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Post by tasteliketape on Nov 8, 2021 11:55:36 GMT -6
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Post by NoTomorrow on Nov 8, 2021 12:09:12 GMT -6
Interesting, I hadn't heard of this one...
Definitely looks like it deserves a trial
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Post by Guitar on Nov 8, 2021 12:10:43 GMT -6
Wow, pretty rad features on that one!
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Post by gouge on Nov 8, 2021 15:18:21 GMT -6
this looks very impressive.
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Post by NoTomorrow on Nov 8, 2021 18:40:05 GMT -6
Just gave this thing a whirl for a couple of hours, it's very impressive sounding.
The 117bit button + 2x oversampling makes a real difference. Compared to all of the usual EQ suspects.
I've never used an algo EQ with this much muscle to tame low end in a single band and still sound as clean/punchy and true to the overall tone of the instrument. I typically use Acustica/Nebula stuff to correct really poor sounding resonances in the lows.
All of the options/customizations and filter types plus the dynamic eq take this over the top. This EQ is killer.
I'm buying it.
Interested to hear what others think.
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Post by enlav on Nov 9, 2021 7:46:31 GMT -6
The 117bit button + 2x oversampling makes a real difference. Compared to all of the usual EQ suspects. From your experience, how does it fare in terms of CPU-load vs. the usual suspects?
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Post by tasteliketape on Nov 11, 2021 16:57:55 GMT -6
There is an update just released that address cpu hit. Plus a few bugs The developers are really responsive to customer feedback
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Post by NoTomorrow on Nov 12, 2021 10:34:20 GMT -6
The 117bit button + 2x oversampling makes a real difference. Compared to all of the usual EQ suspects. From your experience, how does it fare in terms of CPU-load vs. the usual suspects? Enlav: I see about the same CPU usage as I do on other EQs like FabFilter, Massenberg, Oxford, Izotope, Brainworx etc. I have to say that after having bought it and really testing it across many sources the last couple of days that whatever they've done using their combination of 117bit, Analog filter type, 'robust Nyquist matched transform' in the extreme high end, the major reduction in quantization noise and the Harmonic Shifted Envelope which reduces odd ordered harmonics- has an audible effect on boosts/cuts in the lows/low mids. All of this stuff is summarized on their landing page for the plugin. I don't claim to understand the math/science behind all of it but it sounds incredible for all tasks I've tried it on. It's just cleaner and doesn't add any trash/woof in lows/low mids (my main complaint with algo EQs). A couple of other things: 1) I like how the slope and Q are separate controls on each band allowing you to easily create 'plateau' shaped curves 2) The dynamic EQ has an 'Onsets' slider so you can target transients. Using it on shitty sounding pick attack on poorly recorded acoustic guitar for instance... it performs great and it's very convenient to deal with this right in the EQ itself. I was going back and forth between SPIFF and Kirschhoff at moderate settings and couldn't decide which I liked better. It's very good. SPIFF obviously gives more control though 3) The different hardware modelled curves are a nice addition. You can grab say the 'Tone Stack' low shelf... and look at what it simultaneously does to the high end. It doesn't model Analog saturation of the hardware units, just the curves. 4) The 2x oversampling smooths things out even more. In my comparisons with other EQs I kept 2X off, but I have been using 117bit in all tests. Throw it across 4 or 5 tracks with the same settings in both plugins and then solo each group. The difference is readily apparent with good monitoring because the lower frequency congestion just doesn't exist with the Kirchhoff. I think these guys might win an award or two for this plugin.
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Post by miscend on Nov 13, 2021 7:38:43 GMT -6
It's the best sounding digital EQ I've heard.
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Post by nudwig on Jan 3, 2022 11:27:32 GMT -6
Wanted to bump this so anyone else can still grab it while it's on sale. I agree with the above statements, this thing is amazing. Swapping out all the Pro-Q3's in a session with this removed so much digital hash I was a bit shocked. My quick take is it's like all the good stuff of MAAT Blue and Equilibrium with the quick workflow of Pro-Q3.
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Post by ragan on Jan 3, 2022 11:30:25 GMT -6
Wanted to bump this so anyone else can still grab it while it's on sale. I agree with the above statements, this thing is amazing. Swapping out all the Pro-Q3's in a session with this removed so much digital hash I was a bit shocked. My quick take is it's like all the good stuff of MAAT Blue and Equilibrium with the quick workflow of Pro-Q3. What’s the sale price vs regular price?
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Post by nudwig on Jan 3, 2022 11:34:05 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2022 11:48:08 GMT -6
Will test this vs PSP Master Q2, my previous clean champion, which I usually use with analog on anyway
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 5, 2022 4:39:13 GMT -6
Been busy, anyone else demoing this?
