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Post by skav on Jan 31, 2021 12:33:49 GMT -6
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Post by bricejchandler on Jan 31, 2021 12:37:29 GMT -6
I use Rycotte shockmounts for my Neumanns and they conveniently hide that big face on the mic!
It is a a pretty bold and rather ugly design choice.
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Post by ragan on Jan 31, 2021 12:40:31 GMT -6
When I got a TLM67 and the MaxMod MK67 kit to go in it, the first thing I did was get rid of that friggin' George Neumann head and repaint the body and Neumann badge to look more like a proper 67. Just rattle can paint and clear coat. Not a perfect match but not bad for $10 or so.  |
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Post by EmRR on Jan 31, 2021 12:44:07 GMT -6
I use Rycotte shockmounts for my Neumanns and they conveniently hide that big face on the mic! ^ this |
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 31, 2021 12:50:58 GMT -6
When I first saw this shoot out the TLM 102 really surprised me. I also think the TLM67 in this video is surprisingly good on both vocals featured here and even works well next to it’s more expensive tube siblings. I owned the TLM67 circuit for a while before grabbing the MK67 and modding it with the BV12. The TLM67 was really nice. A little less low end than the MkU67, but solid. I did a few classical studio vocals where it was requested over the U87ai and FleA 49. I’d actually like to just get one to have around at some point. I owned the TLM 170 for a while. It wasn’t my thing on my vocals, though I wish I had kept it for Emily’s sometimes, particularly the classical pieces. Playing around with it for the 6 months or so I owned it gave me the impression it would sound great on woodwinds and reeds and anything on the brighter side. Never had a chance to try it though. The TLM103 is really the Voice Over microphone. It excels at that. I know a few VO artists I work with that use them as their main mic. I’ve also heard it sound really good for a bright female vocal, ala Billie Eilish. I’ve heard a pair used as room mics in a classical setting capturing a choir and organ. That sounded decent enough. I wasn’t a fan of it on a few different vocals I used it on. We had it up next to the U87ai and BLUE Kiwi. Kiwi won on a male rock vocal and female jazz vocal. It was a toss up between the Kiwi and U87ai on my vocal. I’ve been kind of curious about the TLM49 myself, but it’s a little more than I’d want to spend on a cardioid only mic. A 67 with less low mids sounds interesting. I must admit I always found the TLM 67 body really unattractive. Although I'm all for giving praise where praise is deserved (neumann), It makes the mic look like a toy or something. Yeah I know, Its the inside that counts.. I have sold gear because I found it visibly uninspiring though.. I know, I know.. Less low end extension. Still has those low mids. I get not liking that logo either. Wish they would just give it a badge and be done. |
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Post by tkaitkai on Jan 31, 2021 13:11:57 GMT -6
Oh I forgot I've used the TLM49 and did not like it at all, maybe it had a bad capsule who knows but yikes...Plus it sounded nothing like an M49. Or is it supposed to be a cheaper M149 then? I don't know. I'm also not a fan of the TLM49. It's a frustrating mic. It almost sounds like it belongs in M49/U47 territory, but the midrange is just totally wacky to my ears. I bought it hoping for a cheaper M149 and it's just not even close. And for $1700? Knowing what I do now, I'd much rather grab a Peluso 2247 or Golden Age GA47 for that kind of money. It does sound nice in the VK shootout, though. |
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Post by bricejchandler on Jan 31, 2021 13:35:17 GMT -6
Oh I forgot I've used the TLM49 and did not like it at all, maybe it had a bad capsule who knows but yikes...Plus it sounded nothing like an M49. Or is it supposed to be a cheaper M149 then? I don't know. I'm also not a fan of the TLM49. It's a frustrating mic. It almost sounds like it belongs in M49/U47 territory, but the midrange is just totally wacky to my ears. I bought it hoping for a cheaper M149 and it's just not even close. And for $1700? Knowing what I do now, I'd much rather grab a Peluso 2247 or Golden Age GA47 for that kind of money. It does sound nice in the VK shootout, though. Maybe the capsules are really inconsistent I don't know. I also heard some clips where it sounded nice but when I had it I didn't like it at all. |
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Post by ab101 on Jan 31, 2021 13:50:57 GMT -6
I love my TLM 170s. First year purple badges. They don't have the mojo of vintage Neumanns but they sound great. Can take on the color of your preamp well. Totally! Reading this, still gives me pain. I had a pair in the 80s that I had to sell. The studio I sold them to was a very busy studio and high end studio, and they said the TLM170s were fantastic on overheads. I always wanted to get a pair again, but they are priced so high now. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 31, 2021 14:42:45 GMT -6
Tlm67 is great I think and under rated.
