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Post by donr on Jun 9, 2014 11:30:12 GMT -6
The way I use a fader is with my other hand's thumb and forefinger setting and then adjusting a range as I work. Before automation, (even after automation) that's the method a couple of us would use assisting the engineer with fader moves mixing BOC records. The engineer would make marks on a piece of tape with the max-min range, and you'd put your left hand fingers at the stop points. |
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Post by svart on Jun 9, 2014 13:03:47 GMT -6
I'm not sure the idea has zero usefulness. As more computers go to multitouch screens, it's only natural we'll see DAW manufacturers take advantage of the technology. I think as we see screens become more and more affordable, it'll be everywhere like the mouse and keyboard. But again, we'll see if it catches on with consumers. It is looking that way so far. Well, like I said, I tried this in the 90's. it was a 20inch screen, back when they were worth 5000$+.. And DAWs just aren't made to work this way. There is a reason your phone/tablet has large icons and simple motions to do things, because that's the only way it works well. If you had to type in commands or go through menus, you'd be fed up in minutes with those devices. DAWs have lots of menus and fine adjustments to be made which can't be done in the finger widths of humans. I'll mention it again, using your hands gets in the way of what you are doing. You can't see positioning and there is zero perceptible feedback on a flat surface, so you have to move your hands to see what you are doing. It multiplies the time you take to do simple things by at least 5x. So why spend thousands on something that increases the time it takes to do simple tasks? That's just silly, and has zero usefulness. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 9, 2014 14:45:59 GMT -6
Exactly, there is really nothing new about it. Somebody was doing exactly this at the AES show in the late '90s. Worse, touch screen performance is one of the few areas computer manufacturers can improve as a means of driving desktop sales. This means in another year or two all desktop computers will probably have touchscreens and there's a very good chance of an iMac outperforming it. It's sitting directly in the crosshairs of Moore's Law.
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Post by donr on Jun 9, 2014 15:33:27 GMT -6
Anybody watch the Raven V.2 video? New batch processing features are useful tools for modern production. I admire Slate, because I think they innovate in their niche, make some stellar products, and they take chances with stuff like the Raven and their studio monitors.
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Post by adogg4629 on Jun 12, 2014 13:10:21 GMT -6
Wonder if in the future, slate will release just the software I tried to list this as a new topic, but it was ignored. It does fit in nicely with your musings about a software only Raven. Dtouch A software only Raven. So far it's PT and PC only, but they've announced Mac and Cubeace in the coming months. A pic of the mixer (It looks nearly identical to the PR mixer save for a few new buttons and the toolbar:  Feature Wise it's nearly identical to the Raven. It runs on a 27 inch touch screen monitor you can purchase online for around 5-700 bucks. They tested it with the Acer T272HL and are testing it now with the DELL P2714T, but no info on that yet. The software is about 200 euros. If you go over to that "other" board, you can see SS and Silvano Bettinzana getting into a bitchfest about whose system is better (including Slate's video demonstrating both). My own opinion is that I'd rather spend around 700-1k then 2.3k. Plus, I like this interface better. The only thing that sucks here is that you're still in the banking-verse. here's a video AD |
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Post by warren on Jun 12, 2014 15:24:39 GMT -6
Yeah, I think a standalone software will be more appealing in the future. This DTouch looks interesting, looks pricey though and no OSX support yet.
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Post by adogg4629 on Jun 12, 2014 16:22:40 GMT -6
Yeah, I think a standalone software will be more appealing in the future. This DTouch looks interesting, looks pricey though and no OSX support yet. Pricey? It's $271. Compared with $2300 for the Raven MTi. Yes, you have to supply your own Touchscreen, but I'm seeing some of the Acer's for $349 on ebay. I myself would rather get the Dell though. 8ms touch response as opposed to 25ms. One of the things I like about how this is rolling out is how Silvano actively implements user suggestions into the product and thus far has been really good about bug fixes. SS has a bad track record with both of those. He's great at promises, but bad on delivery. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 12, 2014 16:36:52 GMT -6
He's great at promises, but bad on delivery. ^Gem. I have only seen the first half of the video thus far, but it looks promising. At this point, I'm still not sure how much touch screen control I need beyond what the V-control Pro can give me. I can see it being more handy in tracking than mixing actually. Touching around to arm tracks and stuff would be nicer than mousing, but I think a physical control surface with a real fader would be better for old school automation and stuff. How much does the Dell go for? Do you think this would be useful during mixing? I imagine that you're running a ton of tracks for film stuff right? |
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Post by warren on Jun 12, 2014 16:41:33 GMT -6
Yeah, it's basically just shortcuts. Wouldn't pay more than 100 bucks for that. Also, isn't there an ipad app that does the same thing for like 50 bucks? At any rate, as multitouch is embraced by more DAWs, they'll be implement into the software and you wouldn't need third party software. So I'd just wait and see how it goes, this is not something that's so critical to me that I have to jump on it this second.
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Post by adogg4629 on Jun 12, 2014 16:56:25 GMT -6
^Gem. I have only seen the first half of the video thus far, but it looks promising. At this point, I'm still not sure how much touch screen control I need beyond what the V-control Pro can give me. I can see it being more handy in tracking than mixing actually. Touching around to arm tracks and stuff would be nicer than mousing, but I think a physical control surface with a real fader would be better for old school automation and stuff. How much does the Dell go for? Do you think this would be useful during mixing? I imagine that you're running a ton of tracks for film stuff right? I asked Silvano for two features. One for a "lite" version that would basically be like a V-control. He said no to that "DTouch was born to run on the Pro Tools computer. It isn't an "external" application like V-Control Pro, but it is integrated in the PT GUI." I also asked him to work some UI magic to find a way to have a sort of mini mixer that can be used for automation while staying in the edit window. I haven't heard back from him on that. I agree with you on the physical control surface, and the D-touch does a cool sort of trick by working with physical control surfaces. I have a feeling that this is because they developed it to work with their GRANDE modular controller which they couldn't get to work with Avid (no SDK for Eucon available). This overlay may have been their ingenious work around that they are releasing as its own thing (especially since they don't have to be beholden to programming for HUI, Icon or Eucon). As far as working with a huge track count, the Jury's out. With music, it's easier to get in and "feel" the faders. But with over 160 tracks and multiple guys working on them, "feeling" starts becoming a bit relative. I myself only do an automation move when I can't get what I want any other way. Then, it's a matter of dealing with one or two elements at a time, so being able to bring up a fader now and again to do a quick and dirty move would be choice. On the other hand, I know guys who are wizzes with the faders and they'd love this. The Dells are around $5-600 |
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Post by wiz on Jun 12, 2014 17:15:43 GMT -6
re great at promises bad at delivery...
SLATEed for delivery
8)
cheers
Wiz
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Post by adogg4629 on Jun 12, 2014 18:18:23 GMT -6
re great at promises bad at delivery... SLATEed for delivery 8) cheers Wiz heh... well played sir. cheers |
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Post by jimwilliams on Jun 13, 2014 9:19:41 GMT -6
Vaporware for simulated audio?
I'll just dream instead. It's cheaper and has instant delivery.
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Post by adogg4629 on Jun 13, 2014 16:45:33 GMT -6
Slate Virtual Vaporware. It will change the way you do nothing forever!
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