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Post by phdamage on Dec 30, 2021 11:13:31 GMT -6
Maybe this is old news, but apparently in the next calendar year, the former thresholds of $20k or 200 transactions are out the window. I know this was in effect for a few states in recent years, but it is supposed to hit everyone now. I imagine this is going to impact most of us in some capacity. So it seems if we sell things on Reverb or Ebay or even through the classifieds here/purple site, we are going to get hit with taxes on it. Don't get me wrong, I'm no libertarian, but the IRS coming after crumbs from folks selling gear or from a few sessions here and there while Amazon or grifters like Elon Musk pay comparatively (or actually) nothing is pretty damn frustrating. www.forbes.com/advisor/taxes/cash-apps-to-report-payments-of-600-or-more/
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Post by vintagetubelug on Dec 30, 2021 11:59:22 GMT -6
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Post by Tbone81 on Dec 30, 2021 12:09:32 GMT -6
Interesting article but it’s a little unclear if that $10k limit has anything to do with $600 transaction requirement, they seem to be different things but it’s a little cloudy.
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Post by notneeson on Dec 30, 2021 12:13:55 GMT -6
Interesting article but it’s a little unclear if that $10k limit has anything to do with $600 transaction requirement, they seem to be different things but it’s a little cloudy. I am remembering that $600 is the threshold where you have to W2 a contractor and that banks report all transactions over $10K.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 30, 2021 12:17:15 GMT -6
Seems ridiculous when you think how the rich evade taxes.
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Post by ericn on Dec 30, 2021 12:25:11 GMT -6
10K is for bank accounts $600 for commercial transactions. Of course you were always supposed to report this stuff, now they are just making the reporting mandatory. Yeah it’s going to be a major pain in the ass.
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Post by ericn on Dec 30, 2021 12:31:49 GMT -6
Seems ridiculous when you think how the rich evade taxes. Part of it is to get the guy who is hiding assets by spreading them across banks, so it goes after some of the big guys as well as those washing money via PayPal. The problem is it’s cheaper to collect $1000 from 10000 small guys than one big guy, yeah seams insane but that one big guy will pay a lawyer $10K in order not to pay $1K. The other thing is the taxes of the Big fish are so complicated that the IRS can’t hold on to the guys who can dig into these cases, they end up working for the big guys.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 30, 2021 12:56:10 GMT -6
OK...I deleted my political post. But you know what it said...
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Post by Darren Boling on Dec 30, 2021 13:03:00 GMT -6
It'd be cruelly hilarious if this is the thing that brings changes to streaming payouts... when they determine we're easier to tax...
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Post by rob61 on Dec 30, 2021 13:12:24 GMT -6
The implementation of a sales tax (State) was to apply to the first NEW sale at a retailer. You buy you daughter a bike at the local bike shop and you pay sales tax on the sale. After a few years she outgrows the bike, so you sell it used to your neighbor Sam for his daughter. He hands you some cash and you give him the bike. Sales tax was only collected once, from a retailer, the first time something was sold. You didn't charge your neighbor tax when he buys your daughter's used bike. Well the same would go for an amp, or keyboard, or guitar. The sales tax was paid at the original point of purchase. People who manufacture the bike don't pay tax "no-tax manufacture". The retailer doesn't pay tax "no-tax resale", but the retailer charges the end consumer tax on the original sale and the retailer then sends that to the state.
Over the last few years a movement to tax EVERY consumer sale on used merchandise has occured. This is not what a sales tax was originally intended to do. It is a HUGE tax increase and nobody talked about it. The used merchandise market just in the US would amount to billions of taxable sales every year. So this raises the question if you sell that bike to your neighbor, do you have to collect sales tax like EBay does now for used items? Remember, EBay is not acting as a retailer, but as an agent (intermediary) for a sale of used items between a seller and a buyer. It seems odd that they collect sales tax but they now do. Same as Reverb.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 30, 2021 13:23:53 GMT -6
Quick... what's 22% of $.004?
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Post by Guitar on Dec 30, 2021 13:26:57 GMT -6
This sucks and blows at the same time. That's physically impossible, but the IRS/USA has found even more way to screw the little guys and girls.
Thanks for the heads up, anyway. It's better than getting a nasty surprise. I was thinking about selling some big items soon but now I have to recalculate.
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Post by Chad on Dec 30, 2021 13:35:42 GMT -6
They’ve covered all the bases... ;-)
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Post by ericn on Dec 30, 2021 13:40:20 GMT -6
OK...I deleted my political post. But you know what it said... Didn’t read it but I’m pretty sure your views are pretty a political on this one my friend! Normally I would say no matter what your political view contact your representatives, but one it comes to taxes the dirty secret of government/ politics is that the US tax code is what keeps K street ( lobbyists) and our whole election finance system rolling. On this one they are all guilty. I always wanted someone to figure out how much of every dollar you spend ends up paying for someone else to lobby about reducing their taxes.
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Post by veggieryan on Dec 30, 2021 13:41:48 GMT -6
They’ve covered all the bases... <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Pure comedy. At some point you just have to laugh at all this clownery.
