hands away to see my settings, and then guessing whether i was hitting them or not.. the next worse thing was typing.. you always had to bring up the on-screen-keyboard and then juggle the keyboard window and the boxes you are typing in.
Overall, i thought i was just cool as hell with a touch screen but after about a week i was ready to throw it in the dumpster.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 7, 2014 1:36:31 GMT -6
Of course the videos look cool but its that what's it really like question that you won't know till you try one if you like it ?
I don't have a console and am unlikely to buy one , but was thinking about a hui
It certainly seems that some are plunking down some big dough for multi large raven set Ups and nobody is forcing them to: some of the staff at pro tools expert use the 27 inch raven, if they have issues they aren't communicating them.
but that personal part of workflow is a huge factor in adoption or appreciation
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Post by warren on Jun 7, 2014 8:03:10 GMT -6
Honestly, I think if people wait just a little (not long), most manufactures will offer screens with lag times comparable if not better than the raven at a much lower cost. And if touchscreen will be the future, maybe, if it catches on, we'll see.
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Post by mikec on Jun 7, 2014 8:37:50 GMT -6
I've got one of the Raven Mti 27 inch systems. I love it. Probably one of the best things I've ever purchased for workflow. Probably depends on your set up as to how it works for each individual. I use a Metric Halo ULN8 as my interface and it integrates seamlessly with that and pro tools 11. I've been using it for a couple of months and no buyers remorse what so ever. Might be kind of expensive for a control surface, but if that is all you need and you have the money, I think it is well worth it.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 7, 2014 9:17:33 GMT -6
I think in time, we'll see well designed integration, analogue boards with all the features of a Raven available in a click. I can see a big screen in front combined with a smaller touch screen interface. It could be cool for things like setting plug-in parameters, using a mouse for everything gets tedious. A life-size GUI model of hardware might be easier than the mini versions we use now.
The next revolution in computers will be voice activation. Yes, we have it now, but it's not ready for prime time. I'd love to say something out loud like, UAD 1176 on channel 12, and pop, there it is. Then have the option to use a touch screen interface, mouse or voice commands.
I just don't see the Raven being the last word. I think eventually we'll see Raven like features in API's, Neve's etc.
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Post by mikec on Jun 7, 2014 9:33:48 GMT -6
I think in time, we'll see well designed integration, analogue boards with all the features of a Raven available in a click. I can see a big screen in front combined with a smaller touch screen interface. It could be cool for things like setting plug-in parameters, using a mouse for everything gets tedious. A life-size GUI model of hardware might be easier than the mini versions we use now. The next revolution in computers will be voice activation. Yes, we have it now, but it's not ready for prime time. I'd love to say something out loud like, UAD 1176 on channel 12, and pop, there it is. Then have the option to use a touch screen interface, mouse or voice commands. I just don't see the Raven being the last word. I think eventually we'll see Raven like features in API's, Neve's etc. I think voice commands for a DAW would be great and help my mixing tremendously. "Computer...Perfect Country Rock Mix", done and move on to the next one. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 7, 2014 9:45:51 GMT -6
Well, we're not that far away from that, although it's a sad scenario. The presets on certain plugs like UAD's Ampex 102 and Slate's VBC are kinda close, scroll through a few settings, and voila', there it is.. almost.
Still, it won't make a song that sucks, not suck.
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Post by nico on Jun 7, 2014 10:09:53 GMT -6
I don't get the pricetag either !? ipad + V-Control is more than 20 times cheaper - ok for a much smaller screen and monitoring/control surface -but you keep any screen you want plus have an ergonomic portable control ANYWHERE in the range of your wifi, which means from outside the CR - checking mix in hallway and adjust overal gain, or certain tracks at a distance - in the LiveRoom ( headphone mixes ) which the Raven can not do, and Raven based on V-control technology. My concern is stability/compatibility on the long run, as well as servicing price...I can imagine these screens not being cheap. More info from users?
regards, Nico
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 7, 2014 11:18:38 GMT -6
mikecI think you said it: it works really well for some: others may not appreciate it I hate the mouse so raven's multitouch and integration with pro tools (my daw) are interesting.
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Post by jimwilliams on Jun 7, 2014 11:21:42 GMT -6
Looks like a decent simulator. Might be a good training tool like a flight simulator.
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Post by mikec on Jun 7, 2014 11:34:28 GMT -6
mikecI think you said it: it works really well for some: others may not appreciate it I hate the mouse so raven's multitouch and integration with pro tools (my daw) are interesting. I easily use the mouse at least 75% less with the Raven. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 7, 2014 13:00:10 GMT -6
It's not - what's the word I'm looking for - "tactile"...You can't close your eyes and use it. That seems like a big drawback to me.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 8, 2014 8:50:38 GMT -6
hmm maybe, I'll just ask stevie wonder about that but what the hell does he know anyway ! ( he used the voice control!) |
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Post by warren on Jun 8, 2014 9:58:51 GMT -6
Wonder if in the future, slate will release just the software
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Post by donr on Jun 8, 2014 10:29:48 GMT -6
It's not - what's the word I'm looking for - "tactile"...You can't close your eyes and use it. That seems like a big drawback to me. I believe with the Raven, once you touch a fader or select a group of faders, as long as you keep your finger(s) on the screen, you can close your eyes and move them around without needing to remain over the original fader image. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 8, 2014 17:31:36 GMT -6
well its certainly a different type of tactile and certainly not like a traditional console!
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 8, 2014 17:43:09 GMT -6
...You can't close your eyes and use it. That seems like a big drawback to me. The only reason they took mixers out of racks in the 1920s was so that people could operate the controls while looking at something more important! |
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Post by henge on Jun 8, 2014 18:10:47 GMT -6
It's not - what's the word I'm looking for - "tactile"...You can't close your eyes and use it. That seems like a big drawback to me. I believe with the Raven, once you touch a fader or select a group of faders, as long as you keep your finger(s) on the screen, you can close your eyes and move them around without needing to remain over the original fader image. Yeah, you can grab a fader, close your eyes and go. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 9, 2014 8:38:47 GMT -6
The way I use a fader is with my other hand's thumb and forefinger setting and then adjusting a range as I work.
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Post by svart on Jun 9, 2014 8:51:48 GMT -6
They call this kind of thing "A product looking for a customer". It's a gadget which has great initial appeal but zero actual usefulness.
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Post by warren on Jun 9, 2014 10:33:55 GMT -6
I'm not sure the idea has zero usefulness. As more computers go to multitouch screens, it's only natural we'll see DAW manufacturers take advantage of the technology. I think as we see screens become more and more affordable, it'll be everywhere like the mouse and keyboard. But again, we'll see if it catches on with consumers. It is looking that way so far.
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