Tlm170 is a great all around mic. Neutral and just super usable.
Tlm193 is okay. Pretty specific useages though.
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Post by chessparov on Jan 31, 2021 15:20:03 GMT -6
TLM 193 sounds fine, for all the VO acting on Family Guy.
Chris
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 31, 2021 16:43:54 GMT -6
TLM 193 sounds fine, for all the VO acting on Family Guy. Chris ? you sure those aren't U87s? Pretty sure I've seen footage of them in the studio at Fox and it's all U87s. the 193 i think is good for a spot mic in some situations. |
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Post by chessparov on Jan 31, 2021 16:57:49 GMT -6
Might be "Photo Op's" ala Sinatra at Capitol. Frank sang on U48/C37a/77/etc. there. Just ask Bob O.  I've only read the 193 being used. Entirety possible, sometimes with U87ai. Chris |
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Post by Ward on Jan 31, 2021 17:16:56 GMT -6
Regarding the TLM170 chessparov, ab101, Blackdawg . . . I only have the one, and haven't ever used a pair as overheads (tempting as that sounds) but a TLM170 is basically a U89 with a U87 sized outer headbasket and a transformless output circuit. It is a U89 with the 150-250 hz bump flattened . . . and 1 - 2 db less self-noise. How does it sound? Like the last statement. Honest and true, accurate and uninspiring. Since we're being honest. I've had this one for over 20 years. And use it when it's needed. EDIT: I am the typo CHAMPEEN |
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Post by Mister Chase on Jan 31, 2021 18:10:20 GMT -6
Regarding the TLM170 chessparov , ab101 , Blackdawg . . . I only have the one, and haven't ever used a paid as overheads (tempting as that sounds) but a TLM170 is basically a U89 with a U87 sized outer headbasket and a transformless output circuit. It is a U89 with the 150-250 hz bump flattened . . . and 1 - 2 db less self-noise. How does it sound? Like the last statement. Honest and true, accurate and uninspiring. Since we're being honest. I've had this one for over 20 years. And use it when it's needed. Pretty much. It's really nice when you want that honesty. Nothing bad about the mic, for sure. I doubt I'll ever sell my pair. Cool on OH's sometimes, some vox, percussion, acoustic guitar steel string, nylon... idk. It works! I can't say it's ever sounded like magic, maybe once... |
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Post by chessparov on Jan 31, 2021 18:47:13 GMT -6
I'm keeping the TLM 170 definitely, in the back of my mind. That may be even better than the U89i/193, on my (strong Low Mids) voice. I nearly flew 3 feet backward, first time trying an AEA 44! But then again, I've been told a million times, never to exaggerate.  Being a "Tears For Fears" vocal microphone too, sure can't hurt. One example... "Everybody Wants To Rule The World". Chris P.S. Then again, for half the price, and since I record almost always in Cardiod... TLM 193 is much more practical, between those two! |
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Post by Ward on Jan 31, 2021 19:07:08 GMT -6
When I first saw this shoot out the TLM 102 really surprised me. I also think the TLM67 in this video is surprisingly good on both vocals featured here and even works well next to it’s more expensive tube siblings. I owned the TLM67 circuit for a while before grabbing the MK67 and modding it with the BV12. The TLM67 was really nice. A little less low end than the MkU67, but solid. I did a few classical studio vocals where it was requested over the U87ai and FleA 49. I’d actually like to just get one to have around at some point. I owned the TLM 170 for a while. It wasn’t my thing on my vocals, though I wish I had kept it for Emily’s sometimes, particularly the classical pieces. Playing around with it for the 6 months or so I owned it gave me the impression it would sound great on woodwinds and reeds and anything on the brighter side. Never had a chance to try it though. The TLM103 is really the Voice Over microphone. It excels at that. I know a few VO artists I work with that use them as their main mic. I’ve also heard it sound really good for a bright female vocal, ala Billie Eilish. I’ve heard a pair used as room mics in a classical setting capturing a choir and organ. That sounded decent enough. I wasn’t a fan of it on a few different vocals I used it on. We had it up next to the U87ai and BLUE Kiwi. Kiwi won on a male rock vocal and female jazz vocal. It was a toss up between the Kiwi and U87ai on my vocal. I’ve been kind of curious about the TLM49 myself, but it’s a little more than I’d want to spend on a cardioid only mic. No change in opinions on these microphones for