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Post by mhbunch on Feb 2, 2021 10:22:53 GMT -6
I guess I never understood the controller thing. I just moved the mixer out of the studio because I found working ITB to be faster and easier. Moving a trackball and using keyboard shortcuts is a lot faster than reaching for faders and pushing menu buttons 20 times to flip through all your settings.. I love my trackpad which works cool under logic X I’m a track pad dude myself, but I do use a Faderport when I want to write in automation moves that feel more natural. It’s actually really convenient and a time saver for that. Which you can get for under $100 used - SSL is entering a market that presonus, “B”, softube and others are already established in. Curious to see how this goes.
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Post by svart on Feb 2, 2021 10:30:45 GMT -6
I guess I never understood the controller thing. I just moved the mixer out of the studio because I found working ITB to be faster and easier. Moving a trackball and using keyboard shortcuts is a lot faster than reaching for faders and pushing menu buttons 20 times to flip through all your settings.. It's absolutely impossible to ride tracks in a proper way with a mouse. That said, having only one fader would probably be enough to me. I wish Avid would make something like the faderport. I guess, but I just make a couple alt-clicks and I have fades in the DAW, automatic riding FTW.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 2, 2021 10:58:31 GMT -6
I don't 7nderstand why you guys think this will be cheap. The nucleus 2 is on sale now for $3800 (after a $1000 price cut). I imagine this will be the replacement at $5000.
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Post by Quint on Feb 2, 2021 11:03:47 GMT -6
I don't 7nderstand why you guys think this will be cheap. The nucleus 2 is on sale now for $3800 (after a $1000 price cut). I imagine this will be the replacement at $5000. It won't be cheap, even if it ends up coming in at only $2k or $3k. But that's the point. What will it bring to the table that you can't already get for much cheaper?
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Post by jmoose on Feb 2, 2021 11:10:07 GMT -6
I love my trackpad which works cool under logic X I’m a track pad dude myself, but I do use a Faderport when I want to write in automation moves that feel more natural. It’s actually really convenient and a time saver for that. Which you can get for under $100 used - SSL is entering a market that presonus, “B”, softube and others are already established in. Curious to see how this goes. I wouldn't say that Softube is in it. Their fader controller only works with certain systems & programs... its basically a windows VST thing. No support for Logic, Digital Performer, Pro Tools. I was interested and sorely disappointed. www.softube.com/support/faq-console1/console1dawchartI dig having faders, panning, mute & solo... I can mix faster and be more creative with that stuff then poking around with a mouse. Even just having physical controls for the transport. Anything that takes my eyes & mind off the screen is a good thing. Mousing around always makes me feel more like I'm playing Doom... except instead of killing evil monsters I'm killing bad audio. Part of the reason I still have a console, these days an SSL X Desk.
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Post by Blackdawg on Feb 2, 2021 11:31:48 GMT -6
Better be cheap Looking at the picture... The B Word is their main comp Cheers Wiz I mean an Avid S1 or a Dock isn't even that expensive overall. So can't be more than that either. Will have to hit a certain price point
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Post by tim on Feb 2, 2021 12:50:13 GMT -6
The problem with all these controllers is they're trying to retrofit them into the existing DAWs rather than building a new DAW around them. As much as they try there's still a disconnect. This is why I started building my own DAW. And no it won't be released on Feb 4th. And yes I'm insane. 😂
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Post by Quint on Feb 2, 2021 12:54:01 GMT -6
The problem with all these controllers is they're trying to retrofit them into the existing DAWs rather than building a new DAW around them. As much as they try there's still a disconnect. This is why I started building my own DAW. And no it won't be released on Feb 4th. And yes I'm insane. 😂 Tell us more. What controller are you trying to build around? Is it modelled on any particular framework?
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Post by kilroyrock on Feb 2, 2021 13:00:57 GMT -6
Looks like an artist mix to me. I just want this softube console one to work with pro tools, 3rd party interfaces with PT really disappoint me. HUI only goes so far
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Post by ericn on Feb 2, 2021 14:13:48 GMT -6
Looks like an artist mix to me. I just want this softube console one to work with pro tools, 3rd party interfaces with PT really disappoint me. HUI only goes so far There it is in a nutshell, we all want a control surface that actually controls everything! Not just faders, pans aux and transport! I don’t understand why AVID doesn’t license EUCON for hardware! Think about it imagine a protocol that would control your outboard! You could have just a small controller in front of you and control Preamps EQ’s comps ect.
