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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 16, 2021 19:15:57 GMT -6
Studios are still using tape and it still sounds more hifi than pcm. The beatles also used tape and it sounds anything but hifi. That’s just flat out wrong. A CD is cleaner than any tape machine. Modern converters with modern IC opamps smoke them. It’s just the typical interface and multichannel converter is using cheap junk. A lot of tape machines used junk. Most of them were not Ampex or Studer. Many of the 80s Japanese ones that were very common are broken in ways that render them unrepairable without cannibalism. That tape will still get converted. Most vinyl pressings are direct metal mastered and go through a worse converter than what’s in any non budget interface. Especially almost every production costly enough to afford tape reals that gets a big pressing. I paid out the wazoo to have my last record mastered at a house with its own lathe for this reason. Not a lot of options if you want that.
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Post by gouge on May 16, 2021 20:46:19 GMT -6
Electrical audio is just one example where no computers are used. I think our exposure becomes the norm for us but its no more than a construct to validate our personal choices. Me included. Electrical Audio tracks to ProTools. There’s a computer monitor right on their first website photo. I’ve recorded on three (I think, maybe four?) records in true analog studios. No PT no nothing. It’s very freeing in one way but has its own set of issues. And it’s never sounded all that great in my experience. they offer protools for people such as yourself that think tape sounds bad. besides they are upfront about why they prefer tape.
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Post by gouge on May 16, 2021 20:51:55 GMT -6
You're kidding right. You think electrical audio recording (to name just one) sound like that. Or that gear is not reliable. Seriously im gonna have to strongly dissagree. Im using gear from 1950 but there is no way i can even fire up my digital gear from 15 years ago. Drivers are old and out of date and its all unsupported. This thread is one big complaint about a digital system thats not working. The conversation about digital also relies on you not having the otb gear to a/b. Then youll hear what sounds better. Did you even read the comment you’re responding to? He said that it’s most likely the engineers he’s worked with. And I’ve recorded in lots of big studios, on many consoles and maintenance is absolutely an issue. There’s always channels that are out, buttons that stick, scratchy pots, phantom power that doesn’t work on channel XYZ, a bad soldier joint in a cable snake etc etc. I don’t mean to imply that major studios these days are a reck, but keeping an all analog studio (with a LFAC) is a maintenance intensive job. It just comes with the territory. That doesn’t mean analog gear is “unreliable” (which nobody said), just that maintenance is a huge (and valid) concern. yep i read it. the idea being that because every engineer he's worked with can't make tape sound good it;'s a low quality format. he's said more than once the format produces low quality. yet we have so many examples of that not being the case. some going back to the 50's lets be real about this.,.. i use plugs and pcm converters because it';s cheaper, easier, transportable and requires less space. at no point do i think it sounds better.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 17, 2021 1:14:42 GMT -6
Electrical Audio tracks to ProTools. There’s a computer monitor right on their first website photo. I’ve recorded on three (I think, maybe four?) records in true analog studios. No PT no nothing. It’s very freeing in one way but has its own set of issues. And it’s never sounded all that great in my experience. they offer protools for people such as yourself that think tape sounds bad. besides they are upfront about why they prefer tape. Where did I say that tape sounds bad? I tracked my last record to tape. We converted it to digital afterwards and mixed hybrid. I love the sound of tape. Are we on Gearsafespace?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 17, 2021 1:17:17 GMT -6
Did you even read the comment you’re responding to? He said that it’s most likely the engineers he’s worked with. And I’ve recorded in lots of big studios, on many consoles and maintenance is absolutely an issue. There’s always channels that are out, buttons that stick, scratchy pots, phantom power that doesn’t work on channel XYZ, a bad soldier joint in a cable snake etc etc. I don’t mean to imply that major studios these days are a reck, but keeping an all analog studio (with a LFAC) is a maintenance intensive job. It just comes with the territory. That doesn’t mean analog gear is “unreliable” (which nobody said), just that maintenance is a huge (and valid) concern. yep i read it. the idea being that because every engineer he's worked with can't make tape sound good it;'s a low quality format. he's said more than once the format produces low quality. yet we have so many examples of that not being the case. some going back to the 50's lets be real about this.,.. i use plugs and pcm converters because it';s cheaper, easier, transportable and requires less space. at no point do i think it sounds better. What I said was that the “all analog fetish” studios don’t sound great. I know plenty of engineers who can track to tape nicely. But the ones who do it well use it as one of many flavors in the soup. And personally I don’t like the tape workflow for overdubs. Though I love it for basic tracking for creative reasons too nuanced for this conversation.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 17, 2021 1:26:30 GMT -6
