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Post by kcatthedog on May 11, 2021 10:33:35 GMT -6
UAD Software v9.14 Complete Release Notes New UAD Plug-Ins from Universal Audio • API Vision Channel Strip Collection with Unison technology - New API Vision Channel Strip - Updated API Vision Channel Strip Legacy • API Preamp with Unison technology New UAD Plug-Ins from Direct Development Partner • C-Suite C-Vox Noise & Ambience Reduction from C-Suite Audio Other Enhancements and Changes • Refreshed dbx 160 Compressor/Limiter - New larger graphic interface - New sidechain filter control - New parallel Mix control • (Apollo) Support for LUNA Recording System v1.1.8 • (API 560) Reduced plug-in latency from 56 samples to 55 samples • (API 2500) Updated default Threshold setting • (Softube Vocoder) Swipe across band sliders to draw an amplitude curve • (Softube Vocoder) Resolved intermittent Device Error -38 • (Big Sur) Resolved intermittent issues connecting to UAD-2 Satellite Thunderbolt • (Console Recall) Resolved crash that could occur in mono with Pro Tools & macOS Big Sur • (Apollo) Firmware updates for some models to improve general quality and performance • (Apollo-Mac) Audio is now sample-aligned when different models are multi-unit cascaded • (Apollo-Win) Channel Settings are no longer reset when connecting USB models • (macOS) High resolution Retina display graphics for select UAD plug-ins: - Brigade Chorus - dbx 160 Compressor - Fairchild Tube Limiter Collection - Galaxy Tape Echo - Precision K-Stereo - Studio D Chorus === LUNA 1.1.8 API Vision Console Emulation Bundle uadforum.com/luna-recording-...t-get-app.html
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Post by indiehouse on May 11, 2021 11:31:50 GMT -6
I admit to wanting most everything UAD makes. I am a sucker for their marketing/vibe. However, I have cut myself off from them. I am sure it all sounds fantastic. But I can’t help but feeling constantly fleeced, especially with Luna locked software. I already have the API Vision channel strip with what I thought was the unison preamp. But now there’s a new thing? That’s Luna specific? At least with the API Vision, I can take that with me to whatever DAW I want to use. But with all this Luna specific add-on software, that’s not re-sellable in the traditional sense, I’d further be locked into using Luna. I don’t like it. But, no ones forcing me to use Luna, and it looks so cool! And I’m betting sounds fantastic!
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Post by kcatthedog on May 11, 2021 11:38:40 GMT -6
, the Luna/Apollo dependency was problematic for me too. If you own vision, you might want to check your ua account as I believe there are discounts? Some of the new features may not be Luna dependent too? I don’t own any ua API plugs so $699 usd seems rich.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 11, 2021 11:45:27 GMT -6
I own the Vision channel strip (which I honestly never use) and the API EQs which I do use. My discount is now $524 compared to $699. whoopie. I'm definitely going to try it out - and no doubt it looks cool as shit - but listening to the video didn't really blow me away. Love UA, but I've got to tighten my belt these days. Wish they had done this with Neve instead.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 11, 2021 11:48:20 GMT -6
From ua site:
“Quote Originally Posted by Appledude View Post So if I get the emulation bundle do I get the new vision strip and preamp or are those a separate purchase? from the product page:
The API Vision Console Emulation Bundle also includes UAD plug‑in versions of the API Preamp, Vision Channel Strip Collection, and API 2500 Bus Compressor, letting you track and mix in real time with Apollo and your favorite DAW.“
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Post by kcatthedog on May 11, 2021 11:49:40 GMT -6
Neve and ssl, must be in the wings, and perhaps Trident , Helios, etc.?
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Post by javamad on May 11, 2021 12:10:19 GMT -6
I have the Vision Channel Strip (which I use a lot) and the 2500 Compressor .... there is a discount for the Console Emulation bundle in my account .. it shows as costing €174 ... but still feels steep given I already have the main component pieces.
Hopefully some sort of coupon appears to get it down even more??
I also have the SSL Channel Strip and Bus compressor and the Neve Channel Strip and bus compressors... so when those eventually come out I may go for them ... I really like the idea of the integration into LUNA as Console emulation .. will have to see how it looks/feels in the video presentation and demo it ....
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Post by phantom on May 11, 2021 12:27:37 GMT -6
I don't know. I'll not use Apollo as interface for some good years. But I use every single day UAD plugins with my satellites.
