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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 23, 2021 5:51:39 GMT -6
I will be demoing the 8010: real gennies, but small, low power and inexpensive.
Although, I thought the Kali in-5 quite good, I still found the combo of the front port and my room gremlins lead to a lack of clarity in the low mids and bass, but I am more a fan of closed cabinets and passive radiators.
I know the gen 8010 are rear ported, but after listening to a few YT videos I was really struck by their mid clarity and spacious natural top end .
I am still working on my cans and Martin suggested the little gennies to compliment my cans.
I have a sub woofer so will experiment with it.
The gennies show up today.
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Post by askomiko on Dec 23, 2021 6:20:24 GMT -6
They fit into jacket pockets and are indestructible.
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 23, 2021 9:47:15 GMT -6
I have the 8010’s and matching sub as my second set of monitors. Great fo checking reverb tails also
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 23, 2021 9:50:39 GMT -6
A gennie sub?
I am tempted to just buy the 8030, but thought I’ll try the 10’s and see
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 23, 2021 12:42:49 GMT -6
A gennie sub? I am tempted to just buy the 8030, but thought I’ll try the 10’s and see Yes Gennie sub , I’m not in the studio at the moment so I don’t recall the model number. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 23, 2021 14:19:52 GMT -6
All good Well hell these little guys actually have a lot of bass: was not expecting that at all. There is a Dip switch for Desktop setting attenuated bass 4 db at 200 cycles so I have that on. Will let them break in. Top end now is clear, neutral and smooth. I thinks mids are fine but bass is a little boomy so hard to tell. But I can clearly hear kick but lower mids and Vox are a little bloomy. Still impressive for just powering them ibb.co/g4gyD4w |
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Post by ericn on Dec 23, 2021 15:48:02 GMT -6
All good Well hell these little guys actually have a lot of bass: was not expecting that at all. There is a Dip switch for Desktop setting attenuated bass 4 db at 200 cycles so I have that on. Will let them break in. Top end now is clear, neutral and smooth. I thinks mids are fine but bass is a little boomy so hard to tell. But I can clearly hear kick but lower mids and Vox are a little bloomy. Still impressive for just powering them ibb.co/g4gyD4wLittle Genelecs and a pair of SVS SB 3000 micros would be a sweet combo. The higher you find you need to put the crossover freq the more you need stereo subs. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 23, 2021 15:54:38 GMT -6
I will be demoing the 8010: real gennies, but small, low power and inexpensive. Although, I thought the Kali in-5 quite good, I still found the combo of the front port and my room gremlins lead to a lack of clarity in the low mids and bass, but I am more a fan of closed cabinets and passive radiators. I know the gen 8010 are rear ported, but after listening to a few YT videos I was really struck by their mid clarity and spacious natural top end . I am still working on my cans and Martin suggested the little gennies to compliment my cans. I have a sub woofer so will experiment with it. The gennies show up today. One point, the port in front or back should not matter, if the system is well designed the LF should be radiating in an Omni pattern by the time you get to the port resonance freq. often this type of complaint has more to do with the designer porting a bit lower than optimal resulting in a dip before the tuned frequency, but hey on paper hey got another 5hz of lowend. I know you hear what you hear. But in General rear ports are a bit harder to position. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 23, 2021 16:00:02 GMT -6
Understood, yes I prefer front to rear ports and passive radiators over both.
That’s why I am still so interested in trying some atc, closed cabinet with very high quality speakers and crossovers, maybe would be what I prefer best .
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Post by ericn on Dec 23, 2021 16:11:38 GMT -6
Understood, yes I prefer front to rear ports and passive radiators over both. That’s why I am still so interested in trying some atc, closed cabinet with very high quality speakers and crossovers, maybe would be what I prefer best . If your using subs probably, the one big difference that many find hard to adjust to is that sealed roll off the LF much shallower than ported. Passive radiators are just a tuned diaphragm vs a tuned pipe. Tuned is the Key many higher end speaker manufacturers literally tune the weight of each passive radiators via weight. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 23, 2021 16:14:49 GMT -6
Not really using subs, I guess I just prefer a tight almost dryer bass sound rather then big bloomy bass.
