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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 24, 2014 9:58:04 GMT -6
I emailed Phil Moore - creator/owner of Retro - about the Powerstrip. Phil likes to stay above the fray regrading message boards (I can understand: see Steven Slate)...Here's what his response: I have used the powerstrip and I can tell you that it is super lush. It is the vocal sound of the recent award-winning LBT Pontoon record, which to me is some of the best vocals I've ever heard. Compare it to LBTs previous offerings and there you go. Don't sell your Sta-Level or you will be very very sad. lol. Best, Phil So no the word is out...I have a buying and selling problem  |
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Post by wiz on Apr 24, 2014 15:48:21 GMT -6
Never even seen one in the flesh...
would someone be able to post a vocal tracked with out it.. and then another take with it doing its -20dB comp thing.. would love to hear it.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 24, 2014 15:59:22 GMT -6
Cool - I might attempt that tonight...I'll try not to sing any more Simply Red |
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Post by wiz on Apr 24, 2014 16:02:09 GMT -6
John, you could sing "I like traffic lights" by Monty Python and I would listen to it... 8)
or I could send you my warblings and you could run the track though it..
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 24, 2014 16:35:41 GMT -6
Send her on if you want! Info@realgearonline.com
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 24, 2014 17:57:31 GMT -6
Did you guys buy your STA's new or used?
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Post by matt on Apr 24, 2014 18:12:59 GMT -6
Used, one owner, and pristine.
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Post by Randge on Apr 24, 2014 18:38:04 GMT -6
I don't have a Sta but I do have a nice RCA BA-25 and an 86a. So, I am not exactly desperate for a gooey comp, but some day, I am gonna build one. Buy it if the money is there. Resale alone is as good a reason as any.
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Post by wiz on Apr 24, 2014 18:41:40 GMT -6
Email sent John
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is there a jumping up and down emoticon? 8)
thanks bud
cheers
Wiz
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Apr 24, 2014 20:10:26 GMT -6
It'll be impressive wiz. Get ready to GAS.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 24, 2014 20:54:05 GMT -6
Did you guys buy your STA's new or used? Which ones? I bought two used two new... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 24, 2014 21:02:27 GMT -6
Here are an Acoustic and Vocal file that wiz sent over...Don't know if you wanted me to, but I normalized all the results to -6db peaks. BTW, it sounds like the vocal was already compressed...but I could be wrong. Honestly, I'm not sure I would compress them anymore...but this should give you an idea what the Sta sounds like... Original - https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/originalI set the Vox to Double attack, 1 o'clock release which is slowish but not syrupy. For both files, I set the Acoustic Guitar to Single Attack, 11 o'clock release. A little slower than usual but it sounded good there. The Acoustic hit -15db Gain Reduction on peaks... -10 peak GR on Vox - https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/sta-10vox-20 peak GR on Vox - https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/sta-20 |
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 24, 2014 21:18:15 GMT -6
that thing sounds nice! It's not level matched though, i'm having to turn down hard on switching between samples?
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 24, 2014 21:25:19 GMT -6
Yeah, yeah...I don't know what the hell I'm doing. How do you level match it? I thought normalizing it would at least get it to where it doesn't peak any louder.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 24, 2014 21:26:13 GMT -6
Damnit Jim, I'm a songwriter, not a fucking nerdy engineer...
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 24, 2014 21:47:16 GMT -6
just run the three samples tracks in your daw to a master solo'd one at a time and set each source faders so it peaks at 0 on the master, then bouncem out.... or just let everyone use their volume control lol
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Post by wiz on Apr 24, 2014 21:47:55 GMT -6
Thanks so much for taking the time to do that John. Really great of you.
The files, are really interesting to me.
That STA is a monster acoustic guitar compressor, period.
I (probably more than anyone listening to this for the first time) can really appreciate its ability, as its me playing and singing, and I know the pitfalls of that particular performance( note I picked this one, as its the extremes of what I can sing)
The path for the vocal is U87 BAE 1073DMP Drip LA2A with a small amount of tracking compression (my normal tracking chain, though the pre gets substituted.)
The acoustic is Maton Messiah, KM84 JLM Audio TG500 pre, no comp
which EXACT model of STA is this, I find them confusing, can you provide me to a link of what it is please?
