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Post by Ward on Oct 3, 2021 10:40:33 GMT -6
As of tomorrow Melbourne will exceed the global record for the most days of any city under lockdown since the start of the pandemic - 245 days and counting. BLOODY HELL! How bad is the lockdown? Is it like Martial Law? |
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Post by drbill on Oct 3, 2021 17:12:00 GMT -6
If video's are to be believed, it looks to be getting very close to a totalitarian police state. rowmat - hope it's not as bad as it looks from the outside..... |
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Post by Quint on Oct 8, 2021 0:35:07 GMT -6
Quint, what do say we just scrap all the current issues on the table and start with a clean slate? I'd be totally cool with that. Done. Let's do it. Life is short, and I mean it. Also, I'm honestly just tired of this whole discussion, which is why I've checked out of it for the last few weeks. So when are we having brunch?  |
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Post by seawell on Oct 8, 2021 10:20:45 GMT -6
Quint , what do say we just scrap all the current issues on the table and start with a clean slate? I'd be totally cool with that. Done. Let's do it. Life is short, and I mean it. Also, I'm honestly just tired of this whole discussion, which is why I've checked out of it for the last few weeks. So when are we having brunch? Awesome man, glad to put it all behind us! Brunch it is  |
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Post by bgrotto on Oct 29, 2021 20:29:44 GMT -6
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Post by seawell on Oct 29, 2021 22:33:03 GMT -6
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Post by teejay on Oct 30, 2021 15:15:52 GMT -6
Man! Told myself I was going to stay out of this for good, as I fully respect everyone's position here but know we are not going to convince each other to change. So first, apology accepted. Second, my apologies for continuing the debate. With that said, here I go. Vaccinated People Also Spread the Delta Variant, Yearlong Study Shows Bloomberg, 10/28/21 - Study found similar peak viral load with or without shots
- Immunized household contacts have a 25% chance of infection
Leaky vaccines promote the transmission of more virulent virus Penn State, 2016 "Not all vaccines prevent infection. Some, known as leaky vaccines, prolong host survival or reduce disease symptoms without preventing viral replication and transmission." "Leaky vaccines work by enhancing host immunity to a particular pathogen, without necessarily blocking or slowing viral replication. The result is that infected but vaccinated individuals have extended survival, allowing highly virulent pathogen that would normally reach an evolutionary dead-end in a dead host..." "Read and colleagues found that although vaccines reduced the concentration of virus shed by birds, by extending survival, vaccinated individuals shed cumulatively higher amounts of highly virulent virus." "These highly virulent strains that survived in vaccinated or immune-protected individuals were then shown to be lethal in unvaccinated individuals. The results suggest that disease interventions that aim to prevent disease symptoms without preventing transmission can have dangerous evolutionary consequences and need to be considered in cases with imperfect vaccines." Science Brief: COVID-19 Vaccines and Vaccination CDC, 9/15/21 "In studies conducted before the emergence of the Delta variant, data from multiple studies in different countries suggested that people vaccinated with mRNA COVID-19 vaccines who develop COVID-19 generally have a lower viral load than unvaccinated people.(157, 165-169) This observation may indicate reduced transmissibility, as viral load has been identified as a key driver of transmission." (emphasis mine) "For the Delta variant, early data indicate vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with Delta have similar levels of viral RNA and culturable virus detected, indicating that some vaccinated people infected with the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 may be able to transmit the virus to others." "Together, these studies suggest that vaccinated people who become infected with Delta have potential to be less infectious than infected unvaccinated people. However, more data are needed to understand how viral shedding and transmission from fully vaccinated persons are affected by SARS-CoV-2 variants, time since vaccination, and other factors, particularly as transmission dynamics may vary based on the extent of exposure to the infected vaccinated person and the setting in which the exposure occurs." The CDC report I reference is overwhelmingly favorable to the vaccine. I don't mean to indicate it is not by the quotes I pulled, but those quotes are still a part of the document. Many of the conclusions in that report are prefaced with "suggests" ((and "may" and "potentially"). In fairness, there are a few "suggests" in the Penn State study as well, however that is not a COVID-specific study). As far as vaccine arguments go, both sides use that wording. What that tells me is there is some short-term evidence, but not enough for long-term, concrete conclusions either way at this point in time. And absolutely no way to predict long-term issues or effectiveness (third dose? fourth dose?). Regarding the long-term, we truly "don't know what we don't know". There is short-term risk if you don't vax, there is unknown long-term risk (and some short-term) if you do. And there is risk of more virulent development with a leaky vaccine, the definition of which these current vaccines meet. In a nutshell, some knowns now but a LOT of "knowns" to be determined down the road. |
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Post by sophiass091 on Dec 28, 2021 15:51:32 GMT -6
I thought for a long time whether to take the vaccine or not. It was a very difficult decision because many people say it's a bad idea and a lot of good. Until then, I often took vitamins from online pharmacy, exercised regularly, ate healthy food, had healthy sleep. It really improved my immunity but would not protect me from this disease. So I decided to make a vaccine and now I do not regret it at all |
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 30, 2021 7:05:19 GMT -6
I think on balance, it's sensible to get vaccinated.