So, I can't help but feel kind of left out with these Luna releases. I feel that UA is asking me too much to enjoy the plataform. I have to have a mac, and an Apollo, and use the DAW they want.
Anyway, look cool, but not for me. The experiences I had with this type of workflow, with the strip always on the screen, was kind of a gimmick.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 11, 2021 12:27:51 GMT -6
From ua site: “Quote Originally Posted by Appledude View Post So if I get the emulation bundle do I get the new vision strip and preamp or are those a separate purchase? from the product page: The API Vision Console Emulation Bundle also includes UAD plug‑in versions of the API Preamp, Vision Channel Strip Collection, and API 2500 Bus Compressor, letting you track and mix in real time with Apollo and your favorite DAW.“ So the API Vision CE Bundle gets you everything, right? Apparently, I'm getting $175 credit ($524) for owning the Vision strip...but the discounts don't give credit for the EQs. And I have zero coupons.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 11, 2021 12:28:36 GMT -6
I don't know. I'll not use Apollo as interface for some good years. But I use every single day UAD plugins with my satellites. So, I can't help but feel kind of left out with these Luna releases. I feel that UA is asking me too much to enjoy the plataform. I have to have a mac, and an Apollo, and use the DAW they want. Anyway, look cool, but not for me. The experiences I had with this type of workflow, with the strip always on the screen, was kind of a gimmick. I don't always want API...
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Post by javamad on May 11, 2021 12:36:38 GMT -6
I don't know. I'll not use Apollo as interface for some good years. But I use every single day UAD plugins with my satellites. So, I can't help but feel kind of left out with these Luna releases. I feel that UA is asking me too much to enjoy the plataform. I have to have a mac, and an Apollo, and use the DAW they want. Anyway, look cool, but not for me. The experiences I had with this type of workflow, with the strip always on the screen, was kind of a gimmick. I don't always want API... I think the concept of having API, SSL and Neve (and others I am sure) to mix and match is a great idea... pretty sure this is where this is going.
I am looking forward to seeing how it actually feels to work with it .. to really go with the concept you'd have to only use other eq for maybe some surgical stuff.
A few reverb and delay sends means maybe less than 10 other plugins on the mix (Captial chanbers, Lex 224) ... could be cool.
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Post by sirthought on May 11, 2021 12:58:14 GMT -6
From what I understand it breaks down like this: - New standalone Unison preamp, which is same preamp from the Vision strip, and just like with the Neve preamp, you can get the API sound while tracking without the DSP needing to cover EQ and dynamics. If you're happy running the Vision strip then this is unnecessary, but nice if you are really strapped for DSP.
- Updated the API Vision Channel Strip. Really the only notable change is you can switch the EQ section from a 550L to a 560. This is more similar to what Plugin Alliance and Lindell are offering in their recent API channel strip package. This product is still DSP run and works on any DAW. I own the old version and they want $150 for me to upgrade, which ain't happening at that price. The added EQ isn't enough for me to pay that.
- No update to the API EQ Collection, nor the API 2500 compressor.
- New API Vision Luna extension bundle which just has everything detailed above, except it's packaged for Luna layout and it runs on your CPU and not DSP. I guess it is not including the 550A, just the 550L which are different.
I bought into UAD way before Luna, and still use Logic more, so I actually like the idea of utilizing DSP, even though I understand todays computers should be able to handle those plugins fine. Should be interesting to see how a fully loaded console of these strips impact your CPU. I also think it's kind of funny to buy into the extension when if you own the stand alone plugins you can already track with them latency free{ish}. The main thing you'd be paying for is freeing up DSP and the new graphic interface layout. Total UAD move to have something that's good quality but not really worth what they are asking.
I'm also curious about the C-Vox plug for way too much money. They already have something that removes room reverb. I don't own that, and I wonder if you can use it in real time as you track. I guess this is going against something like Acon Digital's Deverberate or iZotope Rx. Only it seems like less capabilities.
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Post by sirthought on May 11, 2021 13:16:48 GMT -6
And just for comparison: the Lindell 50 strip is really similar to this. Switchable EQ section between a 3-band, 4=band, and graphic EQ options. The Dynamics is switchable between 525 FET compressor or the 2500 vca. I actually think the Lindell is a bit easier to read when working with it. They are asking $350 for it, but of course with PA there are opportunities to spend much less. My price is currently $179. And you can get it in their subscription bundles.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 11, 2021 13:18:14 GMT -6
So the Vision Emulation Bundle is ONLY the Luna extensions and doesn't include the entire product line? It's like having to buy the Neve 1073 and Neve Summing separately? That's hard to stomach.
