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Post by Johnkenn on May 6, 2022 5:54:30 GMT -6
No, just mouse and keyboard Don’t know if this will make any difference, but I had to go to settings and audio/midi in The software and select my controller. |
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Post by sean on May 6, 2022 5:58:17 GMT -6
I'll give that a try. I figured I'd do a fresh uninstall/reinstall this morning as well. With 2, I didn't have to change any settings but I'll try that as well
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Post by kcatthedog on May 7, 2022 15:38:15 GMT -6
A good Bandmate video:
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Post by kcatthedog on May 7, 2022 16:41:30 GMT -6
Another good Bandmate demo video:
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Post by popmann on May 7, 2022 18:32:22 GMT -6
Big issue I noticed is it doesn't seem to detect swing at ALL...which doesn't give me a lot of confidence this will be that useful. I need to check again, but I think that may be why I have better luck starting with Music Memos than Logic's Smart Tempo. Smart Tempo gets the TEMPO MAP fine, but the subsequent Drummer regions don't really work OFF the detection. I mean "follow" will bend it towards the swing you played...but, something happens in Music Memo's autogenerated Drummer sections that ALSO autofinds say a 20% 16th note swing...I end up using a LOT of those "custom" beats that come from MM's analysis...and manipulating them in Logic...where if I start in Logic and jsut pick a drummer--it's playing really straight until I dial in the swing manually--which sometimes just sounds like it's following poorly...not that I need to tweak the swing percentage ...
This looks like a tool best suited for guitarists who write a "riff"...and want a beat loop for THAT...vs the Logic Drummer, which can more take the WHOLE song...section changes, etc...and build a drum part with transitions and such. nothing wrong with that...lots of people probably do that.
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Post by sirthought on May 8, 2022 2:38:04 GMT -6
Big issue I noticed is it doesn't seem to detect swing at ALL...which doesn't give me a lot of confidence this will be that useful. Well there are styles in the library that are inherently more swing oriented. And you nudge the AI towards a style selection. When you drop audio in there just pick something for the style with more swing options. I haven't tried this myself for a swing feel, I'd think a blues shuffle or big band swing could be a starter. |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 8, 2022 4:26:20 GMT -6
The video plays a swing at 100%, compared to straight time,it sure sounded like swing to me .
The ai responding to the transient of what ever file you load would be key. So , pick which ever had the best feel for your ai analysis master track ti set the time .
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Post by wiz on May 12, 2022 18:08:15 GMT -6
So how is bandmate working out for you guys?
Its probably the only feature that interests me (I own SD3 and use Logic Drummer). Anyone who uses logic drummer using EZD3 and finding it better/faster/easier..... The great thing about Logics Drummer is that it can do an entire song arrangement including fills and variations from verse chorus bridge etc instantly... and its pretty easier to adjust the fills, by just splitting the region in the last bar of a section and sliding a knob around to change the fill till you find something you like. Also changing styles is instant as well...
Are you finding EZD3 better at creating finished drum parts?
Interesting in the pricing at 175 and Logic Pro X at 199, shows what value Logic is for Mac users...
cheers
Wiz
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Post by kcatthedog on May 12, 2022 19:14:18 GMT -6
I’ve been watching the ezd3 bandmate videos but am not sold on it vs logic drummer.
Production expert has a clip using bandmate on a mix: interesting but not compelling: I didn’t buy.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 12, 2022 20:17:04 GMT -6
Don’t know about band mate, but I played around with it last week and got some really cool tones with the bright room. Then pulled up Legacy of Rock expecting it to blow EZ3 away. And…it didn’t.
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Post by popmann on May 13, 2022 12:09:37 GMT -6
So how is bandmate working out for you guys? Its probably the only feature that interests me (I own SD3 and use Logic Drummer). Anyone who uses logic drummer using EZD3 and finding it better/faster/easier..... The great thing about Logics Drummer is that it can do an entire song arrangement including fills and variations from verse chorus bridge etc instantly... and its pretty easier to adjust the fills, by just splitting the region in the last bar of a section and sliding a knob around to change the fill till you find something you like. Also changing styles is instant as well... Are you finding EZD3 better at creating finished drum parts? Doesn't even have the capacity. This is more aimed at people who don't "get" the Logic Drummer....because they don't play linear songs. It allows you to come up with a guitar riff (only)...import it, pick a beat and use Song Builder from THERE--to inspire the rest of the writing session. Where Logic Drummer's AI strength is that it can lay out an entire drum part, start to finish for a recorded song. This isn't really AI. It's just doing a hitpoint detection and using it as search criteria (just tap2Find with audio input). Nothing wrong with that--it's just a very different tool for a very different workflow. Probably the more popular one--as when I tell people about Logic Drummer, I get a nearly universal "wait--you play the whole song, start to finish? i usually just record an idea and start building in the DAW"---and for THAT...the Bandmate thing is a better fit, probably. For me, what I'll call an "old school sit at the piano and write the song songwriter"...it's of limited use. Also note: it doesn't seem to even ATTEMPT to tempo map dragged audio...so, it's also a guitar riff you wrote and then record TO a click or there's a setting I missed. |
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Post by notneeson on May 13, 2022 12:12:34 GMT -6
Don’t know about band mate, but I played around with it last week and got some really cool tones with the bright room. Then pulled up Legacy of Rock expecting it to blow EZ3 away. And…it didn’t. Man, SD3 should really get those sounds, it’s unfortunate that the flagship product lacks things offered in the feature limited version. |
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Post by sirthought on May 14, 2022 4:39:03 GMT -6