Does anyone know, if the DRIP version is close to this? same? completely different?
I love, love, love what it does to the acoustic guitar, and I have been chasing an acoustic guitar compressor forever but have been unable to find ANYTHING that doesn't screw up the harmonic content, till now... dammit 8)
I would love to track vocals through it, as I love the feeling of singing "into" a comp, you can sort of float along with it.
thanks again, absolutely great of you to take the time to help out this marooned convict on the other side of the pond!!!!
cheers
Wiz
PS if you would like to see the song how it was done originally, it was part of a few I did where I tracked and filmed them live in the studio....
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Post by RicFoxx on Apr 24, 2014 21:49:11 GMT -6
Damnit Jim, I'm a songwriter, not a fucking nerdy engineer... lol |
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 24, 2014 21:52:49 GMT -6
i believe the drip is contingent upon the parts you put in it, the really highend parts make it nicer of course, but i don't know if that is a good thing? littlesicily thought there was a sig difference between the retro and the drip, and he knows what is... I don't know what level he took his build to? good luck wiz |
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Post by littlesicily on Apr 24, 2014 22:00:01 GMT -6
i believe the drip is contingent upon the parts you put in it, the really highend parts make it nicer of course, but i don't know if that is a good thing? littlesicily thought there was a sig difference between the retro and the drip, and he knows what is... I don't know what level he took his build to? good luck wiz I have the DRIP STA now and got it from a friend who upgraded a lot of stuff, but not certain of the list. Never compared directly to Retro but my memory tells me the Retro is a tad cleaner than the DRIP. Me and Johnkenn have been talking about comparing when we have time. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 24, 2014 22:03:19 GMT -6
i believe the drip is contingent upon the parts you put in it, the really highend parts make it nicer of course, but i don't know if that is a good thing? littlesicily thought there was a sig difference between the retro and the drip, and he knows what is... I don't know what level he took his build to? good luck wiz I have the DRIP STA now and got it from a friend who upgraded a lot of stuff, but not certain of the list. Never compared directly to Retro but my memory tells me the Retro is a tad cleaner than the DRIP. Me and Johnkenn have been talking about comparing when we have time. this would be HUGE! edit; ok, i just read my response lol 8/ maybe not huge, but i would really love to know what you guys would find out. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 24, 2014 22:04:22 GMT -6
You should definitely hear it on a vox that hasn't been compressed. I'm not sure this was a good test because the peaks were already compressed, so in order to get it to those levels of compression, we were bringing the noise floor up and doubling up on an already colored LA2A...The thing that I'm amazed about on vocals is just how smooth the compression is - just how you can't hear it working...it's like the perfect attack and release and if I can use it, that shit ain't hard to dial in. You don't hear the compression (unless you want to) but the sonic thickness is just this beautiful euphonic velvet. Not the airy eshiness of tube optos...(no offense tube opto owners)
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 24, 2014 22:06:07 GMT -6
i believe the drip is contingent upon the parts you put in it, the really highend parts make it nicer of course, but i don't know if that is a good thing? littlesicily thought there was a sig difference between the retro and the drip, and he knows what is... I don't know what level he took his build to? good luck wiz I have the DRIP STA now and got it from a friend who upgraded a lot of stuff, but not certain of the list. Never compared directly to Retro but my memory tells me the Retro is a tad cleaner than the DRIP. Me and Johnkenn have been talking about comparing when we have time. You around tomorrow? I'll also forward you wiz email if you wanna try it... That was my take when I sang through it that time. The Drip was more colored/fuzzy... |
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 24, 2014 22:11:06 GMT -6
I was reading through the drip sta- documentation, you can really manipulate the parts choices in conjunction with tubes to dial a sound, i really need to build one and MAKE it work. My guess is it'd probably cost between $1,000 to 1,500... not too bad.
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Post by littlesicily on Apr 24, 2014 22:12:24 GMT -6
I have the DRIP STA now and got it from a friend who upgraded a lot of stuff, but not certain of the list. Never compared directly to Retro but my memory tells me the Retro is a tad cleaner than the DRIP. Me and Johnkenn have been talking about comparing when we have time. You around tomorrow? I'll also forward you wiz email if you wanna try it... That was my take when I sang through it that time. The Drip was more colored/fuzzy... I'm slammed tmrw. |
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