the most part TLM102 almost works on Femvox like a U87 always works on guys TLM103 that whacky top end thing just bothers me TLM49 takes the 'singing' out of a voice like no other mic I've ever heard rendering it to making good singing sound like pitched talking M149 decent but not an M49 and yet less distortion and less self-noise making it very special M49 this one had a little more distortion that others I've heard U87ai great utility microphone TLM67 also a great utility microphone and somewhere between a U87ai and a TLM170 U47 surprisingly does not win this shootout although the built-in natural compression and De-essing is just other-worldly and shows why it's the GOAT Both U67s. The true GOATs. Everything just sounds absolutely magnificent to my ears. Tweaks? Sure, but the raw capture gives me everything and I have more to work with. Thanks for sharing Vinny!!! |
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Post by Ward on Jan 31, 2021 19:09:56 GMT -6
I'm also not a fan of the TLM49. It's a frustrating mic. It almost sounds like it belongs in M49/U47 territory, but the midrange is just totally wacky to my ears. I bought it hoping for a cheaper M149 and it's just not even close. And for $1700? Knowing what I do now, I'd much rather grab a Peluso 2247 or Golden Age GA47 for that kind of money. It does sound nice in the VK shootout, though. Maybe the capsules are really inconsistent I don't know. I also heard some clips where it sounded nice but when I had it I didn't like it at all. could not possibly agree more with you and tkaitkai !! Great broadcast microphone? |
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Post by chessparov on Jan 31, 2021 19:52:48 GMT -6
Not sure about the Peluso's overall. Sounded a bit bright/harsh, when I tried them (compared to their rivals).
Not enough time on them, for a definitive opinion either though.
I think that might have been the reason, why any mic manufacturers switched capsules from using them. (on some makes/models)
Chris
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Post by ab101 on Jan 31, 2021 20:46:48 GMT -6
. . . Honest and true, accurate and uninspiring. . . . I can see that as a description. as to uninspiring, sometimes that is good depending on the source. For instance, I have a really rich sounding grand piano, so I find that really clean uninspiring microphones do a great job with it - because all I want is something close to "wire and gain." On the other hand, there are many instruments, vocalists, etc. where it helps to have some inspiration from the microphone, and that can be in a matter of degrees. And maybe I am just being nostalgic for the pair of TLM170s I once had, but I sure would like to try them again, especially on drum overheads and grand piano. (If I had just one, I would probably like to try it on a rich acoustic bass or cello.) Best to all!!! |
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Post by chessparov on Jan 31, 2021 20:58:50 GMT -6
Great post!! Chris
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Post by Mister Chase on Jan 31, 2021 21:03:59 GMT -6
. . . Honest and true, accurate and uninspiring. . . . I can see that as a description. as to uninspiring, sometimes that is good depending on the source. For instance, I have a really rich sounding grand piano, so I find that really clean uninspiring microphones do a great job with it - because all I want is something close to "wire and gain." On the other hand, there are many instruments, vocalists, etc. where it helps to have some inspiration from the microphone, and that can be in a matter of degrees. And maybe I am just being nostalgic for the pair of TLM170s I once had, but I sure would like to try them again, especially on drum overheads and grand piano. (If I had just one, I would probably like to try it on a rich acoustic bass or cello.) Best to all!!! Can't believe I forgot piano. That's actually the ENTIRE reason I bought them. I was testing mics with a friend in a studio on one of their Steinway D's and listening back I loved them. There is so much information to process on grand pianos that an accurate, unassuming type mic can be so beautiful. More colored mics can be just too much. I just recorded my grandmother's second album in two years. She's going to be 94 in March. She has a vintage Knabe short grand that is very warm. The 170s as a pair into my Hardy m2 was just the trick. Sebatron Axis on the first album. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 31, 2021 21:54:05 GMT -6
Although it seems the mics that are not made no more gets the most love, what about these? 102, 103, 107 etc How are they really to work with? Thank you! I thought the TLM 49 was pretty decent. |