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Post by Ward on Jan 3, 2022 18:41:58 GMT -6
I think on balance, it's sensible to get vaccinated. It is. Once proper testing is done in trials with control groups and results are published, tested, challenged, peer-reviewed and then the pharma companies apply for permission to push, i mean sell these drugs. Clinical trials are still ongoing with the current crop of 'vaccines' that are not yet FDA approved. until then, they are experimental drugs. These are just facts. But for measles, mumps, rubella, zika, hepatitis, hpv, polio, small pox, chicken pox and others? It is. I 100% agree |
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Post by matt@IAA on Jan 3, 2022 20:16:39 GMT -6
Pfizer has full FDA approval.
Moderna will likely follow in the next few months. Possibly with an additional warning testing to myocarditis.
Your facts, aren’t.
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 4, 2022 10:05:05 GMT -6
I think on balance, it's sensible to get vaccinated. It is. Once proper testing is done in trials with control groups and results are published, tested, challenged, peer-reviewed and then the pharma companies apply for permission to push, i mean sell these drugs. Clinical trials are still ongoing with the current crop of 'vaccines' that are not yet FDA approved. until then, they are experimental drugs. These are just facts. But for measles, mumps, rubella, zika, hepatitis, hpv, polio, small pox, chicken pox and others? It is. I 100% agree I teach drums to a top professor at the most prestigious UK scientific institute (I guess everyone needs a hobby) he has been involved in RNA vaccines for years before COVID started. He has been good enough to spend the time to explain why these vaccines are technically not drugs per say but in fact triggers (a reason he explained for their relatively rapid deployment that and the fact they’re not actually a new technology) he carefully explained the pros and cons (so to speak) and I like so many here in the UK including all the top medical professionals at the hospital my wife works at have made a balanced decision to get myself and all my family vaccinated. I think all one can do is make an informed balanced decision and if that decision in your case is to not get vaccinated, then I think both views are perfectly reasonable and understandable. |
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Post by seawell on Jan 4, 2022 11:40:11 GMT -6
I think all one can do is make an informed balanced decision and if that decision in your case is to not get vaccinated, then I think both views are perfectly reasonable and understandable. That was very well said and I appreciate very much your perspective! I hope we can all leave it at that and go out on a good note instead of stirring up a hornet's nets again. 🙏🏼 |
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Post by teejay on Jan 4, 2022 12:58:43 GMT -6
I think all one can do is make an informed balanced decision and if that decision in your case is to not get vaccinated, then I think both views are perfectly reasonable and understandable. That was very well said and I appreciate very much this perspective! I hope we can all leave it at that and go out on a good note instead of stirring up a hornet's nets again. 🙏🏼 Apropos analogy. We had a good-size Bald-Faced Hornet's nest in a tree in our front yard this fall. About 12' off the ground. Normally I'd take a shot at removing something like that myself. But after some research and finding out how agressive they are, how they swarm, how far they will follow you, the fact that they repeatedly sting, and based on the size of the nest there were likely a thousand workers in there, I got the wallet out and paid an exterminator. After standing inside and watching him repeatedly approach, spray and run 20 yards, then spray out the window of his truck and quickly drive down the street, I knew I made the right decision. There are some things better left alone. ;-) |
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Post by ragan on Jan 4, 2022 13:04:39 GMT -6
That was very well said and I appreciate very much this perspective! I hope we can all leave it at that and go out on a good note instead of stirring up a hornet's nets again. 🙏🏼 Apropos analogy. We had a good-size Bald-Faced Hornet's nest in a tree in our front yard this fall. About 12' off the ground. Normally I'd take a shot at removing something like that myself. But after some research and finding out how agressive they are, how they swarm, how far they will follow you, the fact that they repeatedly sting, and based on the size of the nest there were likely a thousand workers in there, I got the wallet out and paid an exterminator. After standing inside and watching him repeatedly approach, spray and run 20 yards, then spray out the window of his truck and quickly drive down the street, I knew I made the right decision. There are some things better left alone. ;-) When I was a young dude, I worked on wildfire crews in the summers. Bald-faced hornets are all over in the mountainous, woody pacific northwest here. Man, lemme tell you, you made the right call! Those SOBs are MEAN. |
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Post by drbill on Jan 4, 2022 14:21:31 GMT -6
Haha!! I tried to deal with bees in our house the came in a crack in the mortar between fireplace brick and stucco wall once.... That is a fun memory... LOL. I came out alive, but was chased several times. Did it after dusk, and they were still pretty pissed. I ended up winning though. LOL
Since our last episode here, I contracted a pretty serious case of Covid/Delta strain (mid to late November). Happy to share what got me through it if anyone cares. If you don't want to stir the hornets, you can always PM. My thoughts on the pandemic have really come together and have firmed up in my mind after actually having lived thru it with a significant co-morbidity and with all the latest info that is emerging out there.