So how is bandmate working out for you guys? Not sure I follow you here. You can type in your BPM if you want. But it also suggests multiple tempos it thinks suits the material. Either way, once you select one tempo you can start building the finished parts. It's not like Logic where you can attempt to sync different tracks, but that's not its job. |
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on May 14, 2022 4:40:57 GMT -6
So how is bandmate working out for you guys? Its probably the only feature that interests me (I own SD3 and use Logic Drummer). Anyone who uses logic drummer using EZD3 and finding it better/faster/easier..... The great thing about Logics Drummer is that it can do an entire song arrangement including fills and variations from verse chorus bridge etc instantly... and its pretty easier to adjust the fills, by just splitting the region in the last bar of a section and sliding a knob around to change the fill till you find something you like. Also changing styles is instant as well... Are you finding EZD3 better at creating finished drum parts? Doesn't even have the capacity. This is more aimed at people who don't "get" the Logic Drummer....because they don't play linear songs. It allows you to come up with a guitar riff (only)...import it, pick a beat and use Song Builder from THERE--to inspire the rest of the writing session. Where Logic Drummer's AI strength is that it can lay out an entire drum part, start to finish for a recorded song. This isn't really AI. It's just doing a hitpoint detection and using it as search criteria (just tap2Find with audio input). Nothing wrong with that--it's just a very different tool for a very different workflow. Probably the more popular one--as when I tell people about Logic Drummer, I get a nearly universal "wait--you play the whole song, start to finish? i usually just record an idea and start building in the DAW"---and for THAT...the Bandmate thing is a better fit, probably. For me, what I'll call an "old school sit at the piano and write the song songwriter"...it's of limited use. Also note: it doesn't seem to even ATTEMPT to tempo map dragged audio...so, it's also a guitar riff you wrote and then record TO a click or there's a setting I missed. I think bandmate is for someone who wants a more in-depth way to build a drum part. Logic is works well for singer song writing or basic rock, but to build something more complex it becomes restrictive. I miss logic drummer for its quick and easy way to get a drums into a song while writing but i would always replace with superior loops and edit or do vdrums. Bandmate is going to be great for me. I wish it did map the tempo though. |
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Post by sirthought on May 14, 2022 4:49:16 GMT -6
One thing I wish it would do with bandmate is offer options for more than kick, snare and hi hat. Most every kit in there has tambourines, shakers, cow bells, etc. I you just want to hear some suggested patterns for your audio, that would be nice. Just like with hi hat you can approach a shaker in varied ways.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on May 15, 2022 5:14:06 GMT -6
One thing I wish it would do with bandmate is offer options for more than kick, snare and hi hat. Most every kit in there has tambourines, shakers, cow bells, etc. I you just want to hear some suggested patterns for your audio, that would be nice. Just like with hi hat you can approach a shaker in varied ways. Yeah that would be great. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2023 12:13:27 GMT -6
Has anyone tested EZDrummer 3 vs. SSD 5? What do you think sounds the best?
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 23, 2023 16:17:44 GMT -6
Has anyone tested EZDrummer 3 vs. SSD 5? What do you think sounds the best? I think SSD 5 is very good, but to my ears sounds more finished, polished and preprocessed. Which may or may not be a good thing depending on your approach to mixing and production. Though I use SD3 as it triggers so well off my TD-50x kit, I also really like the rawness of BFD3. I have all three, but lately SD3 expansions have been streets ahead like “Hit Maker” and “The Rooms of Hansa” …. They’re crazy good to my ears. |
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Post by wiz on Jul 23, 2023 16:51:39 GMT -6
I own or owned SD3 with Hitmaker, Legacy, Rooms of Hansa, Decades and NY studios 1 and 2.
I sold off all but Rooms of Hansa, and its days are numbered....8)
I bought EZdrummer 3 ( already owned the EZX expansions, Americana, Independent and Nashville)
I grabbed the Signature 1 and 2 and Singer Songwriter EZX's
I am predominantly using Signature 1 and 2 atm.
I track my drums in SD3 and do some editing in that.. but then have been transferring to EZD3 for mixing. The Signature 1 and 2 and Singer songwriter have been working out well for me, and have been staying inside EZD3.. but can see sometimes using SD3 to host the EZX. I also use the Americana EZX on some tunes.
This is all driven by the direction production wise and sonically speaking that I have headed in.
I have no doubt when SD4 comes along I will upgrade.
There are some fantastic editing features within EZD3 which are very handy at different points in the writing tracking stage.. and look forward to those being implemented in its bigger sibling.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2023 6:33:51 GMT -6
I have EZ drummer 2 (plus others like AD & NI Studio drummer etc), although for the most part I use e-drums / split the tracks out in Pro Tools and just mix or edit from there. So what I'm essentially after is the best sounding samples, I've also been looking at sun drums from Sonic Couture and to me they sound pretty realistic in comparison but I've had alot of issues triggering from Kontakt before. Studio drummer can be interesting..
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Post by notneeson on Jul 24, 2023 12:03:22 GMT -6
I have EZ drummer 2 (plus others like AD & NI Studio drummer etc), although for the most part I use e-drums / split the tracks out in Pro Tools and just mix or edit from there. So what I'm essentially after is the best sounding samples, I've also been looking at sun drums from Sonic Couture and to me they sound pretty realistic in comparison but I've had alot of issues triggering from Kontakt before. Studio drummer can be interesting.. I use SD3 and have Legacy of Rock, Rooms of Hansa, and Hitmaker. All of them are useful but the vocal booth Hansa samples just work across a lot of my stuff. I have not heard anything as realistic, but I have no doubt there are other good options. It's a pretty serious investment, but I need great drum sounds for my home projects and this is the way for me. Still love recording drums in a great room, but that tends to be more for paid work than my own stuff which I am squeezing into the gaps between work and family life. |
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