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Post by sirthought on May 11, 2021 13:32:02 GMT -6
So the Vision Emulation Bundle is ONLY the Luna extensions and doesn't include the entire product line? It's like having to buy the Neve 1073 and Neve Summing separately? That's hard to stomach. No, I believe you get the DSP plugins as well as the extension. So, both versions like with the Studar and APEX options. CHECK THAT: the $349 price is just the extension. To get extension and plugins cost $500+. LOL But Luna is free, right?
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Post by kcatthedog on May 11, 2021 13:43:12 GMT -6
Remember, though in Luna you get the ARM functionality for I think lowest latency?
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Post by kcatthedog on May 11, 2021 13:44:42 GMT -6
Yes, Luna is free, but buying the new plugs is going to end up costing a lot (1,000’s), if one goes all in?
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Post by sirthought on May 11, 2021 13:47:40 GMT -6
Is that a question or a statement?
I am very satisfied with the level of latency I get now with Apollo and Logic. In my experience with Luna it hasn't felt any different, but I also haven't tracked a full band live in Luna.
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Post by phantom on May 11, 2021 13:51:40 GMT -6
I was watching the demonstration now.
Weak, imo. Nothing really new or different than opening a channel strip on all tracks. The always visible strip is even cumbersome to my eyes, I much prefer the "old" way of opening pop up windows and focus on what you are working. The sound is ok, but I can't help but feel that he could have done an equally or better mix on Pro Tools.
I don't want to rush on judgements, but I think I know what is happening. UAD is becoming native. That solves a lot of issues to them. But to do that and stay a closed system, they invented LUNA. DSP will still exist for tracking, but for mixing they'll prefer a native solution.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 11, 2021 13:54:23 GMT -6
A statement and agreed ARM may or may not be a value add: depending on your interface.
I get the Luna appeal, but like you am perfectly happy in logic and didn’t like the idea of everything done in Luna requiring an Apollo.
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 11, 2021 14:14:16 GMT -6
Let me get this straight...when using Luna, some UAD plug-ins can be used natively?
If that's the case, it just seems like Luna is the replacement dongle. So long octo cards and hello Luna.
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Post by 80hz on May 11, 2021 14:18:59 GMT -6
Let me get this straight...when using Luna, some UAD plug-ins can be used natively? If that's the case, it just seems like Luna is the replacement dongle. So long octo cards and hello Luna. I believe that when using Luna, any Luna extensions and emulations (consoles, tape, compressors, etc.) run on the native computer CPU. All other UAD plugins still require UAD DSP. But this allows for a ton of offloading of console emulating onto your computer where you can probably get your mix 80-90% of the way there, and then reserve the DSP for reverbs, and effects mainly
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Post by phantom on May 11, 2021 14:20:57 GMT -6
Let me get this straight...when using Luna, some UAD plug-ins can be used natively? If that's the case, it just seems like Luna is the replacement dongle. So long octo cards and hello Luna. Yes, all Luna extensions are native. And they are slowly porting some UAD plugins as extensions. I guess some extensions are a bit different in functionality, like the Studer Tape. But this API Vision is clearly the exact same thing, but native.
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Post by sirthought on May 11, 2021 14:22:20 GMT -6
Let me get this straight...when using Luna, some UAD plug-ins can be used natively? If that's the case, it just seems like Luna is the replacement dongle. So long octo cards and hello Luna. It's early days still, but they have two summing options, three tape options, and now this new channel strip collection all native. You need iLok, so it is the new dongle. The DSP still works great but they can't lean on that solely forever. The gotcha is you still need a UAD interface to go with their native options.
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Post by phantom on May 11, 2021 14:30:19 GMT -6
Let me get this straight...when using Luna, some UAD plug-ins can be used natively? If that's the case, it just seems like Luna is the replacement dongle. So long octo cards and hello Luna. It's early days still, but they have two summing options, three tape options, and now this new channel strip collection all native. You need iLok, so it is the new dongle. The DSP still works great but they can't lean on that solely forever. The gotcha is you still need a UAD interface to go with their native options. being forced to have an Apollo while everything is native really pisses me off in all this Luna thing. I mean, if you are not tracking, there is literally no processing being used from the Apollo. it's a business decision, not a technical one, that I'm sure.
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