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Post by Bat Lanyard on Aug 17, 2021 20:14:54 GMT -6
This is going to sound worse than I mean it, but my first thought was: "Hi, I'm Michael Brauer. I'm helping sell this great piece of new hardware that is almost exactly like a piece of vintage hardware I used to use, but which I don't use or even own anymore because I do everything ITB now. (BTW, keep an eye open for my soon-to-be-released Michael Brauer edition Motor City EQ plugin that is modeled from the vintage hardware I used to use.)" That was exactly my first thought going down this thread.
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Post by ericn on Aug 17, 2021 20:19:35 GMT -6
I know how much I like my klark teknik DN22 inductor eq with sowter in/out transformers This looks great Is the Klark supposed to be a knockoff of the Motown eq? No just a rare octave spaced inductor room EQ.
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Post by jampa on Aug 17, 2021 20:55:44 GMT -6
Is the Klark supposed to be a knockoff of the Motown eq? No just a rare octave spaced inductor room EQ. What eric said I imagine the motown will be more versatile than the KT
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Post by jmoose on Aug 17, 2021 21:20:32 GMT -6
Hmmm...I wonder what a pair of these would be like on the 2 buss? Probably sound like 4000 tacos... Which for that amount are there really any $4k analog EQs that sound like taco bell? I'm slightly more amazed, and honestly frightened that someone with the resources of Michael Brauer went to Black Lion to get his originals fixed. I know how crappy our tech situation in the greater NYC area is but if even a guy like him can't get his vintage shit fixed in town then we're all pretty fucked.
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Post by roundbadge on Aug 17, 2021 23:40:54 GMT -6
external PSU..please no.yuck
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Post by raddistribution on Aug 18, 2021 5:46:57 GMT -6
external PSU..please no.yuck Both of Michaels motowns had external psus.
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Post by raddistribution on Aug 18, 2021 5:50:26 GMT -6
Hmmm...I wonder what a pair of these would be like on the 2 buss? Probably sound like 4000 tacos... Which for that amount are there really any $4k analog EQs that sound like taco bell? I'm slightly more amazed, and honestly frightened that someone with the resources of Michael Brauer went to Black Lion to get his originals fixed. I know how crappy our tech situation in the greater NYC area is but if even a guy like him can't get his vintage shit fixed in town then we're all pretty fucked. Michael is pretty local to us and been at our ny facility quite a few times. Most of his gear has been either been modded to his needs/setup or was custom made and most shops refuse to deviate from schematics. Having a modding company work on modded gear is actually a pretty natural fit.
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Post by raddistribution on Aug 18, 2021 6:24:05 GMT -6
Why advertise something as 100% accurate then go on to say the circuit was changed. It may sound amazing but how dumb do companies think the punters are these days. How can something be both a replica and modified... Its a repluca with a different input and output... lol who wrote that.. So its not a modernised improvement. But wait. It has modernised improvements... ha. This is going to sound worse than I mean it, but my first thought was: "Hi, I'm Michael Brauer. I'm helping sell this great piece of new hardware that is almost exactly like a piece of vintage hardware I used to use, but which I don't use or even own anymore because I do everything ITB now. (BTW, keep an eye open for my soon-to-be-released Michael Brauer edition Motor City EQ plugin that is modeled from the vintage hardware I used to use.)" Michael was actually pretty integral during the design and approval process. In fact one one the most stressful 5 minutes of my life was when he sat down at my desk and tested the final prototype. We fed the motor city first a snare and then a kick (his motowns live on those) and then let him mix on them just to make sure no changes need to be made on them. one of our guys took out his cell phone and recorded Michael mixing and my reactions (more so stress at that moment). The "its simply got that sound" quote said by Michael earlier in the release isn't an endorsement that we asked him to say... it is quite literally the first thing he says in our video when he swivels my chair around, smiles and gave me his honest opinion. The collaborative process that I and Peter had to come up with to be able to work together in different hemisphere was pretty unique and highly effective. The entire development of this product is without a doubt the most excited I have been about a project in probably... ever. We are VERY confident that people will love this eq as much as we do and for Michael to have been involved and in the shop with us and to give the thumbs up on the final product was just icing on that cake
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 18, 2021 6:48:47 GMT -6
So as mentioned previously, why go through the painstaking process of custom making parts and making a "dead nuts replica", but purposely change the transformers and power supply from original. It even makes a point in the blurb to mention how the back panel is laid out the same (but apparently has an internal power supply vs external).
I'm not knocking the product, and I'm sure it sounds great. I don't even personally care if it sounds exactly like an original, because I haven't and probably won't ever use an original, so for me just sounding good is enough. But, I just don't understand how you can say one thing in one breath and something different in the next. The marketing is what I have issue with.
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 18, 2021 6:50:42 GMT -6
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Post by Quint on Aug 18, 2021 8:06:24 GMT -6
external PSU..please no.yuck Both of Michaels motowns had external psus. To be fair, I think he specifically meant an external SWITCHING psu. I doubt Brauer's original eqs had an external switching supply.