Did you even read the comment you’re responding to? He said that it’s most likely the engineers he’s worked with. And I’ve recorded in lots of big studios, on many consoles and maintenance is absolutely an issue. There’s always channels that are out, buttons that stick, scratchy pots, phantom power that doesn’t work on channel XYZ, a bad soldier joint in a cable snake etc etc. I don’t mean to imply that major studios these days are a reck, but keeping an all analog studio (with a LFAC) is a maintenance intensive job. It just comes with the territory. That doesn’t mean analog gear is “unreliable” (which nobody said), just that maintenance is a huge (and valid) concern. yep i read it. the idea being that because every engineer he's worked with can't make tape sound good it;'s a low quality format. he's said more than once the format produces low quality. yet we have so many examples of that not being the case. some going back to the 50's lets be real about this.,.. i use plugs and pcm converters because it';s cheaper, easier, transportable and requires less space. at no point do i think it sounds better. And just to totally put this bizarre line of logic to bed, I tracked my most recent personal project (my own band) here… www.public-hifi.com/ and mixed here www.gooddannys.com and mastered at Sterling Sound with Greg Calbi. My point in saying that is that you should save the binary thinking for arguing at Thanksgiving and on Gearsafespace, your assumptions on this thread are way off. So let’s move on.
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Post by gouge on May 17, 2021 1:50:33 GMT -6
yep i read it. the idea being that because every engineer he's worked with can't make tape sound good it;'s a low quality format. he's said more than once the format produces low quality. yet we have so many examples of that not being the case. some going back to the 50's lets be real about this.,.. i use plugs and pcm converters because it';s cheaper, easier, transportable and requires less space. at no point do i think it sounds better. What I said was that the “all analog fetish” studios don’t sound great. I know plenty of engineers who can track to tape nicely. But the ones who do it well use it as one of many flavors in the soup. And personally I don’t like the tape workflow for overdubs. Though I love it for basic tracking for creative reasons too nuanced for this conversation. Ok. So you are saying all analogue doesnt sound great. No worries. Luckily then we can buy digital versions of all analogue cause it sounds much better. Like luna.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 17, 2021 7:34:33 GMT -6
What I said was that the “all analog fetish” studios don’t sound great. I know plenty of engineers who can track to tape nicely. But the ones who do it well use it as one of many flavors in the soup. And personally I don’t like the tape workflow for overdubs. Though I love it for basic tracking for creative reasons too nuanced for this conversation. Ok. So you are saying all analogue doesnt sound great. No worries. Luckily then we can buy digital versions of all analogue cause it sounds much better. Like luna. Sure. Close enough for jazz.
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Post by Tbone81 on May 17, 2021 8:54:55 GMT -6
Some people want to argue over nothing
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Post by Johnkenn on May 17, 2021 9:05:41 GMT -6
Good Lord...stop
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Post by kcatthedog on May 17, 2021 13:42:54 GMT -6
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 17, 2021 15:20:34 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on May 24, 2021 13:59:52 GMT -6
Surprise demo reset...hmmm...maybe they're just being nice.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 24, 2021 14:38:33 GMT -6
Could be or they are not moving as many API consoles as they had hoped ? Sell the sizzle !?
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Post by Drew @ UA on May 24, 2021 14:47:25 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on May 24, 2021 16:08:52 GMT -6
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Post by Drew @ UA on May 24, 2021 17:24:05 GMT -6
fixed.
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Post by Drew @ UA on Jun 1, 2021 13:56:32 GMT -6
Also released in v9.14:
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Post by phantom on Jun 1, 2021 14:15:57 GMT -6
Cedar is the bomb, unfortunately is too expensive.
I'm glad UAD brought them to it's system.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 1, 2021 19:17:13 GMT -6
I’ll think about it much later when the price falls.
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