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Post by OtisGreying on Jul 21, 2021 4:35:41 GMT -6
I was able to get the right seperation with about 7 inches of rockwool padding inbetween my Flea 47 and RE16, held by a stand, and standing up while playing. Cumbersome, cant see the guitar so I have to know the parts, but finally sounds right. Probably would make life easier to get an sm7 or something for vocals BUT oh well I guess this is what I'm rocking with atm. Without the padding the low end on my Martin in combination with my slapping the low string frequently in my playing style was really overbearing the vocal. Performance is everything so if I find it impedes my performance I'll probably get an sm7 but we'll see, I'm loving the sound of the Flea with the needed seperation.
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Post by bluegrassdan on Jul 21, 2021 22:16:58 GMT -6
Otis, I applaud your experimentation, but I just can’t imagine enjoying playing music with a rockwool barrier between my face and guitar. The guitar and vocal might "sound" right, clinically, but are you having fun?
Have you tried using a phase alignment plugin?
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Post by yotonic on Jul 22, 2021 0:00:08 GMT -6
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Post by OtisGreying on Jul 22, 2021 2:15:19 GMT -6
Otis, I applaud your experimentation, but I just can’t imagine enjoying playing music with a rockwool barrier between my face and guitar. The guitar and vocal might "sound" right, clinically, but are you having fun? Have you tried using a phase alignment plugin? I've been inching my acoustic/vox track to be as in phase as much as I can see matching the waveforms. That seems to help with tightness in the blend, but the problem was specfically in my vocal track, low boomy frequencies from my Martin were too prominent and overbearing the vocal take for the vocal to feel like it was seperated enough. I was only able to solve this with the Rockwool. I think it's a death combo of my play style, my Martin guitar's resonant sound and the Flea picking up everything.
I'm gonna feel it out how comfortable it will be. I'm not the most comfortable not seeing my guitar, but I can manage that. I'm even less comfortable with the fear of getting "the" take and then not wanting to use it cause its just cluttered by bleed, I literally despise that. I'm a pretty novice engineer so I run into that a lot.
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Post by bluegrassdan on Jul 22, 2021 21:43:51 GMT -6
I'd be curious to hear the raw tracks, both with and without.
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Post by hadaja on Jul 24, 2021 3:01:56 GMT -6
Gees was that a heisermann h47t mic on the vocal?
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Post by rowmat on Jul 24, 2021 3:59:33 GMT -6
Gees was that a heisermann h47t mic on the vocal? Looks like an original U47/48.
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Post by yotonic on Jul 24, 2021 8:41:16 GMT -6
Neumann U67 on guitar and Neumann U47 on vox
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jul 24, 2021 13:17:58 GMT -6
Neumann U67 on guitar and Neumann U47 on vox And, again, the performance stays out of the way of the vocal. That vocal/guitar balance would be good pretty much no matter what mic setup you used.
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Post by OtisGreying on Jul 25, 2021 21:36:49 GMT -6
Anyone have any idea what Bob dylans recording setup was for his early 60s recordings? Those are solid recordings with great presence in the guitar and vocal. Curious if he used dynamic mics.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jul 25, 2021 22:06:53 GMT -6
Anyone have any idea what Bob dylans recording setup was for his early 60s recordings? Those are solid recordings with great presence in the guitar and vocal. Curious if he used dynamic mics. Can’t remember exactly but I believe it was a pair of u47s. Definitely not dynamics. There’s some photos of the Freewheeling sessions searchable out there.
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Post by dreamsambas on Jul 26, 2021 9:46:35 GMT -6
For Dylan's 60s stuff, vocals were usually a 67 or an M49. The exceptions were his debut, which had an RCA 77 on vocals, and some of his nashville sessions in the late 60s, where he used a U47. In the 70s, he preferred to use an MD421 in the studio. Guitar mic was usually a KM56 or an M160.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jul 26, 2021 11:31:02 GMT -6
For Dylan's 60s stuff, vocals were usually a 67 or an M49. The exceptions were his debut, which had an RCA 77 on vocals, and some of his nashville sessions in the late 60s, where he used a U47. In the 70s, he preferred to use an MD421 in the studio. Guitar mic was usually a KM56 or an M160. M49, that's what I was thinking of. Didn't know he was using an m160 on guitar, do you know which albums? I've always thought Dylan had some of the best acoustic guitar sounds around. (Not including World Gone Wrong, whose idea was it to DI a guitar for Bob freakin' Dylan??)
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Post by dreamsambas on Jul 26, 2021 14:06:00 GMT -6
Haha agreed! I think an M160 was used occasionally on Dylan's first few albums, from what I've read. The KM56 seemed to have been more common though.
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Post by OtisGreying on Sept 29, 2021 3:37:05 GMT -6
So figure 8 on my Serrano pretty much solves this for me full force. I didn’t think to use it until today, and boom now I don’t need to drop 1k on an SM7 which is what I was about to do, and the vocal sound is phenomenal and separated from my boomy slappy playing! Such a difference in having that feature. Tothemoon
Dialing in little labs IBP made a tremendous difference too. For a while I couldn’t hear what sounded better but then I finally started hearing the changes in tightness twisting the knobs. Big difference in the low end.
Although the little labs plug is hard to use cause it’s all ears. I often here something getting “tighter” than two tracks who’s waveforms are perfectly in time, so I guess there’s some nulling in the low end or something that is confusing my ear? Maybe I should stick to just nudging the waveforms by eye and not ear.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 29, 2021 8:50:29 GMT -6
When recording Like a Rolling Stone, I believe the U67 was the main mic.
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Post by gwlee7 on Sept 29, 2021 18:51:53 GMT -6
So figure 8 on my Serrano pretty much solves this for me full force. I didn’t think to use it until today, and boom now I don’t need to drop 1k on an SM7 which is what I was about to do, and the vocal sound is phenomenal and separated from my boomy slappy playing! Such a difference in having that feature. Tothemoon Dialing in little labs IBP made a tremendous difference too. For a while I couldn’t hear what sounded better but then I finally started hearing the changes in tightness twisting the knobs. Big difference in the low end. Although the little labs plug is hard to use cause it’s all ears. I often here something getting “tighter” than two tracks who’s waveforms are perfectly in time, so I guess there’s some nulling in the low end or something that is confusing my ear? Maybe I should stick to just nudging the waveforms by eye and not ear. Too many are loving the Serrano for it to be a fluke. This ain’t GS.
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Post by chessparov on Sept 29, 2021 19:10:36 GMT -6
Girl Scouts? Chris
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Post by gwlee7 on Sept 29, 2021 20:16:53 GMT -6
Girl Scouts? Chris I am boycotting the Girl Scouts since they stopped selling Thanx A Lot cookies in Texas.
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