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Post by askomiko on Dec 24, 2021 17:24:14 GMT -6
Am more interested in the 8030, but price basically doubles. The 8010 is tiny, good for home tv and laptop on the go, but it is tiny. You can't expect too much from a speaker the size of a beer can. 8030, or the dsp version 8330 is a lot bigger and is much more usable. Still, it's not a big speaker, so still good for mobile stuff. 8331 is the millionaire version, coaxial witchcraft.
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Post by ericn on Dec 24, 2021 17:54:54 GMT -6
Am more interested in the 8030, but price basically doubles. The 8010 is tiny, good for home tv and laptop on the go, but it is tiny. You can't expect too much from a speaker the size of a beer can. 8030, or the dsp version 8330 is a lot bigger and is much more usable. Still, it's not a big speaker, so still good for mobile stuff. 8331 is the millionaire version, coaxial witchcraft. Why not? With a S.B. or subs that go high enough you are going to have enough lowend, these are Nearfields and I’m sure nobody who is even considering them is going to have them on stands behind a large console. No they are not going to play loud but that might be a good thing! Lastly if you know your stuff is going to primarily on small speakers these are probably perfect. OK I’ll admit the smallest LF driver here is 6.5in and the largest of all is a 5.5 ft by 1ft planer with the largest dynamic cone coming in at a nominal 16in. I will also admit to believing all monitoring systems should go down to 35hz, but without subs that probably means I would discount 95% of the monitoring systems being used by the members of this forum. Keep in mind the OP has been exclusively using cans for quite a while so even if all these do is give a perspective of the soundstage on speakers it’s still an upward move. That said yeah bigger would be ideal but Im going to bet if we measured the response of a pair of NS 10’s powered by a Crown D75 you would find the pocket Genelecs win in almost every catagory.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 24, 2021 18:36:11 GMT -6
Ha ha, you know before ordering the 10’s, I thought what am I doing then I thought wait a second I’ve been using headphones for years , how much bigger is the 3 inch woofer then my headphones plus I have a separate tweeter and two amps : sonics: it’s all relative!
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Post by ericn on Dec 24, 2021 19:32:34 GMT -6
Ha ha, you know before ordering the 10’s, I thought what am I doing then I thought wait a second I’ve been using headphones for years , how much bigger is the 3 inch woofer then my headphones plus I have a separate tweeter and two amps : sonics: it’s all relative! While the size is similar a 3 indriver designed to be a full range driver 2in from your ear and a 3in bass unit designed to be used in a 2 way even 3 feet away is very very different. If you like the sound of the Genelecs I’m not sure the Shapes would be your cup of tea, yes the Shapes play lower and louder, but the tone is very different. While I find the FOCAL BE Tweeter seductive, it doesn’t mesh with the woofers. The Aluminum dome in the shapes makes for a more cohesive system, but if you hear the Be it’s hard not to be disappointed in the Aluminum dome. Personally I find it a bit harsh, it almost feels like they tried to EQ it so that it feels as fast as the Be.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 24, 2021 20:04:59 GMT -6
All good. I had shape 65 and liked them but I am finding the gennie sound is growing on me so am earballing the 8030.
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 24, 2021 21:24:35 GMT -6
I don’t disagree , got them from Amazon just to try and as they are easy to return. Am more interested in the 8030, but price basically doubles. Difficult demoing gear now a days if stores don’t have them. US retailers are better with no restocking fees etc., shipping is bad enough. Do you have any experience with the 8030 sounding clearer flatter in the lower mids due to larger cabinet, driver and amp ? I haven't used the 8010s much. More just heard them in demo rooms. So not sure. I have used the 8030s with a sub for real work though with no complaints. I just don’t understand why they charge you more with the monitor and when you also have to buy the mike and box on top ?? It seems well designed and integrated with the gennies but no headphone profile feature and roughly twice the cost of Sonarworks? Glm doesn't come with them, usually have to pay for the small switch and mic separately. They are just glm equipped. The biggest difference with the 8331 is they are coaxial. The 8030 aren't. On top of that. The 8330 and 8331 have ad converters in them and digital inputs. Technically they are an all digital speaker. The dsp is built into the speaker. So even if you plug in something into the analog input it gets converted into digital so the glm software can do it's think with eq and phase. That might seem bad to some. But the best part is you can just run aes digital XLR to them. This eliminates the constant hunt for a DA for monitoring. Since the speaker has a DA built in for it. So I just use digital inputs and never worry about buying some fancy DA. Glm also differs I'm that for eq correction it only cuts, no boosts. This is to protect the amp drivers and circuitry from overloads. Which sonar works does not care about as it'll boost. Idk really if that's a big deal as I've never used sonar works. But it makes sense to me. I've always been curious to compare the glm to donate works. And maybe even combine them. Anyways. If the second number is a 0 in the 8Xxx series it's an all analog monitor. Much simpler designs.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 25, 2021 3:21:24 GMT -6
I understand that: thx.
If you look at the least expensive gen with SAM,it seems the monitor itself is like $300, more plus you have to buy the mike and box.
I don’t understand why the monitor itself is more money or maybe it has other features I an unaware of.
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 25, 2021 13:27:41 GMT -6
I understand that: thx. If you look at the least expensive gen with SAM,it seems the monitor itself is like $300, more plus you have to buy the mike and box. I don’t understand why the monitor itself is more money or maybe it has other features I an unaware of. Not sure what you don't understand? I just said they are a totally different design having ad and da converters in them? With the glm dsp chips in them. Or are you referring to something else?
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 25, 2021 13:55:17 GMT -6
We are discussing different monitors. Go here: www.economik.com/genelec/8030cpm/The 8030cpm are $789 The 8330apm are $1024 Maybe I am misunderstanding but the major difference seems to be SAM and you also have to buy the microphone and box. I wasn’t commenting on the value of the speakers you described, they are much higher end.
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 25, 2021 17:51:45 GMT -6
We are discussing different monitors. Go here: www.economik.com/genelec/8030cpm/The 8030cpm are $789 The 8330apm are $1024 Maybe I am misunderstanding but the major difference seems to be SAM and you also have to buy the microphone and box. I wasn’t commenting on the value of the speakers you described, they are much higher end. Right. I explained the differences as to why they cost more. The drivers and cabinets are the same I believe. It's all the difference I listed being digitally run speakers that make they cost more.
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Post by askomiko on Dec 27, 2021 5:24:49 GMT -6
More powerful amps too. Anyways, they're just fancier and therefore they want more money for them.
Around here they are also available as a stereo kit with the GLM box which significantly drops the price.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 27, 2021 9:21:06 GMT -6
That’s interesting, didn’t know you could get gennies in a kit. Are you in Finland ?
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Post by superwack on Dec 27, 2021 10:53:57 GMT -6
That’s interesting, didn’t know you could get gennies in a kit. Are you in Finland ? Front End Audio (and I’m sure others) list some of the kits. Interestingly my friend just bought a pair of 8341 and each of them came with the GLM kit and - although I am super jealous of him - he said he’d give me one if I can scrape together the cash for a pair of monitors on my own
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