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Post by gwlee7 on Feb 14, 2022 9:09:01 GMT -6
I am eyeballing a Reverend electric 12 string. They are great playing instruments and it would be a nice fit and texture for the styles of music we ( yes we, Tony) are working on. I have all the other basic electrics covered: Les Paul, couple of strats, couple of Tele types, ES 335. An electric 12 string is the missing piece.
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Post by plinker on Feb 14, 2022 9:27:35 GMT -6
Leaving everything just like I have it now. Gefell mics, Daking mic pres, Silver Bullet for a taste of mojo if desired, Little Labs LL2a for a smidge of transient/volume smoothing into the 828es. My raw tracks have never sounded better. Like I said up thread, I should probably just buy a new guitar. 😂
As Dinosaur Jr would say: "Where you been?"
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Post by gwlee7 on Feb 14, 2022 9:36:30 GMT -6
I just got it a couple of weeks ago and haven’t used it much.
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Post by plinker on Feb 14, 2022 9:40:37 GMT -6
Unacceptable!
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Post by drumsound on Feb 14, 2022 10:02:52 GMT -6
I am eyeballing a Reverend electric 12 string. They are great playing instruments and it would be a nice fit and texture for the styles of music we ( yes we, Tony) are working on. I have all the other basic electrics covered: Les Paul, couple of strats, couple of Tele types, ES 335. An electric 12 string is the missing piece. That seems like a great idea to me. The next guitar I buy is going to be the Eastwood Gretsch style 12-string. |
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Post by svart on Feb 14, 2022 10:19:14 GMT -6
Having used different converters, and also designing my own, I really think the focus on converters is a bit overblown these days. I think the MOTU converters are pretty great for generic A/D work. I don't notice any harshness or strangeness to the audio or any coloration. They aren't a vibe type of converter like Burl though and you're not going to get any euphonics from them. They just do the job.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 14, 2022 10:45:45 GMT -6
Maybe I am chasing something that doesn’t need chasing. I can’t deny that is a real possibility. I almost always track one channel at the time. I don’t record other bands/projects, just my own. Someone else tracks the drums. Maybe “conversion” isn’t what I am after. Maybe I just “need” to spend some money. I had that problem last night. I found some cool LED's to build pedals with, I was prepared to spend $25 just to have some LED's with longer legs, made in NC. Then I remembered about Tayda Electronics, the same LED's would have been $5 ish Then I remembered a big bag of them in the garage I hardly look at or use ever... I had already bought them. I was really disappointed I didn't get to spend $25, but hey, maybe I'll buy one of those SSL plugins that are on sale right now. Oh, buy the guitar. Guitars are waaaaaay more fun purchases than any kind of studio gear. Any kind of instrument, really. |
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Post by plinker on Feb 14, 2022 11:03:19 GMT -6
Having used different converters, and also designing my own, I really think the focus on converters is a bit overblown these days. I think the MOTU converters are pretty great for generic A/D work. I don't notice any harshness or strangeness to the audio or any coloration. They aren't a vibe type of converter like Burl though and you're not going to get any euphonics from them. They just do the job. I've always been curious about the notion of adding "vibe" to conversion. Shouldn't that happen prior to conversion? Isn't that what front-end analog is for?
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Post by gwlee7 on Feb 14, 2022 11:10:40 GMT -6
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Post by jhsmastering on Feb 14, 2022 17:09:29 GMT -6
there’s no denying a more “boutique” A/D would sound different, maybe even subjectively “better,” but that 828es is no slouch. Given what I know of your situation, Greg, I would say whatever makes your workflow smooth, simple, and straightforward is the place to spend time/money. You’ve got songs to get out into the world, and hopefully fun to be had by creating them. That’s where I’d focus. What gets things recorded fast with the fewest hiccups or hangups?Leaving everything just like I have it now. Gefell mics, Daking mic pres, Silver Bullet for a taste of mojo if desired, Little Labs LL2a for a smidge of transient/volume smoothing into the 828es. My raw tracks have never sounded better. Like I said up thread, I should probably just buy a new guitar. 😂 Yep, would definitely go with a new guitar! You've got it going ON otherwise! |
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Post by mcirish on Feb 15, 2022 9:07:07 GMT -6
My theory is that, on the basis of recording, whatever is closest to the source is more important than the things away from the source. So, in order of importance:
1) Musician
2) Instrument
3) Microphone
4) Preamp
5) Any serial processing chain
6) Converters
The farther down the list you go, the smaller the changes are by swapping it out. That's just my theory.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 15, 2022 10:00:18 GMT -6
I think converters are more important than many people think, but I guess that's just my own obsession. I love them.
