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Post by drumsound on Apr 28, 2022 9:46:37 GMT -6
Which am I? Which are YOU? Well after running both of your credit Scores Tony, we all be dead ! Truth |
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 28, 2022 10:03:18 GMT -6
That all may be true, but tying the hardware to the program makes for the absolute best recording experience regarding latency and ease of use with HDX. Not saying it’s the only way to make records, but it really makes things easy. And comes at a cost unfortunately. An HDX rig is a beast. Avid just decided not to scale it down and offers a crippled for lack of a better word Native version in it's place. No ping. Light years behind Reaper and Logic in efficiency. What they should've done is scale down HDX. Less DSP in a cheaper box or card like UAD and run it partly native. The Pro Tools Carbon is a first but the RTL is bleh and it's 4k. They should've went like RME where the Babyface still gives you the real RME performance for two channels and still 1k. But the Carbon is more than a UFX+ that can run MADI for ridiculous channel counts and still has low RTL You mean HD native? Or now HDX hybrid? which works great. Ultimate runs awesome natively. Also to the point on tying to hardware. Thats not even an argument IMO. UAD does that for plugins and now also a DAW and they are doing great. Celebrated even. And by doing so Avid can garrentee it works as they designed it. Which HDX does. Every time. |
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 28, 2022 14:09:31 GMT -6
Avid changed everything again. Not like 'they changed the game' more like 'they changed the name' Pro Tools Artist - It ain't Free, but it is limited to 32 tracks, so if you've missed LE, they've got you covered. Pro Tools Studio - Vanilla, now in surround sound, plus the missing big boy automation modes and clip fx. Pro Tools Flex - Bundle that includes Ultimate for the requisite HDX compatibility and... not much else. Will be updating my 'Studio' license for the Carbon tweaks, surround routing, automation and clip fx additions, oh and of course the SynthCell and GrooveCell VIs, virtual SampleCell throwbacks. Amazingly, it still supports my 2012 Mini and 2014 MBP. Would it be reasonalbe to say, Studio = Cubase Pro Flex = Nuendo ?? In terms of flagship vs solid project studio. I'm just trying to get a handle on the current Avid offering - thanks. |
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Post by subspace on Apr 28, 2022 15:59:24 GMT -6
Avid changed everything again. Not like 'they changed the game' more like 'they changed the name' Pro Tools Artist - It ain't Free, but it is limited to 32 tracks, so if you've missed LE, they've got you covered. Pro Tools Studio - Vanilla, now in surround sound, plus the missing big boy automation modes and clip fx. Pro Tools Flex - Bundle that includes Ultimate for the requisite HDX compatibility and... not much else. Will be updating my 'Studio' license for the Carbon tweaks, surround routing, automation and clip fx additions, oh and of course the SynthCell and GrooveCell VIs, virtual SampleCell throwbacks. Amazingly, it still supports my 2012 Mini and 2014 MBP. Would it be reasonalbe to say, Studio = Cubase Pro Flex = Nuendo ?? In terms of flagship vs solid project studio. I'm just trying to get a handle on the current Avid offering - thanks. I don't really know what differentiates the Cubendo line, just have an Elements license which I guess would be the Artist equivalent? Artist is basically a track limited version of the old standard product, with 16 inputs and 32 tracks ala LE. Studio was the big winner in this repackage, inheriting the most desirable Ultimate music features for surround, automation, and clip fx from Ultimate, while being a free update for standard perpetual owners with current support plans. Ultimate owners got very little, as the Flex plan is a new subscription only offering that includes Ultimate, but the extras are packaged outside the Ultimate software itself, so just for new subscribers. This is the level you have to own to use HDX systems outside of Carbon. I downloaded the SynthCell and GrooveCell VIs after the licenses were deposited to my account and they worked fine on 2021.12 without upgrading, will most likely load 2022.4 over the weekend to try the new features out. |
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Post by Quint on Apr 28, 2022 16:17:22 GMT -6
Would it be reasonalbe to say, Studio = Cubase Pro Flex = Nuendo ?? In terms of flagship vs solid project studio. I'm just trying to get a handle on the current Avid offering - thanks. I don't really know what differentiates the Cubendo line, just have an Elements license which I guess would be the Artist equivalent? Artist is basically a track limited version of the old standard product, with 16 inputs and 32 tracks ala LE. Studio was the big winner in this repackage, inheriting the most desirable Ultimate music features for surround, automation, and clip fx from Ultimate, while being a free update for standard perpetual owners with current support plans. Ultimate owners got very little, as the Flex plan is a new subscription only offering that includes Ultimate, but the extras are packaged outside the Ultimate software itself, so just for new subscribers. This is the level you have to own to use HDX systems outside of Carbon. I downloaded the SynthCell and GrooveCell VIs after the licenses were deposited to my account and they worked fine on 2021.12 without upgrading, will most likely load 2022.4 over the weekend to try the new features out. Is Carbon still limited to a single, non-cascadable unit? That always seemed like a huge oversight, though, knowing Avid, it was probably intended to force people to spend up on more expensive hardware if they wanted more I/O. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 28, 2022 16:21:09 GMT -6
