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Post by seawell on Sept 17, 2021 9:52:44 GMT -6
Quint, what do say we just scrap all the current issues on the table and start with a clean slate? I'd be totally cool with that.
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Post by dmo on Sept 17, 2021 10:15:00 GMT -6
While there have been some posts (rare) here that I got a negative emotional reaction to - I agree that the majority seem to be trying to maintain good faith and manners when discussing differing opinions. It's been an emotionally draining 18 months - the degree of burnout in the medical community is huge. Personally I am so ready to once again be fully retired - I don't look forward to going into work anymore and I come home with a very negative attitude that impacts the home life as well (hardly touched guitar or gear in a few months) But I know I'd feel guilty quitting now while the pandemic continues to push the system to the limits - so I'm trying to focus on positive energy activities - one being this forum (except for occasionally this thread).
I don't agree or fully understand the degree of resistance to vaccination for this disease as I think the data is pretty clear on benefit - but I'm not going to attack those who remain skeptical or concerned as there are some valid points as to concerns. We are all learning as we go with this disease - and if we want to "change" others opinions then we need to be able to have discussions without inflammatory rhetoric or "us vs them" stances. The vaccine is not risk free - none are - so there will be adverse events. But ultimately, from the data I know of, the benefit to myself and my children (all over 12 and vaccinated) I believe outweighs the risk.
For those with children too young to be vaccinated - so far younger appear to remain at pretty low risk for more serious illness, part of the whole risk/benefit discussion of even vaccinating those <12. Among our daycare age kids presenting for evaluation RSV, adenovirus, rhinovirus, etc are the primary culprits - but there have been a few who were covid positive but none requiring admission (that I've seen). But know it's a hard decision for everyone trying to navigate doing the best for their families - stay safe out there.
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Post by Tbone81 on Sept 17, 2021 10:19:17 GMT -6
While there have been some posts (rare) here that I got a negative emotional reaction to - I agree that the majority seem to be trying to maintain good faith and manners when discussing differing opinions. It's been an emotionally draining 18 months - the degree of burnout in the medical community is huge. Personally I am so ready to once again be fully retired - I don't look forward to going into work anymore and I come home with a very negative attitude that impacts the home life as well (hardly touched guitar or gear in a few months) But I know I'd feel guilty quitting now while the pandemic continues to push the system to the limits - so I'm trying to focus on positive energy activities - one being this forum (except for occasionally this thread).
I don't agree or fully understand the degree of resistance to vaccination for this disease as I think the data is pretty clear on benefit - but I'm not going to attack those who remain skeptical or concerned as there are some valid points as to concerns. We are all learning as we go with this disease - and if we want to "change" others opinions then we need to be able to have discussions without inflammatory rhetoric or "us vs them" stances. The vaccine is not risk free - none are - so there will be adverse events. But ultimately, from the data I know of, the benefit to myself and my children (all over 12 and vaccinated) I believe outweighs the risk.
For those with children too young to be vaccinated - so far younger appear to remain at pretty low risk for more serious illness, part of the whole risk/benefit discussion of even vaccinating those <12. Among our daycare age kids presenting for evaluation RSV, adenovirus, rhinovirus, etc are the primary culprits - but there have been a few who were covid positive but none requiring admission (that I've seen). But know it's a hard decision for everyone trying to navigate doing the best for their families - stay safe out there.
