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Post by jaba on Sept 19, 2022 13:35:52 GMT -6
I haven't used many of the lesser-known mics mentioned here but have used an SM-2 for years.
Wonderful on piano, drums (room and even OH a few times).
Also great on shakers,etc. The tight stereo field can place it very nicely in a mix.
I've also used it in mono many times, mostly acoustic guitar.
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Post by Ward on Sept 19, 2022 18:20:01 GMT -6
SNIP . . . The M582 is a great all-arounder. It's a fabulous microphone! |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Sept 19, 2022 20:49:15 GMT -6
SNIP . . . The M582 is a great all-arounder. It's a fabulous microphone! Yup. The Gillian Welch guitar mic. Dave’s is a C37. To me they just sound like the truth. (Sometimes M49) |
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Post by ericn on Sept 19, 2022 21:36:23 GMT -6
It's a fabulous microphone! Yup. The Gillian Welch guitar mic. Dave’s is a C37. To me they just sound like the truth. (Sometimes M49) . Of course they can always slum it and use that pair of 49s! |
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Post by dvdpaulin on Sept 21, 2022 18:32:07 GMT -6
I’ve got a U64 that I’ve had for a couple years and I love it. Great for any acoustic stringed instruments. From what I understand (correct me if I’m wrong) it’s the same or similar capsule as a KM84 but it is a nuvistor tube circuit. Or a KM64 with a nuvistor instead of an AC701 I guess.
At least the tubes are still available and not expensive (yet)
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Post by Ward on Sept 22, 2022 6:45:12 GMT -6
It's a fabulous microphone! Yup. The Gillian Welch guitar mic. Dave’s is a C37. To me they just sound like the truth. (Sometimes M49) We need to include more of the Gefell Neumann's in this conversation. They aren't just the poor cousins . . . The 930 940 950 800 900 290 300 numbers are all amazing today, and as for sleepers . . . don't forget a UM57 that has been really cleaned up and serviced properly. |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Sept 22, 2022 8:33:23 GMT -6
Yup. The Gillian Welch guitar mic. Dave’s is a C37. To me they just sound like the truth. (Sometimes M49) We need to include more of the Gefell Neumann's in this conversation. They aren't just the poor cousins . . . The 930 940 950 800 900 290 300 numbers are all amazing today, and as for sleepers . . . don't forget a UM57 that has been really cleaned up and serviced properly. Really wished I had picked up a pair of UM57’s when they were the ugly step brother that nobody wanted or wanted to work on. They’ve shot up quite a bit the past 5 years. |
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Post by drbill on Sept 22, 2022 11:41:53 GMT -6
We need to include more of the Gefell Neumann's in this conversation. They aren't just the poor cousins . . . The 930 940 950 800 900 290 300 numbers are all amazing today, and as for sleepers . . . don't forget a UM57 that has been really cleaned up and serviced properly. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yup! If you're talking "Neumann Sleepers", then essentially you're talking about Gefell mics. |
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Post by chessparov on Sept 22, 2022 11:47:58 GMT -6
How about Gefell sleepers?  BTW I just heard about the greatest Neumann Sleeper of all time. Bar none! It's the 87 that records Kenny G.  Chris |
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Post by drbill on Sept 22, 2022 13:35:22 GMT -6
How about Gefell sleepers? In the large scheme of things, they are pretty much all sleepers. Although the folks in the know have discovered and started preaching Gefell. But still, compared to Neumann, AKG, Shure, Sennheiser, etc. they are pretty under the radar.... |
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Post by ericn on Sept 22, 2022 14:00:27 GMT -6
How about Gefell sleepers? In the large scheme of things, they are pretty much all sleepers. Although the folks in the know have discovered and started preaching Gefell. But still, compared to Neumann, AKG, Shure, Sennheiser, etc. they are pretty under the radar.... First rule of Gefell fans we don’t talk about Gefell because it only raises the price. 😎 Seriously though at this point even with the shared origin / history, personally I don’t consider Gefell to be Neumann, in my eyes it ends with Neumann adopting the K 47 and Gefell continuing with the M7 and other capsule development. With Gefell you can find almost the entire catalog at prices that are far less than that of a good kidney or lung. As much as Gefell is proud of it’s shared lineage they for obvious legal reasons they try to distance themselves from Neumann/ Senn. In fact at one point Sennhiser would not let Gefell dealers sell Neumann. Yeah it’s politics, but it’s the politics of gear. Of Course if it keeps the prices in the range below that of a used car let’s abide by it🥸 |
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Post by chessparov on Sept 22, 2022 14:31:28 GMT -6
My limited experience with trying out the M930...