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Post by Mister Chase on Jan 31, 2021 22:01:45 GMT -6
When I first saw this shoot out the TLM 102 really surprised me. I also think the TLM67 in this video is surprisingly good on both vocals featured here and even works well next to it’s more expensive tube siblings. I owned the TLM67 circuit for a while before grabbing the MK67 and modding it with the BV12. The TLM67 was really nice. A little less low end than the MkU67, but solid. I did a few classical studio vocals where it was requested over the U87ai and FleA 49. I’d actually like to just get one to have around at some point. I owned the TLM 170 for a while. It wasn’t my thing on my vocals, though I wish I had kept it for Emily’s sometimes, particularly the classical pieces. Playing around with it for the 6 months or so I owned it gave me the impression it would sound great on woodwinds and reeds and anything on the brighter side. Never had a chance to try it though. The TLM103 is really the Voice Over microphone. It excels at that. I know a few VO artists I work with that use them as their main mic. I’ve also heard it sound really good for a bright female vocal, ala Billie Eilish. I’ve heard a pair used as room mics in a classical setting capturing a choir and organ. That sounded decent enough. I wasn’t a fan of it on a few different vocals I used it on. We had it up next to the U87ai and BLUE Kiwi. Kiwi won on a male rock vocal and female jazz vocal. It was a toss up between the Kiwi and U87ai on my vocal. I’ve been kind of curious about the TLM49 myself, but it’s a little more than I’d want to spend on a cardioid only mic. No change in opinions on these microphones for the most part TLM102 almost works on Femvox like a U87 always works on guys TLM103 that whacky top end thing just bothers me TLM49 takes the 'singing' out of a voice like no other mic I've ever heard rendering it to making good singing sound like pitched talking M149 decent but not an M49 and yet less distortion and less self-noise making it very special M49 this one had a little more distortion that others I've heard U87ai great utility microphone TLM67 also a great utility microphone and somewhere between a U87ai and a TLM170 U47 surprisingly does not win this shootout although the built-in natural compression and De-essing is just other-worldly and shows why it's the GOAT Both U67s. The true GOATs. Everything just sounds absolutely magnificent to my ears. Tweaks? Sure, but the raw capture gives me everything and I have more to work with. Thanks for sharing Vinny!!! Yea. u67s. I wont rest until I own a pair. They do that thing only they can do. Just love it. Oof. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Feb 1, 2021 1:08:12 GMT -6
When I first saw this shoot out the TLM 102 really surprised me. I also think the TLM67 in this video is surprisingly good on both vocals featured here and even works well next to it’s more expensive tube siblings. I owned the TLM67 circuit for a while before grabbing the MK67 and modding it with the BV12. The TLM67 was really nice. A little less low end than the MkU67, but solid. I did a few classical studio vocals where it was requested over the U87ai and FleA 49. I’d actually like to just get one to have around at some point. I owned the TLM 170 for a while. It wasn’t my thing on my vocals, though I wish I had kept it for Emily’s sometimes, particularly the classical pieces. Playing around with it for the 6 months or so I owned it gave me the impression it would sound great on woodwinds and reeds and anything on the brighter side. Never had a chance to try it though. The TLM103 is really the Voice Over microphone. It excels at that. I know a few VO artists I work with that use them as their main mic. I’ve also heard it sound really good for a bright female vocal, ala Billie Eilish. I’ve heard a pair used as room mics in a classical setting capturing a choir and organ. That sounded decent enough. I wasn’t a fan of it on a few different vocals I used it on. We had it up next to the U87ai and BLUE Kiwi. Kiwi won on a male rock vocal and female jazz vocal. It was a toss up between the Kiwi and U87ai on my vocal. I’ve been kind of curious about the TLM49 myself, but it’s a little more than I’d want to spend on a cardioid only mic. Whew, that vintage M49 on her voice was smokin'. Loved that thing. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 20, 2021 9:17:09 GMT -6
On a whim the other day I picked up a TLM49 used from Guitar Center. Should get it this week. I'm curious if will be to my FleA 49 what my U87ai is to my U67. If so, I'll keep it around. If not, I'll return it. I'll keep everyone posted.
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