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Post by superwack on Aug 18, 2021 9:06:25 GMT -6
both of these were mentioned on the other page but mini-side tangent: it would be cool if Plugin-Alliance purchased URS and brought those plug-ins back
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Post by ericn on Aug 18, 2021 11:21:54 GMT -6
So as mentioned previously, why go through the painstaking process of custom making parts and making a "dead nuts replica", but purposely change the transformers and power supply from original. It even makes a point in the blurb to mention how the back panel is laid out the same (but apparently has an internal power supply vs external). I'm not knocking the product, and I'm sure it sounds great. I don't even personally care if it sounds exactly like an original, because I haven't and probably won't ever use an original, so for me just sounding good is enough. But, I just don't understand how you can say one thing in one breath and something different in the next. The marketing is what I have issue with. PSU changes probably means UL approval.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 18, 2021 12:53:56 GMT -6
So as mentioned previously, why go through the painstaking process of custom making parts and making a "dead nuts replica", but purposely change the transformers and power supply from original. It even makes a point in the blurb to mention how the back panel is laid out the same (but apparently has an internal power supply vs external). I'm not knocking the product, and I'm sure it sounds great. I don't even personally care if it sounds exactly like an original, because I haven't and probably won't ever use an original, so for me just sounding good is enough. But, I just don't understand how you can say one thing in one breath and something different in the next. The marketing is what I have issue with. PSU changes probably means UL approval. From the pics, it looks like it's probably a cheap line lump supply. Maybe I'm wrong, but When BLA started, I think they were modding the power supplies in 002s. To see them make an exact replica with a cheap, off the shelf, supply, just seems weird. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it doesn't matter. And again, I bet this thing sounds rad as hell and I'd love to test one out.
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Post by ericn on Aug 18, 2021 13:27:51 GMT -6
PSU changes probably means UL approval. From the pics, it looks like it's probably a cheap line lump supply. Maybe I'm wrong, but When BLA started, I think they were modding the power supplies in 002s. To see them make an exact replica with a cheap, off the shelf, supply, just seems weird. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it doesn't matter. And again, I bet this thing sounds rad as hell and I'd love to test one out. “Cheap line lump” means instant UL approval, no UL approval hurts school and institutional biz.
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Post by gouge on Aug 18, 2021 15:18:18 GMT -6
So as mentioned previously, why go through the painstaking process of custom making parts and making a "dead nuts replica", but purposely change the transformers and power supply from original. It even makes a point in the blurb to mention how the back panel is laid out the same (but apparently has an internal power supply vs external). I'm not knocking the product, and I'm sure it sounds great. I don't even personally care if it sounds exactly like an original, because I haven't and probably won't ever use an original, so for me just sounding good is enough. But, I just don't understand how you can say one thing in one breath and something different in the next. The marketing is what I have issue with. Exactly.
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Post by lpedrum on Aug 18, 2021 16:28:33 GMT -6
I’m all for holding companies accountable but surprised at the criticism in this thread aimed at a EQ no one has heard yet. I know from personal experience that Radd gives great customer service and distributes quality gear. I can dish out cynicism with the best of them. But this thread has a strong purple tint to it.
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Post by gouge on Aug 18, 2021 18:17:29 GMT -6
I’m all for holding companies accountable but surprised at the criticism in this thread aimed at a EQ no one has heard yet. I know from personal experience that Radd gives great customer service and distributes quality gear. I can dish out cynicism with the best of them. But this thread has a strong purple tint to it. The criticism is not aimed at the sound. I thought that was clear.
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Post by lpedrum on Aug 18, 2021 18:56:53 GMT -6
I’m all for holding companies accountable but surprised at the criticism in this thread aimed at a EQ no one has heard yet. I know from personal experience that Radd gives great customer service and distributes quality gear. I can dish out cynicism with the best of them. But this thread has a strong purple tint to it. The criticism is not aimed at the sound. I thought that was clear. Crystal clear. Just thought that the snarky nastiness of this thread is usually reserved for those companies with a history of deserving it.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Aug 18, 2021 19:17:43 GMT -6
The criticism is not aimed at the sound. I thought that was clear. Crystal clear. Just thought that the snarky nastiness of this thread is usually reserved for those companies with a history of deserving it. I didn't find it all that harsh. Some reasonable questions about the PSU, some skepticism that's okay in the audio land and honestly, I thought Brauer partnering w/Black Lion was a bit of a "huh?". I only came across BL a decade or so ago and that was due to considering mods for gear I had at the time. After all the followup from all sides though it seems more properly explained and I'd like to hear more about this unit and see it put through the paces. Edit: jcoutu1 originally pointed out the "huh". I had the same reaction though. Edit 2: haha, confused my brands for a minute.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 18, 2021 20:25:24 GMT -6
The criticism is not aimed at the sound. I thought that was clear. Crystal clear. Just thought that the snarky nastiness of this thread is usually reserved for those companies with a history of deserving it. I've tried asking the questions as non snarky/nasty as possible, FWIW. Also, I appreciate that it's not just another Pultec clone. Pushing the envelope with something different is cool.
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Post by lpedrum on Aug 18, 2021 21:40:40 GMT -6
Crystal clear. Just thought that the snarky nastiness of this thread is usually reserved for those companies with a history of deserving it. I've tried asking the questions as non snarky/nasty as possible, FWIW. I recognize that. Others were pretty damning of Brauer and Black Lion. I just wonder what I would think if I spent a year and a half perfecting something only to get instantly bashed on the internet before anyone heard it. But to some degree that's the price of doing business.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Aug 18, 2021 22:34:10 GMT -6
I've tried asking the questions as non snarky/nasty as possible, FWIW. I recognize that. Other's were pretty damning of Brauer and Black Lion. I just wonder what I would think if I spent a year and a half perfecting something only to get instantly bashed on the internet before anyone heard it. But to some degree that's the price of doing business. 100% that's the price. If the product holds up though, total success.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 19, 2021 13:18:03 GMT -6
I got the same vibe. Tough room. Especially when no one has heard it.
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Post by raddistribution on Dec 24, 2021 11:27:35 GMT -6
Well Christmas came a day early. Theres nothing cooler than the Motorcity eq being used by the legendary Obie O’Brien to remix Motown hits.
Check it out!:
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