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Post by ericn on Dec 30, 2021 13:45:26 GMT -6
Quick... what's 22% of $.004? Depends where you live😜 Back in the day when we knew at some point mail order companies would some day be collecting sales tax I remember the Full Co programmers going nuts because not only do you have all those little taxing authorities that will someday want their pound of flesh but besides different rates they all have different rules for rounding off !
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Post by EmRR on Dec 30, 2021 14:35:53 GMT -6
We just had a thread about this in the last month. There’s nothing new here for us. It’s a new obligation for them, and nothing about our tax liabilities change in any way.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 30, 2021 14:38:58 GMT -6
We just had a thread about this in the last month. There’s nothing new here for us. It’s a new obligation for them, and nothing about our tax liabilities change in any way. Not to put you on the spot, but if I sell my 1968 Fender Showman for $1,000 and don't report it to taxes.... is the IRS going to come after me with handcuffs and lawsuits?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 30, 2021 14:47:14 GMT -6
Quick... what's 22% of $.004? Depends where you live😜 Back in the day when we knew at some point mail order companies would some day be collecting sales tax I remember the Full Co programmers going nuts because not only do you have all those little taxing authorities that will someday want their pound of flesh but besides different rates they all have different rules for rounding off ! That would be the irony of ironies if we all got hit with massive tax bills for Spotify plays. "Wait, but I only made like $71 in 5 years." "Yeah, but with back interest, administrative fees, and penalties... you owe the government $231,497. Would you like me to transfer you to someone who can set up a payment plan?"
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 30, 2021 15:41:22 GMT -6
We just had a thread about this in the last month. There’s nothing new here for us. It’s a new obligation for them, and nothing about our tax liabilities change in any way. Not to put you on the spot, but if I sell my 1968 Fender Showman for $1,000 and don't report it to taxes.... is the IRS going to come after me with handcuffs and lawsuits? My understanding is that this admin is proposing drastically increasing the amount of IRS agents. Got go get those crumbs from us poors.
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Post by srb on Dec 30, 2021 15:51:02 GMT -6
We just had a thread about this in the last month. There’s nothing new here for us. It’s a new obligation for them, and nothing about our tax liabilities change in any way. Not to put you on the spot, but if I sell my 1968 Fender Showman for $1,000 and don't report it to taxes.... is the IRS going to come after me with handcuffs and lawsuits? Dan, I'd think that *if* you should have to pay, you'd only be liable for the 'profit'. Which, of course, begs the question of 'inventory' and 'cost of goods' sold. A whole other tangle of tax hoops through which to jump.
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Post by ericn on Dec 30, 2021 15:56:32 GMT -6
Not to put you on the spot, but if I sell my 1968 Fender Showman for $1,000 and don't report it to taxes.... is the IRS going to come after me with handcuffs and lawsuits? My understanding is that this admin is proposing drastically increasing the amount of IRS agents. Got go get those crumbs from us poors. That has been cut from the budget almost every year for the last 20 years ( KC has a big IRS office that was 3 blocks from my old loft).
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Post by m03 on Dec 30, 2021 16:11:25 GMT -6
It is a HUGE tax increase and nobody talked about it. It will also have the side-effect of disincentivizing the scalping that has been occurring recently on some items, but that's about the only direct benefit. Will probably be a boon to the parasites that are the major tax preparation services as well.
Pure comedy. At some point you just have to laugh at all this clownery. It's intentional, so you can stack federal tax evasion charges on top of theft charges.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 30, 2021 16:39:41 GMT -6
It'd be cruelly hilarious if this is the thing that brings changes to streaming payouts... when they determine we're easier to tax... I don't completely understand the ramifications of putting music on the blockchain, but if every sale was recorded and properly cataloged, it would be amazing for the creators. The problem is, the people in charge WANT that fog...BMI/SESAC/ASCAP don't want you to know how many times your song has actually been streamed or sold - then they'd have to pay you for it...and they're the GOOD GUYS. Imagine how much the labels/master owners fudge each second. If and when a musical artist does something like release new music via an NFT...they could release a limited run of the song. Nothing after it. Then there would be open bidding for it, and if it was re-sold, the artist would receive a cut. For instance - look at something like HMBL. They have NFT galleries. I believe you can create an NFT which to this point is pretty much just digital art. But if you created like an album cover and sold 10,000 of them, you could attach the ability to download the song. The record of the purchase is recorded on the blockchain (for eternity)...the question would be - how do you watermark the song? IDK. Would you not allow it to be streamed or played on radio? You think 1000 of those at $50 apiece - that's half a million dollars. That's more than co-writing a No.1 country song. For that matter - what if you sold 500 at $10 apiece - that's $5000. That's a ton better than any of my songs would make streaming on Youtube. Then, when and if it's sold again at a higher price because of scarcity, the artist gets a cut. Another question with it - how do you let people know where and how to buy it? HMBL is a company/platform I invested a tiny bit of money in - it's a fintech that's trying to build an app that is Venmo, Paypal, Amazon, Coinbase, etc in one app. This is the hope: one app that you can create on, sell on, offer in USD or crypto...you push a button and it works. Regardless of country...monetary exchange is already built in.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 30, 2021 16:40:32 GMT -6
There is NO WAY THAT IS REAL
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