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Post by ericn on Dec 23, 2021 17:49:47 GMT -6
Not really using subs, I guess I just prefer a tight almost dryer bass sound rather then big bloomy bass. Ha that my friend has as much to do with the sub how it’s tuned and set up! It shouldn’t be boomy hate it when someone sets up a good sub and it sounds like one note bass!!!!!!!! Stereo subs also help cure this because often it’s not as boomy as you think. It’s the mid bass suck out that tends to obscure definition, harmonics and freq. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 24, 2021 4:40:09 GMT -6
Am still running my 14 day Sonarworks demo so did room correction for gennies.  Bass is sounding fuller without being boomy and what had been a somewhat veiled mid , very noticeable on lead Vox is largely gone. I know people say gennies have a certain sound and that the 8010 top end should be very similar to larger monitors like say the 8030. I am hearing a very smooth top end, everything is there but not crisp or clinical, some parts of mids sound perfect, like keys, but I think the small 8010, struggle a bit with lower mid and bass articulation, as it still sounds a little less than linear there, a little congested. With soundworks you can customize your correction profile, think I might pull down 5-1,000 and see. On the other hand, for the price these small gennies are impressive. I think I slightly preferred the kali in-5 sonically but if you needed mobility, and very useable sonics, these small gennies would check off the boxes for sure. |
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Post by askomiko on Dec 24, 2021 6:59:28 GMT -6
That bass boost seems a bit much for such tiny speakers? Of course, if it works it's good.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 24, 2021 7:07:46 GMT -6
Well remember that is SW’a correction vs a linear measurement. I have reduced the bass and the mid range: it’s sounding pretty good, but someone locally just listed some used focal shape 65 with the passive radiator. decisions decisions !  |
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Post by jaba on Dec 24, 2021 8:35:42 GMT -6
Just curious - what monitors did you have previously and why the change?
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 24, 2021 9:59:55 GMT -6
I stopped using monitors about 2-3 years ago, got tired of the room gremlins and got very used to and calibrated to my Cans.(Sony’s)
I have had a variety of good to very find monitors, ultimately found I enjoyed the clarity of my cans.
Now, I am curious about finding some more depth and soundstage but don’t want to give up the clarity.
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Post by jaba on Dec 24, 2021 10:37:16 GMT -6
Very interesting! Glad you found a system that works for you. Hoping you find a complementary pair of monitors for a canless reference - the best of both worlds!
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 24, 2021 11:10:05 GMT -6
Is there a particular monitor you were interested in, if I had them , I could comment on my experience ?
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 24, 2021 11:11:55 GMT -6
I dragged my diy stands out of the garage, heavier and separate, gennies sound tighter and a little clearer, easier to distinguish kick from bass for example .
Getting the feeling gennies grow on you.
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 24, 2021 11:49:54 GMT -6
8010s are too small imo for a main set of monitors.
I'd never work on anything smaller than an 8030 personally. I use 8240s at home with a sub. They are great.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 24, 2021 12:06:06 GMT -6
I don’t disagree , got them from Amazon just to try and as they are easy to return.
Am more interested in the 8030, but price basically doubles.
Difficult demoing gear now a days if stores don’t have them. US retailers are better with no restocking fees etc., shipping is bad enough.
Do you have any experience with the 8030 sounding clearer flatter in the lower mids due to larger cabinet, driver and amp ?
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Post by superwack on Dec 24, 2021 13:29:22 GMT -6
Totally different price range but all the reviews of the little 8331s are stellar - really makes me curious 🤔
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 24, 2021 13:42:39 GMT -6
I just don’t understand why they charge you more with the monitor and when you also have to buy the mike and box on top ??
It seems well designed and integrated with the gennies but no headphone profile feature and roughly twice the cost of Sonarworks?
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Post by jaba on Dec 24, 2021 14:02:45 GMT -6
Is there a particular monitor you were interested in, if I had them , I could comment on my experience ? No, was just curious. Kind of you to ask though. |
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