Leads me to believe the MG's are probably/usually on the "clean/full" side of the fence.
But it was only on the Transformerless version.
Chris
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Post by Hudsonic on Sept 23, 2022 8:20:35 GMT -6
U-89 freak here. Also TLM 170 freak.
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Post by chessparov on Sept 23, 2022 8:36:28 GMT -6
How about 193?
Thanks, Chris
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Post by dvdpaulin on Nov 8, 2022 16:35:25 GMT -6
Question for the ones who have responded mentioning M582s. Do you guys use them on drum overheads? I’m sure they would sound great, I guess I’m more asking do you feel comfortable putting them up in that application? Nickel capsules and no pad makes me wary of using mine there
M62 capsules are what I have with mine
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Post by sean on Nov 9, 2022 7:35:26 GMT -6
Question for the ones who have responded mentioning M582s. Do you guys use them on drum overheads? I’m sure they would sound great, I guess I’m more asking do you feel comfortable putting them up in that application? Nickel capsules and no pad makes me wary of using mine there M62 capsules are what I have with mine You shouldn't have any problem using them as overheads. You might overload the electronics if it's a really loud drummer, but you aren't going to damage the capsule. Usually what causes damage is a strong burst of air that causes them to collapse...the death of most kick drum microphones is from being placed where the air burst coming from the port in the head is hitting the capsule. Or being dropped. Microphones don't like that haha |
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Post by reddirt on Nov 10, 2022 22:45:51 GMT -6
When the 170 came out , the place I was working at got one - just an all round unhyped great mic.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by christophert on Nov 11, 2022 4:20:03 GMT -6
A U89i with a killer mic preamp, like a Chandler TG, or API 312 / Capi Heider / Neve - gained up, is an amazing combo for vocals.
I did an album in the countryside where I had no access to all of my studio fave mics, only a U89 and some killer preamps.
The vocalist (millions selling) still says its one of the best vocal sounds he has ever got.
For me its all about these combos interacting:
Voice / mic / distance to mic / preamp.
Compression is the icing after the cake is made.
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Post by paulcheeba on Nov 14, 2022 21:02:16 GMT -6
SM69 tube are magical and used to be 2 k not that long ago. I bought 2 kept the mint one and also had a couple of fet versions which also sound great.
They sound better than 67’s and 87’s and can still be had for less.
Also beat out a C24 most days.
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Post by mamm7215 on Nov 16, 2022 11:38:53 GMT -6
Including Max Mod! IMHO the TLM 102 qualifies as a Sleeper. BGV's and occasional Lead. Chris This! I haven't tried the grail mics but my TLM102 suits me perfectly and I don't think about mics anymore. I'm not a big pro studio, just an indie guy, but the 102 ticks all my boxes. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2022 14:47:33 GMT -6
I've been using the KM184 on vox recently and I really like the results...
I'll grab my coat.
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Post by notneeson on Nov 17, 2022 9:11:21 GMT -6
I've been using the KM184 on vox recently and I really like the results... I'll grab my coat. Haven’t tried that, and without wishing to stir up km184 naysayers (because I have gotten great sounds with them on several instruments) I would add that a km84 can be an exceptional vocal mic. |
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Post by Ward on Nov 17, 2022 9:30:26 GMT -6
I've been using the KM184 on vox recently and I really like the results... I'll grab my coat. You could make an entire record with a KMS 84 or two. They have become one of my absolute favorite all-rounders. I have 3 of them. Vocals, acoustic guitars, banjo, mandolin, snares, percussion etc. |
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Post by LazyOldSun on Nov 19, 2022 1:17:03 GMT -6
Nothing wrong with a km84 on electric guitar either. Sounds great on a jangly old ac30.. which by the way is not ripping heads off thx to the fryette power station. A great way to tame an ac30.
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Post by dvdpaulin on Nov 19, 2022 13:33:03 GMT -6
Question for the ones who have responded mentioning M582s. Do you guys use them on drum overheads? I’m sure they would sound great, I guess I’m more asking do you feel comfortable putting them up in that application? Nickel capsules and no pad makes me wary of using mine there M62 capsules are what I have with mine You shouldn't have any problem using them as overheads. You might overload the electronics if it's a really loud drummer, but you aren't going to damage the capsule. Usually what causes damage is a strong burst of air that causes them to collapse...the death of most kick drum microphones is from being placed where the air burst coming from the port in the head is hitting the capsule. Or being dropped. Microphones don't like that haha Thanks Sean! |
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