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Post by superwack on Feb 2, 2021 14:33:16 GMT -6
To me the 3 best reasons to have an 8 channel control surface (currently have a Artist Mix but may switch it to an S1) are
• fader riding - admittedly you only really need 1 for that • doing a 2-knob move like when you grab both the input and output on an 1176 emu that for some godforsaken reason doesn't have a link control and/or you are using a DAW that doesn't let you link things • tip I picked up from Fab Dupont: I have 8 VCA groups set up (drums, bass, guitar, vocals, whatever), and using EUCON you can lock those to the faders so regardless of where I am on screen I can always reach over and mute the vocals or solo the drums or adjust the overall group level without having to leave the view I'm using the the DAW.
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Post by Blackdawg on Feb 2, 2021 14:47:20 GMT -6
The problem with all these controllers is they're trying to retrofit them into the existing DAWs rather than building a new DAW around them. As much as they try there's still a disconnect. This is why I started building my own DAW. And no it won't be released on Feb 4th. And yes I'm insane. 😂 That is why Avids controllers are...well the best.
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Post by javamad on Feb 4, 2021 5:09:34 GMT -6
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Post by ori9inal on Feb 4, 2021 5:38:26 GMT -6
It should be 1299$
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Post by javamad on Feb 4, 2021 5:41:50 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 4, 2021 8:17:31 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 10:22:45 GMT -6
SSL should just build their own daw or at least a Reaper skin. They already have the plugins
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Post by theshea on Feb 4, 2021 10:32:18 GMT -6
I guess I never understood the controller thing. I just moved the mixer out of the studio because I found working ITB to be faster and easier. Moving a trackball and using keyboard shortcuts is a lot faster than reaching for faders and pushing menu buttons 20 times to flip through all your settings.. I find a single fader to be enough to cover 99% of my needs. For those times when you want to ride the volume in real time. But what I really wish more people would do is incorporate "jog wheel" type rotary controls that are user definable. The steinberg controller has a function where the rotary control will control any parameter that your mouse is hover over. I think the audient interfaces do this too. Its super useful and quick and allows you to control sooo much more without hassling with midi mapping etc. Especially things like automating pan controls, synth filter sweeps etc. my thoughts exactly. all i would need is one fader for some automation rides. i had some 8 fader controllers in the past but didn't really use it. most of the time one fader was enough. one knob to control the button the mouse is over is a great idea. can the presonus faderport v2 do this? the faderport v2 would be the one i am looking for.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 4, 2021 10:33:39 GMT -6
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Post by seawell on Feb 4, 2021 15:08:00 GMT -6
I'm glad to see someone making a new controller but if you're using Pro Tools it's still hard to beat used D-Command prices these days.
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Post by Blackdawg on Feb 4, 2021 15:17:38 GMT -6
If you're using Protools it's hard to justify that over a new S1 honestly. Better integration im sure. Might even be cheaper.
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Post by wiz on Feb 4, 2021 18:46:59 GMT -6
I can't see this being a huge hit.... at three times the price of the Behringer.....unless you have to have the word SSL instead of the B Word in front of you.
I have owned a few control surfaces... Behringer, Alphatrack, Presonus Faderport, and one I can't think of the name of........ all of them end up not getting used... but that's my workflow I guess.
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Post by RealNoob on Feb 4, 2021 21:55:16 GMT -6
I guess I never understood the controller thing. I just moved the mixer out of the studio because I found working ITB to be faster and easier. Moving a trackball and using keyboard shortcuts is a lot faster than reaching for faders and pushing menu buttons 20 times to flip through all your settings.. I agree. I sold console one and my faderport. They just got in the way when it was all said and done.
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Feb 4, 2021 23:28:27 GMT -6
I watched a few videos on the product. It looks like it works well with protools. It’s not as refined in studio one. Will say it’s way overpriced. They are asking $1299 at sweetwater.
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Post by schmalzy on Feb 5, 2021 5:37:54 GMT -6
I guess I never understood the controller thing. I just moved the mixer out of the studio because I found working ITB to be faster and easier. Moving a trackball and using keyboard shortcuts is a lot faster than reaching for faders and pushing menu buttons 20 times to flip through all your settings.. I agree. I sold console one and my faderport. They just got in the way when it was all said and done. Oh, man. I can't imagine not using Console One. It's just so helpful and useful for my workflow. It's a super disappointing moment when I realize I need to add a plugin with different options than Console One gives me. WHY MUST I USE THIS MOUSE!!!!!!!! ??
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