Hey man, thank you for what you do and for all your hard work during the pandemic. And thank you for this post. |
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Post by bgrotto on Sept 17, 2021 10:33:22 GMT -6
To be honest, I think it actually does a rather excellent job of adding a bunch of human faces and stories to the death toll covid is creating. If you can get past the usual to-be-expected internet snark (tbf, a tall order, i'll admit), there's actually something rather poignant about it imo. It's too easy for people to assume it's the anonymous "others" that die, or to not even consider the individual stories of loss when pondering the 670,000 (and counting) dead. For me, that subreddit is actually a rather humanizing and gut-wrenching read, even if, yes, i think a lot of the folks featured there were assholes. I just think they could do better. If they want to do social media recon, they could gather a bunch of pics in a way that honors them without mocking. I don't think a single person will come across that and be motivated to change their mind, in fact they'll probably double down the other way out of anger. Not the smart thing to do, but it's human nature. So, case in point: Herman Cain. Even if you disagree with him politically, he actually lived a pretty impressive life. Most people would be surprised to find out that he had a master's degree in computer science. He made a poor choice about one particular issue that ended up costing him his life unfortunately, but he was no fool and I hate to see him or anyone else treated that way when they are no longer around to defend themselves. I'm concerned, if not down right scared of where we're going as a nation(the division). In other words, if we allow the unvaccinated to be demonized and dehumanized now then it's just going to be another group in another situation next and it just goes on and on. Even if they were very anti-mask, anti-everything....even if they believe 5G caused the whole thing, they are still a human being that loved and had people that loved them. Very few people in this world are what I would consider "evil." Most people, I find, are the product of different levels of pain and trauma, doing the best they can. People can and do change and I just think positive education and motivation are the much better tools than shame and hate. I hear ya, and I respect what you're saying (even though I disagree with a good chunk -- but not all!! -- of it). But i *would* point out that there is actually a whole subsection of that reddit thread of vaccine-hesitant people who post to say they saw the 'award' page and had a change of heart and got vaccinated. To me, it's sorta like those gnarly videos they show you in driver's ed, or the pictures of fucked up lungs they put on cigarette packaging. There's a 'scared-straight' element to it that actually seems to be doing at least *some* people a bit of good. I'm gonna leave the Hermain Cain thing alone because while I don't doubt his academic credentials and his ambitiousness, I think pretty poorly of him and don't really feel this is the appropriate place to take a dump on him. The question of 'evil' as a concept is interesting, and would make a cool, non-political off-topic thread. I personally don't buy that such a concept even exists in any meaningful way, which certainly informs much of my outlook on this matter (and most other matters too!). But I digress! |
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Post by ehrenebbage on Sept 17, 2021 10:43:21 GMT -6
And to add to that, Seawell, I do have a problem with the "I'll start fires but not stick around to see what else burns down around it" posturing that you tend to do. This is classic, Tucker Carlson, "I'm just asking questions" bluster that doesn't actually do anything other than provide confirmation bias and stoke fear. You can't continue to post videos and opinions that you find "interesting" and then claim that you you're an impartial observer. At some point you have to put up or shut up and back these things up with actual facts. He’s not some random internet troll. Any honest reading of his comments on this 50+ page thread should earn him the benefit of the doubt. I gotta agree with this. Seems like he's having the conversation in good faith. |
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Post by ehrenebbage on Sept 17, 2021 10:53:29 GMT -6
While there have been some posts (rare) here that I got a negative emotional reaction to - I agree that the majority seem to be trying to maintain good faith and manners when discussing differing opinions. It's been an emotionally draining 18 months - the degree of burnout in the medical community is huge. Personally I am so ready to once again be fully retired - I don't look forward to going into work anymore and I come home with a very negative attitude that impacts the home life as well (hardly touched guitar or gear in a few months) But I know I'd feel guilty quitting now while the pandemic continues to push the system to the limits - so I'm trying to focus on positive energy activities - one being this forum (except for occasionally this thread).
I don't agree or fully understand the degree of resistance to vaccination for this disease as I think the data is pretty clear on benefit - but I'm not going to attack those who remain skeptical or concerned as there are some valid points as to concerns. We are all learning as we go with this disease - and if we want to "change" others opinions then we need to be able to have discussions without inflammatory rhetoric or "us vs them" stances. The vaccine is not risk free - none are - so there will be adverse events. But ultimately, from the data I know of, the benefit to myself and my children (all over 12 and vaccinated) I believe outweighs the risk.
For those with children too young to be vaccinated - so far younger appear to remain at pretty low risk for more serious illness, part of the whole risk/benefit discussion of even vaccinating those <12. Among our daycare age kids presenting for evaluation RSV, adenovirus, rhinovirus, etc are the primary culprits - but there have been a few who were covid positive but none requiring admission (that I've seen). But know it's a hard decision for everyone trying to navigate doing the best for their families - stay safe out there.
I want to say thanks as well. Really appreciate your input, and it sounds like you're doing your best to help your community through this. One of my biggest issues with the folks who are against preventative measures is that they are essentially handing off their responsibility to people like you. I understand the 'I'm responsible for myself' thing, but when it comes to infectious disease there is no other way to do it than to take preventative measures. |
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Post by gwlee7 on Sept 18, 2021 19:46:08 GMT -6
I can’t remember if I have posted in this thread or not. I have read it all. I teach public school in the DFW area. We have been in person teaching since Labor Day of last year. We started this school year in my district on August 10. It already feels like it should be April or May. The daily stress is ridiculous. While I am in a non-classroom position at the moment, everyday when I get to work I have no idea what I am actually going to be doing. I have to sub a lot because delta is running wild in our part of Texas. We have had lots of student quarantines and lots of staff having to stay home either due to testing positive or close exposure. It’s like the movie Groundhog Day.