I don't really know what differentiates the Cubendo line, just have an Elements license which I guess would be the Artist equivalent? Artist is basically a track limited version of the old standard product, with 16 inputs and 32 tracks ala LE. Studio was the big winner in this repackage, inheriting the most desirable Ultimate music features for surround, automation, and clip fx from Ultimate, while being a free update for standard perpetual owners with current support plans. Ultimate owners got very little, as the Flex plan is a new subscription only offering that includes Ultimate, but the extras are packaged outside the Ultimate software itself, so just for new subscribers. This is the level you have to own to use HDX systems outside of Carbon. I downloaded the SynthCell and GrooveCell VIs after the licenses were deposited to my account and they worked fine on 2021.12 without upgrading, will most likely load 2022.4 over the weekend to try the new features out. Is Carbon still limited to a single, non-cascadable unit? That always seemed like a huge oversight, though, knowing Avid, it was probably intended to force people to spend up on more expensive hardware if they wanted more I/O. For now yes Carbon is only 1 unit. You can expand I/O via the other ports. ADAT mainly. But Carbon is just an interface. It doesn't give you anything extra that some other unit wouldn't. The Hybrid engine works no matter what kind of HDX interface you have. That said, I do agree that its a shame. Hopefully that changes in the future. |
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Post by drbill on Apr 28, 2022 17:04:34 GMT -6
Stupid question-I've toyed with the idea of going HDX for a while. Looking at the specs of an HDX card, it says it has 64 I/O. How would you get 64 in and outs hooked to one card? Each card has 2 output slots. Out slot #1 into HD16 #1, loop out of HD16 #1 into HD16 #2....then Out slot #2 into HD16 #3, loop out of HD16 #3 into HD16 #4. 64 i/o. Double it with 2 cards, triple it with 3 cards. I think 2 is enough for me, although I have it currently maxed out. LOL |
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Post by drbill on Apr 28, 2022 17:08:50 GMT -6
Oh, and yeah drumsound - we're both billionaires, right?  . Let's go warm up our 17 vintage U47's and record some shakers!!! I'll fire up the jet and be right over for our Atmos shaker duet session. Haha!! I'll be ready! |
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Post by craigmorris74 on Apr 28, 2022 21:54:34 GMT -6
Stupid question-I've toyed with the idea of going HDX for a while. Looking at the specs of an HDX card, it says it has 64 I/O. How would you get 64 in and outs hooked to one card? Each card has 2 output slots. Out slot #1 into HD16 #1, loop out of HD16 #1 into HD16 #2....then Out slot #2 into HD16 #3, loop out of HD16 #3 into HD16 #4. 64 i/o. Double it with 2 cards, triple it with 3 cards. I think 2 is enough for me, although I have it currently maxed out. LOL Gotcha. Exactly the info I was looking for. |
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Post by tasteliketape on Apr 28, 2022 22:23:49 GMT -6
ReSynced my Avid account and there where new plugin updates . Some that were not updated a week or so ago 2022.2 update.
Also they added all the Avid pro plugins to my account.
Edit: I have a perpetual license not subscription
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Post by drumsound on Apr 29, 2022 11:30:24 GMT -6
I’ve been running it all day on my Mac studio . No problems so far maybe the first PT update I’ve done that’s been bug free (so far) Pt studio now has Heat added . Designed in conjunction with Dave Hill. I was working on a mix yesterday and remembered this post. I got Heat going and I think it really added to this mix. |
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Post by ericn on Apr 29, 2022 18:30:37 GMT -6
Is Carbon still limited to a single, non-cascadable unit? That always seemed like a huge oversight, though, knowing Avid, it was probably intended to force people to spend up on more expensive hardware if they wanted more I/O. For now yes Carbon is only 1 unit. You can expand I/O via the other ports. ADAT mainly. But Carbon is just an interface. It doesn't give you anything extra that some other unit wouldn't. The Hybrid engine works no matter what kind of HDX interface you have. That said, I do agree that its a shame. Hopefully that changes in the future. I wouldn’t hold my breath for carbon expandability, it sits in a very well carved Niche. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 29, 2022 19:39:28 GMT -6
For now yes Carbon is only 1 unit. You can expand I/O via the other ports. ADAT mainly. But Carbon is just an interface. It doesn't give you anything extra that some other unit wouldn't. The Hybrid engine works no matter what kind of HDX interface you have. That said, I do agree that its a shame. Hopefully that changes in the future. I wouldn’t hold my breath for carbon expandability, it sits in a very well carved Niche. yeah im not. They have already mentioned it as something they would work towards. But i don't personally care. I'm running all HDX hardware anyways. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 29, 2022 19:40:08 GMT -6
I’ve been running it all day on my Mac studio . No problems so far maybe the first PT update I’ve done that’s been bug free (so far) Pt studio now has Heat added . Designed in conjunction with Dave Hill. I was working on a mix yesterday and remembered this post. I got Heat going and I think it really added to this mix. was also pleasantly surprised to see Heat added to my accounts. Which it never has been with perpetual licenses. |
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Post by EmRR on Apr 30, 2022 6:36:08 GMT -6
Geez I just went through reading about all the variations 10 days ago, now to do it again…..