Wishing all a GREAT 2022, and a better year than 2021!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS - Bald Faced Hornets sound nasty.....
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Post by bricejchandler on Jan 5, 2022 6:16:12 GMT -6
I can't imagine anyone actually getting a bad case of Covid and not at least thinking very seriously about getting the vaccine.
I'm in my mid 30s, I exercise 2 hours every day, don't smoke, eat healthy and I got Covid before any of the vaccines and it kicked my ass like nothing before in my life, it was rough, I don't wish it on my worst enemy.
I know personally some high level athletes who got Covid before vaccines were available and they've suffered what seems to be permanent lung damage.
It can really hit you hard even if you lead healthy life style and your immune system is strong.
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Post by seawell on Jan 5, 2022 9:42:32 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Jan 5, 2022 15:06:57 GMT -6
🤣 Well fully Vaxed plus I’m I suppress booster just tested positive. Feels like a bad cold |
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Post by seawell on Jan 5, 2022 15:12:15 GMT -6
🤣 Well fully Vaxed plus I’m I suppress booster just tested positive. Feels like a bad cold Sorry to hear that! Feel better soon 🙏🏼 |
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Post by bgrotto on Jan 5, 2022 15:26:10 GMT -6
🤣 Well fully Vaxed plus I’m I suppress booster just tested positive. Feels like a bad cold Yep, everyone is getting the damn thing now. I start a part-time college teaching job in a couple weeks, and between being on campus a few hours a week, and my wife being at the school she works at, we're all but guaranteed to get it (damn youngsters running around acting all willy nilly). Luckily, everyone I know who's gotten and is vaxxed hasn't had more than what amounted to a nasty flu at worst. A couple unvaxxed people I know sadly ended up in the hospital, but luckily all made full recoveries (though one was in a coma for some time, right in the middle of a massive studio build 😵...of all the delays we know too well when it comes to construction of a studio, I'd bet 'fell into a coma' is the last thing anyone would expect to cause them). Anywho, hope you feel better quick! |
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Post by drbill on Jan 5, 2022 17:46:23 GMT -6
Get well soon Eric!!
If you can - get some EARLY treatment all - and 99+ % of of you will be OK after a few days. I have a buddy whose Dr has treated thousands of patients with early treatment (i.e., not waiting for it to get bad), and none have had to be hospitalized. Maybe he's just lucky, but I don't think so. My personal Dr is the typical - "go home and take Tylenol, and go to emergency if your lips turn blue - if you get admitted to the hospital, they will deal with it." F that. I have been prepping with Vitamin D (got my D blood levels up from the mid 20's - studio life - to 58ng/ml !!!), Zinc, etc. for well over a year now, and even though Delta slammed me pretty hard, my preparation, plus forcing my Dr into early treatments knocked it right out. A week later, and I was pretty much over it and back to normal. Dr. was clueless.....
And yes, Vax or no Vax - with the recent reports coming in, we're all going to get this sooner or later. Good luck and stay healthy!!
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Post by svart on Jan 11, 2022 14:33:31 GMT -6
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Post by M57 on Jan 11, 2022 15:48:04 GMT -6
All I had to do was google zerohedge.
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Post by svart on Jan 11, 2022 15:58:46 GMT -6
All I had to do was google zerohedge. I'm guessing you think that the Twitter and Project Veritas content they shared is somehow invalidated by them sharing it? |
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