I specifically work with special needs kids who need to physically at school in order for me to best serve them. Since the pandemic started, I have tested negative 8 times. Every time I even cough, or sneeze, or whatever, I feel compelled to get tested. I have been vaccinated so I am not worried in the sense of getting really, really sick but still, this uncertainty day to day is maddening.
Rant over.
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Post by ragan on Sept 18, 2021 20:00:22 GMT -6
Just to follow up from the other day, my little girl does not have covid. She’s on the mend and no one else in the house has gotten it very strongly. Thanks for the well wishes.
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Post by seawell on Sept 18, 2021 20:24:01 GMT -6
Just to follow up from the other day, my little girl does not have covid. She’s on the mend and no one else in the house has gotten it very strongly. Thanks for the well wishes. GREAT NEWS! Thanks for the update. |
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Post by ehrenebbage on Sept 19, 2021 6:03:16 GMT -6
I can’t remember if I have posted in this thread or not. I have read it all. I teach public school in the DFW area. We have been in person teaching since Labor Day of last year. We started this school year in my district on August 10. It already feels like it should be April or May. The daily stress is ridiculous. While I am in a non-classroom position at the moment, everyday when I get to work I have no idea what I am actually going to be doing. I have to sub a lot because delta is running wild in our part of Texas. We have had lots of student quarantines and lots of staff having to stay home either due to testing positive or close exposure. It’s like the movie Groundhog Day. I specifically work with special needs kids who need to physically at school in order for me to best serve them. Since the pandemic started, I have tested negative 8 times. Every time I even cough, or sneeze, or whatever, I feel compelled to get tested. I have been vaccinated so I am not worried in the sense of getting really, really sick but still, this uncertainty day to day is maddening. Rant over. Sorry man. That's just horrible. |
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Post by OtisGreying on Sept 21, 2021 4:28:10 GMT -6
The problem I continuously see is people suspicious of the vaccine leaning on the fact that government and business are working together behind the curtains to make money. *a fact that has been true about about every country regarding just about anything as far back as any history book goes I can think of.
It’s serves as zero argument against the vaccine effectiveness. But people consistently go “so you agree businesses are getting rich off the vaccines?” “But you know government is pushing the vaccine who’s ceo funds some congressman and there all working together right?” Etc.
Why does that matter when every credible study we have to offer, points out getting covid with the vaccine is safer than without? (Exceptions: people prone to anaphylaxis, and perhaps high risk myocarditis young boys)
It’s really hard to move the conversation forward into a conclusion when this defense against the cold hard stats is, well they’re making money off it! So it must be deadly/something wrong!
It’s not constructive, and pointing it out again and again is nothing more than putting a baseless hunch forward against our best studies. There never will be a situation like this where government and big business aren’t finding ways to make a ton of money..... it’s naive to think something distributed on this scale could somehow not make some company a bunch of money...
-sorry if I’m coming off rude, but it’s hard to see hunches continue to stay in the ring with our best statistics
Btw I got the second shot and had a mild headache for the day but that was it. A friend of mine same age not vaccinated got covid and said she was bedridden for four days (were in our twenties). Anecdotal evidence is FAR from the end all be all, but I figured I’d share some.
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Post by M57 on Sept 21, 2021 9:27:29 GMT -6
You want a conspiracy? Bottled water ..No, wait. Toilet Paper! It doesn't even save lives, yet everybody thinks it's a necessity ..and there are people making a ton of money selling the stuff. The government blatantly buys it in bulk and puts it in every public building! All the while politicians stand by and do nothing to stop the lie. The whole business just smells of conspiracy.
Join the Anti-TP'ers. Make a statement and tell the government how you feel ..by using your middle finger.
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Post by bgrotto on Sept 21, 2021 10:25:20 GMT -6
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Post by bgrotto on Sept 29, 2021 15:41:11 GMT -6
"America’s Frontline Doctors, a right-wing group founded last year to promote pro-Trump doctors during the coronavirus pandemic, is working in tandem with a small network of health care companies to sow distrust in the Covid-19 vaccine, dupe tens of thousands of people into seeking ineffective treatments for the disease, and then sell consultations and millions of dollars’ worth of those medications. The data indicate patients spent at least $15 million — and potentially much more — on consultations and medications combined." theintercept.com/2021/09/28/covid-telehealth-hydroxychloroquine-ivermectin-hacked/WOOF. |
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Post by seawell on Sept 29, 2021 17:08:09 GMT -6
man...I thought this thread had finally died 🤣  |
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Post by ericn on Sept 30, 2021 17:40:37 GMT -6
man...I thought this thread had finally died 🤣 So the horse paste didn’t even work on the horse😁 |
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Post by seawell on Sept 30, 2021 19:23:34 GMT -6
man...I thought this thread had finally died 🤣 So the horse paste didn’t even work on the horse😁  |
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Post by bgrotto on Sept 30, 2021 20:40:17 GMT -6
🤣🤣🤣
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Post by LesC on Sept 30, 2021 21:59:49 GMT -6
Funnily enough, I've been prescribed Ivermectin cream (brand name Rosiver) to treat my rosacea. I haven't had a rosacea problem for years, but I guess my kidney failure earlier this year triggered a terrible outbreak on my face, quite embarrassing even with a mask. So I'm fully vaccinated, masked in public, and using ivermectin, a perfect trifecta of awesomeness.