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Post by brenta on Apr 30, 2022 9:05:02 GMT -6
I was working on a mix yesterday and remembered this post. I got Heat going and I think it really added to this mix. was also pleasantly surprised to see Heat added to my accounts. Which it never has been with perpetual licenses. Do you know if it will still work if you let your “support plan” lapse? I’m trying to figure out which of these bundled extras only work with an active support plan and which ones are actually perpetual. My plan is active now but I don’t plan on paying a monthly fee forever. |
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Post by subspace on Apr 30, 2022 9:39:19 GMT -6
was also pleasantly surprised to see Heat added to my accounts. Which it never has been with perpetual licenses. Do you know if it will still work if you let your “support plan” lapse? I’m trying to figure out which of these bundled extras only work with an active support plan and which ones are actually perpetual. My plan is active now but I don’t plan on paying a monthly fee forever. I have two perpetual 'Studio' licenses, one with an active support plan and one without. The additional Complete Plug-in Bundle, HEAT and Falcon licenses are only available for the duration of the one active support plan. Since the Complete Plug-in Bundle has 3 activations it works for both rigs, but I had to choose one for the HEAT license. I took UVI up on their $100 Falcon upgrade offer for current PT license holders when Avid announced their bundled license would not be renewing, so now have two activations for that as well. |
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Post by brenta on Apr 30, 2022 11:34:15 GMT -6
Do you know if it will still work if you let your “support plan” lapse? I’m trying to figure out which of these bundled extras only work with an active support plan and which ones are actually perpetual. My plan is active now but I don’t plan on paying a monthly fee forever. I have two perpetual 'Studio' licenses, one with an active support plan and one without. The additional Complete Plug-in Bundle, HEAT and Falcon licenses are only available for the duration of the one active support plan. Since the Complete Plug-in Bundle has 3 activations it works for both rigs, but I had to choose one for the HEAT license. I took UVI up on their $100 Falcon upgrade offer for current PT license holders when Avid announced their bundled license would not be renewing, so now have two activations for that as well. That's good information, thanks. I don't like installing anything that's not permanent. |
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Post by drumsound on Apr 30, 2022 23:17:10 GMT -6
was also pleasantly surprised to see Heat added to my accounts. Which it never has been with perpetual licenses. Do you know if it will still work if you let your “support plan” lapse? I’m trying to figure out which of these bundled extras only work with an active support plan and which ones are actually perpetual. My plan is active now but I don’t plan on paying a monthly fee forever. If you don't want to be stuck in the subscription only land, you need to purchase or upgrade a perpetual license. Once current perpetual licenses are gone/sold out, they won't be offered again. But there will ALWAYS (grain of salt) be a perpetual update path. |
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Post by the other mark williams on May 1, 2022 10:45:56 GMT -6
Do you know if it will still work if you let your “support plan” lapse? I’m trying to figure out which of these bundled extras only work with an active support plan and which ones are actually perpetual. My plan is active now but I don’t plan on paying a monthly fee forever. If you don't want to be stuck in the subscription only land, you need to purchase or upgrade a perpetual license. Once current perpetual licenses are gone/sold out, they won't be offered again. But there will ALWAYS (grain of salt) be a perpetual update path. Thanks for explaining it so straightforwardly (sure, that's a word), Tony. To someone currently outside the PT ecosystem, this has been a confusing switch. Every now and then, I consider dipping my toes back into the PT world after many years with Logic. But there is no way I will go back to PT if it's subscription-only. |
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Post by brenta on May 1, 2022 11:03:21 GMT -6
Do you know if it will still work if you let your “support plan” lapse? I’m trying to figure out which of these bundled extras only work with an active support plan and which ones are actually perpetual. My plan is active now but I don’t plan on paying a monthly fee forever. If you don't want to be stuck in the subscription only land, you need to purchase or upgrade a perpetual license. Once current perpetual licenses are gone/sold out, they won't be offered again. But there will ALWAYS (grain of salt) be a perpetual update path. Yep, I upgraded my perpetual this past Black Friday when they had a sale going. My "support" plan runs through December of this year and I have no intention of renewing it after that. I don't want to install anything that will stop functioning after my support plan lapses. |
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Post by mike on May 1, 2022 18:33:44 GMT -6
If you don't want to be stuck in the subscription only land, you need to purchase or upgrade a perpetual license. Once current perpetual licenses are gone/sold out, they won't be offered again. But there will ALWAYS (grain of salt) be a perpetual update path. Yep, I upgraded my perpetual this past Black Friday when they had a sale going. My "support" plan runs through December of this year and I have no intention of renewing it after that. I don't want to install anything that will stop functioning after my support plan lapses.
I did the same |
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Post by aremos on May 3, 2022 20:45:35 GMT -6
I don't pay $1000 a year. Every 2-3-4 years I buy a new perpetual license or upgrade my existing one when I need it - usually at a killer "deal". That's exactly what I do. |
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