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Post by RicFoxx on May 1, 2014 15:58:33 GMT -6
So I need some feedback for this mic. ENT has ordered me not to sing for 3 months (cruel since I just purchased a retro Sta Level) so Im going to focus on instrument recording and need a pair of SDC's. Anything I should go for other than this??? I was actually pretty impressed with a pair of Cad M179's that I put as overheads (I bought these mics for pennies to put them on my toms) and found them pretty neutral. Anything else I should consider (especially cheaper???)
Pretty depressed about the vocal nodules but it gives me a chance to do something Im been wanting to do. My goal is to record a 3 song demo with me playing all the instruments with no quantize help and when the Dr. oks me to sing again, not use melodyne. So now Im forced to work on my chops. Looking forward to the new Gibson J45!
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Post by Johnkenn on May 1, 2014 16:19:13 GMT -6
I have one...it's decent enough...bright, but not as bright as some. Maybe like a little beefier AKG 451...lots of tip top info.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 1, 2014 16:20:16 GMT -6
BTW - I've got Shannon on a secret mission to mod one of these capsules. He's busy making money and fame though...  |
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Post by kidvybes on May 1, 2014 16:22:21 GMT -6
Hi Ric...in a similar vein as the CAD M179 but IMHO, better quality and possibly more versatile (due to many more setting options) you might want to look at the Studio Projects CS5...originally designed by engineer Brent Casey to suit a similar need as the C414, these were introduced with a street price of around $799, and received very positive reviews...since the original R&D and tooling expenses have been long time recouped, the mic now street's for about $299... ...the CS5 boasts 5 polar-patterns, 4 low-pass filters, 4 high-pass filters, and 4 pads...the capsules are 34mm center-terminated K67 assembled at 797Audio with tighter than typical QC for a Chinese manufactured product...tolerances are tight enough that any two new CS5 mics can be considered a matched pair...the mic is very neutral, accurate and clear...the biggest knock is that the CS5 is too honest (not EQ'd to be flattering or colored)...what goes in is what comes out...if your source has an issue, it's likely to be readily revealed... ...I use them particularly for stacking BGVs (lots of BGVs!) and they stake wonderfully with excessive mud or buildup...and build quality is far superior to the M179...these are weighty, solid and finished quite nicely!...great work-horse mic for the budget minded...solid FET mic that can be fine-tuned for just about any studio application... www.studioprojectsusa.com/cs5.html...speaking of modding capsules, Ben Sneesby has been testing the CS5 with his custom K7 capsule...shootout files in the works... ...the designer speaks: |
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Post by RicFoxx on May 1, 2014 16:30:51 GMT -6
Hi Ric...in a similar vein as the CAD M179 but IMHO, better quality and possibly more versatile (due to many more setting options) you might want to look at the Studio Projects CS5...originally designed by engineer Brent Casey to suit a similar need as the C414, these were introduced with a street price of around $799, and received very positive reviews...since the original R&D and tooling expenses have been long time recouped, the mic now street's for about $299... ...the CS5 boasts 5 polar-patterns, 4 low-pass filters, 4 high-pass filters, and 4 pads...the capsules are 34mm center-terminated K67 assembled at 797Audio with tighter than typical QC for a Chinese manufactured product...tolerances are tight enough that any two new CS5 mics can be considered a matched pair...the mic is very neutral, accurate and clear...the biggest knock is that the CS5 is too honest (not EQ'd to be flattering or colored)...what goes in is what comes out...if your source has an issue, it's likely to be readily revealed... ...I use them particularly for stacking BGVs (lots of BGVs!) and they stake wonderfully with excessive mud or buildup...and build quality is far superior to the M179...these are weighty, solid and finished quite nicely!...great work-horse mic for the budget minded...solid FET mic that can be fine-tuned for just about any studio application... ...the designer speaks: Im not necessarily looking for a budget mic and I put the M179's up as a...Why not type of thing. |
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Post by kidvybes on May 1, 2014 16:33:53 GMT -6
Im not necessarily looking for a budget mic and I put the M179's up as a...Why not type of thing. ...understood, but these streeted at $799 originally, and perform better than the M179 IMHO (though not SDCs), so worthy of a look...your call... |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 1, 2014 16:40:25 GMT -6
I think he's more interested in a SDC...
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Post by RicFoxx on May 1, 2014 16:58:08 GMT -6
I think he's more interested in a SDC... Yep |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 1, 2014 17:18:37 GMT -6
Joly modded Octava's are awfully damn good. I heard them up against the vintage Neumann 84's and I was left believing they sounded 99% as good in the application I heard them on (acoustic). 800 clams for a pair I think.