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Post by ragan on Sept 30, 2021 23:00:35 GMT -6
Funnily enough, I've been prescribed Ivermectin cream (brand name Rosiver) to treat my rosacea. I haven't had a rosacea problem for years, but I guess my kidney failure earlier this year triggered a terrible outbreak on my face, quite embarrassing even with a mask. So I'm fully vaccinated, masked in public, and using ivermectin, a perfect trifecta of awesomeness. Sorry to hear that, about the rosacea and the kidneys. Hang in there, Les. Glad to see it hasn't put a damper on your sense of humor.  |
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Post by LesC on Sept 30, 2021 23:17:02 GMT -6
Funnily enough, I've been prescribed Ivermectin cream (brand name Rosiver) to treat my rosacea. I haven't had a rosacea problem for years, but I guess my kidney failure earlier this year triggered a terrible outbreak on my face, quite embarrassing even with a mask. So I'm fully vaccinated, masked in public, and using ivermectin, a perfect trifecta of awesomeness. Sorry to hear that, about the rosacea and the kidneys. Hang in there, Les. Glad to see it hasn't put a damper on your sense of humor. Thank you, I'm almost in perfect health now. The kidneys have recovered 90% after my prostrate surgery, and the rosacea is completely under control after a course of antibiotics and now the Ivermectin cream.
With 2 years of keto and intermittent fasting, I've lost about 55 pounds, cured my diabetes, no more cholesterol and blood pressure problems, cured my sleep apnea, no more acid reflux every night. Too bad I didn't know about this 10 years ago, I would have avoided the prostate and kidney problems. I've never been healthier in my whole life at almost 69 years old, this old dog learned some new tricks.
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Post by rowmat on Oct 1, 2021 3:30:38 GMT -6
Sorry to hear that, about the rosacea and the kidneys. Hang in there, Les. Glad to see it hasn't put a damper on your sense of humor. Thank you, I'm almost in perfect health now. The kidneys have recovered 90% after my prostrate surgery, and the rosacea is completely under control after a course of antibiotics and now the Ivermectin cream.
With 2 years of keto and intermittent fasting, I've lost about 55 pounds, cured my diabetes, no more cholesterol and blood pressure problems, cured my sleep apnea, no more acid reflux every night. Too bad I didn't know about this 10 years ago, I would have avoided the prostate and kidney problems. I've never been healthier in my whole life at almost 69 years old, this old dog learned some new tricks.
Your journey is similar to mine. I started Keto in March 2020 and it cured my reflux, I was no longer pre diabetic and lost 20kgs (44lbs) in 12 months. After initially spending the prior six months on the so called Heart Healthy low fat food pyramid diet under the direction of my doctor I had lost no weight and also became pre diabetic. During this period I also walked about 25kms per week and rode my bicycle around 100kms per week and while that helped my fitness it made zero difference to my weight. My doctor then accused me of not following the diet (I was to the letter) and also thought I was exaggerating the amount of exercise I was doing (I wasn’t). So I decided it was time to educate myself and I learnt about the following three crucial subjects. 1. Metabolic Syndrome 2. Insulin resistance 3. Ancel Keys Ancel Key’s remains should by dug up, boiled in a vat of high fructose corn syrup and then flushed down the toilet! |
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Post by Ward on Oct 1, 2021 12:01:41 GMT -6
Is Rand Paul enflaming things here, or is he bringing some sense to this?
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Post by Ward on Oct 1, 2021 12:05:47 GMT -6
In other news, I am optimistic about Merck's announcement about an oral treatment, even if they did make the breakthrough in conjunction with Opioid epidemic founders, Pfizer.
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Post by rowmat on Oct 2, 2021 16:30:15 GMT -6
As of tomorrow Melbourne will exceed the global record for the most days of any city under lockdown since the start of the pandemic - 245 days and counting.
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