Am a big FF fanboy, but the Kirchhoff does sound interesting and looks well featured.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 5, 2022 5:25:00 GMT -6
My Mac security protocols don't like this software (malware ? and even when I override them I can't get demo to open:
anybody running the demo on big Sur, if so how ?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 5, 2022 5:43:41 GMT -6
Got it working; seem to be no presets, at least in demo, so just started playing around with it on a logic drummer track it does sound both clear and have some presence, being able to mix say a Neve style filter and others in the same track is interesting, the audition function seems very clear, ie, listening for honk in the mids with the drum track, taming sizzle in cymbals, etc.. Those who have bought it, are there presets in the purchased version ?
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Post by drastic on Jan 5, 2022 7:49:23 GMT -6
I haven’t really checked the presets out yet, but there are some included with the full version. Just picked it up last night.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 9:18:19 GMT -6
I’ll do a sharp drastic cut on something with:
ReaEQ psp master q2 analog off Psp master q2 analog on Psp master q2 analog on and limiter on Tdr slick eq ge Japanese mode, color off Tdr slick eq ge, Japanese mode, output stage and saturation on Kirchhoff eq
Don’t have FabFilter or crave and these are what I usually use for serious chopping after getting Master Q2 on sale last year. Even with the old, year 2002 gui that didn’t scale, it was sick. Now the GUI scales and so yeah, ive been using it even more.
Dan
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Post by mcirish on Jan 5, 2022 10:16:24 GMT -6
I didn't think I needed another EQ, but this looks very interesting. Maybe it combines the best parts of Crave EQ and Waves F6 into one plugin. If Crave had a dynamic section, I don't know that I'd ever need another digital EQ, but as it is, I still need F6 to tame some harshness. Though, I think F6 sounds bad if I actually bring up the top end. Not sure what's going on with it, but I only cut with F6. maybe Kirchcoff is a good option. Very tempting.
OK, I did a quick test of the demo in Acon Acoustica. WOW. The CPU hit is super high. Crave EQ is maybe 1% hit. Kirchhoff is 15-28% for once instance. Something seems pretty wrong with that. Anyone else seeing this? The demo is version 1.3.2
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Post by jhsmastering on Jan 31, 2022 18:30:06 GMT -6
I didn't think I needed another EQ, but this looks very interesting. Maybe it combines the best parts of Crave EQ and Waves F6 into one plugin. If Crave had a dynamic section, I don't know that I'd ever need another digital EQ, but as it is, I still need F6 to tame some harshness. Though, I think F6 sounds bad if I actually bring up the top end. Not sure what's going on with it, but I only cut with F6. maybe Kirchcoff is a good option. Very tempting. OK, I did a quick test of the demo in Acon Acoustica. WOW. The CPU hit is super high. Crave EQ is maybe 1% hit. Kirchhoff is 15-28% for once instance. Something seems pretty wrong with that. Anyone else seeing this? The demo is version 1.3.2 I have never checked my CPU hits, but I can believe it though. I'll check it and see what I get. With mastering though, I only use one instance, so the only thing it would hurt is the other power-hungry (if any) plugs not having enough juice to run.
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Post by tasteliketape on Jan 31, 2022 18:33:32 GMT -6
I’ll check my cpu hit also with Mac mini 2018 i7 . But I have ran 4 instances with with quite a few other plugins on a 16 track mix , no problems .
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Post by plinker on Jan 31, 2022 22:15:47 GMT -6
Does it use IIR, or FIR?
edit: nevermind. I found it on the website. It uses either depending on the mode of operation.
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Post by reddirt on Feb 1, 2022 1:50:56 GMT -6
Their latest web site blurb says "extreme CPU optimisation - never fear to use hundreds of instances" Cheers, Ross
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Post by NoTomorrow on Feb 1, 2022 9:05:29 GMT -6
I've had this now for a couple of months and used it extensively. I haven't seen elevated CPU usage versus other EQ plugs.
Been using dozens of instances across mixes in Pro Tools and Logic, no issues to speak of
I'm using it on a 2017 iMac Pro running Big Sur..
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Post by mcirish on Feb 1, 2022 11:19:39 GMT -6
There must have been something wrong with the demo I had. I did purchase it and after the last update, the CPU hit is fine. No issues now. This is a pretty impressive feature set EQ. I got it mostly for the dynamic part. I've used Waves F6 for many years and while I find it to be fine for cuts, it did not sound all that good for any boosts, at least to my ears. I don't have any way to back up that claim but something in F6 just doesn't sound good when boosting. I really like Crave EQ. If it had a dynamics section, it would be unbeatable. But for now, it appears that Kirchhoff EQ is going to see a lot more use here. It's kind of sad but I'm finding that I use less and less of the Waves plugins. I've bought a ton over the years and like them but lately, there's always something that beats them out. TBH, I still use H-Delay and MV2 in every mix still.
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