Not to change the subject but I gotta kinna agree with kid vibes on the SP stuff. I think it's the best sounding stuff on the market for on the cheap. Especially if one is merely looking for mic count on bigger sessions.
About the SDC's ric, I gotta say I didn't think at double the price the C5 is better than the modded Octava's. Nowhere near it IMHO. You and I seem to have close to the same ear. Give those a study if your looking to buy soon.
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Post by RicFoxx on May 1, 2014 17:30:21 GMT -6
@cowbowcoalminer in your last sentence are you saying Oktava's distance themselves from the C5?
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 1, 2014 17:34:42 GMT -6
I don't how far I go in saying they distance themselves, but to my ear, the Octava's are better, yes. You could no doubt get a great result with either I'm sure. My ear leans heavily toward the Octava's though.
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Post by RicFoxx on May 1, 2014 17:35:47 GMT -6
I don't how far I go in saying they distance themselves, but to my ear, the Octava's are better, yes. You could no doubt get a great result with either I'm sure. My ear leans heavily toward the Octava's though. Thanks Brother!!! |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 1, 2014 18:03:05 GMT -6
Yeah. I'm kinda "meh" on the c5 these days. I'd like to find something that just worked and was less pronounced on top.
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Post by RicFoxx on May 1, 2014 18:36:43 GMT -6
Yeah. I'm kinda "meh" on the c5 these days. I'd like to find something that just worked and was less pronounced on top. I'm also not a fan of the cheap topend! |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 1, 2014 19:48:19 GMT -6
You know - I don't have a ton of experience wih vintage sdc's...so I'm not the best guy to talk about it. Just IMO, it's bright - not in comparison to anything - and it's not painful. Just too much of it.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 1, 2014 19:49:27 GMT -6
Joly modded Octava's are awfully damn good. I heard them up against the vintage Neumann 84's and I was left believing they sounded 99% as good in the application I heard them on (acoustic). 800 clams for a pair I think. Not to change the subject but I gotta kinna agree with kid vibes on the SP stuff. I think it's the best sounding stuff on the market for on the cheap. Especially if one is merely looking for mic count on bigger sessions. About the SDC's ric, I gotta say I didn't think at double the price the C5 is better than the modded Octava's. Nowhere near it IMHO. You and I seem to have close to the same ear. Give those a study if your looking to buy soon. Do you have some cowboy? If love to hear something affordable and great. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 1, 2014 20:38:31 GMT -6
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Post by warren on May 1, 2014 21:53:23 GMT -6
Curious about the C5s too. I'm looking out for a KM84, but if these are any good, might want to try them instead. But if they're more like the KM184s, I'll pass.
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Post by warren on May 1, 2014 21:54:55 GMT -6
And that does seem like a great deal. Get the mics and sell the ISA two to recoup some cash |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 2, 2014 4:31:56 GMT -6
That's a very good deal. No I don't own them JK, Nathan Osborne does. I'll see if he can chime in.
Dr. Bill likes the Octavas as well.
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Post by tonycamphd on May 2, 2014 7:26:27 GMT -6
dandeurloo owns km84's and oktava mk12's, he speaks very highly of both, and Dan knows whatzup IMO
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Post by Randge on May 2, 2014 7:42:30 GMT -6
Try a different preamp with them, John. V-72 Telefunkens are a wonderful mate with the C'5's. To me, those mics don't fair as well with transformerless or fet mic preamps. I have the Octavas and they are my least favorite mics. I use the Peluso P-28's a lot. Give those a shot as well.
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Post by Randge on May 2, 2014 7:44:58 GMT -6
I hated the KM-184's, love the C'5's. They are great mics. The 184's were sold to Phish. I hope they enjoyed them better than I did.
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Post by tonycamphd on May 2, 2014 8:03:01 GMT -6
Try a different preamp with them, John. V-72 Telefunkens are a wonderful mate with the C'5's. To me, those mics don't fair as well with transformerless or fet mic preamps. I have the Octavas and they are my least favorite mics. I use the Peluso P-28's a lot. Give those a shot as well. R did you have the improvements done? Do you want to sell them? how much for the pair?(i assume u have a pair?), how many capsules? I bought an Oktava MK319 for like $80, it was totally mehh.. sounding, I then did the Sitler mod, and now the mic is one of my favorites, it sounds like a Zeppelin record on acoustic, really quite brown and sinister through a vp28 as in the large diaphragm on an acoustic frame. |
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Post by Randge on May 2, 2014 8:11:18 GMT -6
I have a friend, Brandon Bostic who had his done. We compared them to my stock ones. I still didn't hear any depth. They are very forward but nothing behind it for me. I keep them for fast transient recording of percussion mostly. I have all the capsules and the -10 pads. I bought mine from GC when they were $100/pair at the introductory price.
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