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Post by gwlee7 on Feb 15, 2022 11:31:29 GMT -6
My theory is that, on the basis of recording, whatever is closest to the source is more important than the things away from the source. So, in order of importance: 1) Musician 2) Instrument 3) Microphone 4) Preamp 5) Any serial processing chain 6) Converters The farther down the list you go, the smaller the changes are by swapping it out. That's just my theory. And fortunately for my wallet (at least as far as buying a different interface goes  ), I have decided the same thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2022 11:40:30 GMT -6
My theory is that, on the basis of recording, whatever is closest to the source is more important than the things away from the source. So, in order of importance: 1) Musician 2) Instrument 3) Microphone 4) Preamp 5) Any serial processing chain 6) Converters The farther down the list you go, the smaller the changes are by swapping it out. That's just my theory. Pre-amp placed higher than processing that can warp a sound beyond recognition? Unless you're using transparent comps on everything or just not bothering to mix then EQ's, comps, verbs, delay's etc. should be tied with microphones. |
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Post by mcirish on Feb 15, 2022 11:42:11 GMT -6
I think converters are more important than many people think, but I guess that's just my own obsession. I love them. I'm not saying converters are not important or that they don't contribute to the sound. All I'm saying is that changing the mic or instrument will have a far greater effect on the overall sound. With that said, I'm not talking about 20 year old first gen converters when things were a bit dicey and harsh. I'm speaking more about converters available today. |
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Post by plinker on Feb 15, 2022 14:03:25 GMT -6
I think converters are more important than many people think, but I guess that's just my own obsession. I love them. I'm not saying converters are not important or that they don't contribute to the sound. All I'm saying is that changing the mic or instrument will have a far greater effect on the overall sound. There are very few among us that would disagree with this. |
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Post by Guitar on Feb 15, 2022 14:40:53 GMT -6
I think converters are more important than many people think, but I guess that's just my own obsession. I love them. I'm not saying converters are not important or that they don't contribute to the sound. All I'm saying is that changing the mic or instrument will have a far greater effect on the overall sound. With that said, I'm not talking about 20 year old first gen converters when things were a bit dicey and harsh. I'm speaking more about converters available today. Well, yeah. I'm not "arguing." But if there is a "caveat" that's my room to talk about converters, and why they matter (to me!) But once again, it's all good and I'm just giving a different point of view. |
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Post by Guitar on Feb 15, 2022 14:50:33 GMT -6
I'm not saying converters are not important or that they don't contribute to the sound. All I'm saying is that changing the mic or instrument will have a far greater effect on the overall sound. There are very few among us that would disagree with this. Well don't that make me just as special as a green pie! In the search for the "supreme opinion" there will always be some outlier such as myself with a "varying opinion!" |
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Post by plinker on Feb 15, 2022 14:56:34 GMT -6
There are very few among us that would disagree with this. Well don't that make me just as special as a green pie! In the search for the "supreme opinion" there will always be some outlier such as myself with a "varying opinion!"
Wow! I didn't realize you were putting converters ahead of instruments and mics. That is pretty special!
Green pie is the preferred dessert following a heaping dish of green eggs and ham.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 15, 2022 15:09:48 GMT -6
Well don't that make me just as special as a green pie! In the search for the "supreme opinion" there will always be some outlier such as myself with a "varying opinion!"
Wow! I didn't realize you were putting converters ahead of instruments and mics. That is pretty special!
Green pie is the preferred dessert following a heaping dish of green eggs and ham.
Well now you're putting words in my mouth, but I've got a mouthful of green pie (and ham) to chew on, LOL!!! I would put conversion somewhere "equal" to mic pres, maybe, and "serial processors" somewhere near the bottom of the list... but not at the absolute bottom. No, no, you're right, microphones and instruments are the A game! No special opinions about that! Put the human being at the top of the list!! |
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Post by plinker on Feb 15, 2022 15:18:27 GMT -6
Wow! I didn't realize you were putting converters ahead of instruments and mics. That is pretty special!
Green pie is the preferred dessert following a heaping dish of green eggs and ham.
Well now you're putting words in my mouth, but I've got a mouthful of green pie (and ham) to chew on, LOL!!! I would put conversion somewhere "equal" to mic pres, maybe, and "serial processors" somewhere near the bottom of the list... but not at the absolute bottom. No, no, you're right, microphones and instruments are the A game! No special opinions about that! Put the human being at the top of the list!!
Sorry: I must have misunderstood what you meant in your previous post.
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Post by wiz on Feb 15, 2022 19:42:09 GMT -6
I think the most important thing is...
1. Singer
1. Song
1. Arrangement
1. Performance
everything else is up for grabs....8)
cheers
Wiz
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Post by dok on Feb 15, 2022 23:29:49 GMT -6
My theory is that, on the basis of recording, whatever is closest to the source is more important than the things away from the source. So, in order of importance: 1) Musician 2) Instrument 3) Microphone 4) Preamp 5) Any serial processing chain 6) Converters The farther down the list you go, the smaller the changes are by swapping it out. That's just my theory. And fortunately for my wallet (at least as far as buying a different interface goes ), I have decided the same thing. How much time have you spent with the preamps on the 828es? I am always pleasantly surprised and they're an excellent contrast to my main tracking pair of preamps (API A2D). |
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Post by gwlee7 on Feb 16, 2022 5:46:24 GMT -6
And fortunately for my wallet (at least as far as buying a different interface goes ), I have decided the same thing. How much time have you spent with the preamps on the 828es? I am always pleasantly surprised and they're an excellent contrast to my main tracking pair of preamps (API A2D). I have actually never used them. I track through my Dakings since 99% of the time it’s just me. It’s good to know that you consider them to be solid though if I were to need/want to use them. |
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Post by Ward on Feb 16, 2022 9:08:44 GMT -6
Lynx
Avid HD
Burl
Antelope
Aurora
You keep finding those in every pro studio. For the most obvious reasons.
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), I have decided the same thing. 
