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Post by seawell on Sept 12, 2021 4:37:13 GMT -6
I guess if I listened to those people I would be more upset but I have no idea what Marjorie Taylor Greene is saying any more than I know what AOC is saying. It's the Tucker Carlson/Rachel Maddow thing again, two sides of the same coin, neither of which I'm interested in. I continue to criticize the messaging of those that are actually in charge of something, the President(45 & 46), CDC directior, WHO director, surgeon general...Fauci! Those are the people I need to send a clear message. I couldn't care less about what the fringes are saying. They are fringe for a reason. If it feels like my criticisms are skewed towards the left at the moment the only thing I can say is that is who is in power. I hadn't found this wonderful thread yet when 45 was in office or I could have gotten some shots in  Well, I guess If you’re not aware of politics below the Presidential level it makes sense that you’re not sure why I might factor in the GOP messaging. They’re not exactly fringe...they’re congresspeople and governors with massive platforms. Fox is often the highest rated network and their influence is substantial. Conservatives absolutely dominate radio, and conservatives are the most widely shared political voices on social media. You may have legitimate gripes with the left, but the leadership of the left is totally united in the push to get people vaccinated. The right is finally coming around but there are still significant holdouts and they’re doing us a huge disservice. It’s not that I’m unaware, I’m just not a fan of the blame game. The left is doing plenty to hurt their own cause. Newsom at the restaurant, Pelosi at the hair salon, Obama’s birthday party…that hypocrisy has done more damage to their efforts than any Marjorie Taylor Green tweet. Even with the vaccine mandate, why are USPS & congress + their staffs exempt? People don’t have to be told what to believe about those things by conservative media, they see it with their own eyes. Believe me, the left has been handing out way more red pills(albeit inadvertently) than anyone on the right has over the past year & a half. |
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Post by ehrenebbage on Sept 12, 2021 7:15:21 GMT -6
Well, I guess If you’re not aware of politics below the Presidential level it makes sense that you’re not sure why I might factor in the GOP messaging. They’re not exactly fringe...they’re congresspeople and governors with massive platforms. Fox is often the highest rated network and their influence is substantial. Conservatives absolutely dominate radio, and conservatives are the most widely shared political voices on social media. You may have legitimate gripes with the left, but the leadership of the left is totally united in the push to get people vaccinated. The right is finally coming around but there are still significant holdouts and they’re doing us a huge disservice. It’s not that I’m unaware, I’m just not a fan of the blame game. The left is doing plenty to hurt their own cause. Newsom at the restaurant, Pelosi at the hair salon, Obama’s birthday party…that hypocrisy has done more damage to their efforts than any Marjorie Taylor Green tweet. Even with the vaccine mandate, why are USPS & congress + their staffs exempt? People don’t have to be told what to believe about those things by conservative media, they see it with their own eyes. Believe me, the left has been handing out way more red pills(albeit inadvertently) than anyone on the right has over the past year & a half. They see it with their own eyes through the lense of conservative media. The USPS is required to vaccinate. Apparently the President’s authority to mandate these things doesn’t extend beyond the executive branch. It’s not a conspiracy nor is it hypocrisy if he is limited in his authority. The faux outrage over this doesn’t hold any water...congresspeople were among the first to be vaccinated. I agree that it was a bad look for Newsom. I’m struggling to get my head around the idea that the opinions and advice of the most visible people on the right are somehow inconsequential. The only voices of influence are those on the Left? That just doesn’t track. Anyway...my point, again, is that my frustration lis largely with the people with platforms who are spreading disinformation for their own gain. I don’t distinguish between right and left in that regard. Anyone who is doing it is working against the public interest, regardless of their political party. It just happens to be that it’s most prevalent on the right. |
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Post by seawell on Sept 12, 2021 12:43:43 GMT -6
It’s not that I’m unaware, I’m just not a fan of the blame game. The left is doing plenty to hurt their own cause. Newsom at the restaurant, Pelosi at the hair salon, Obama’s birthday party…that hypocrisy has done more damage to their efforts than any Marjorie Taylor Green tweet. Even with the vaccine mandate, why are USPS & congress + their staffs exempt? People don’t have to be told what to believe about those things by conservative media, they see it with their own eyes. Believe me, the left has been handing out way more red pills(albeit inadvertently) than anyone on the right has over the past year & a half. They see it with their own eyes through the lense of conservative media. The USPS is required to vaccinate. Apparently the President’s authority to mandate these things doesn’t extend beyond the executive branch. It’s not a conspiracy nor is it hypocrisy if he is limited in his authority. The faux outrage over this doesn’t hold any water...congresspeople were among the first to be vaccinated. I agree that it was a bad look for Newsom. I’m struggling to get my head around the idea that the opinions and advice of the most visible people on the right are somehow inconsequential. The only voices of influence are those on the Left? That just doesn’t track. Anyway...my point, again, is that my frustration lis largely with the people with platforms who are spreading disinformation for their own gain. I don’t distinguish between right and left in that regard. Anyone who is doing it is working against the public interest, regardless of their political party. It just happens to be that it’s most prevalent on the right. Some things just are what they are, you don’t have to see them through any particular lense. The people I mentioned did things they were asking other people not to do. If someone on the right did something similar please let me know. My point is hypocrisy and confusing messaging has hurt the cause the most. If someone on the right is adding to that, then shame on them. It’s just not what is coming up in the discussions I’m having with people that are hesitant. |
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Post by ehrenebbage on Sept 13, 2021 6:57:53 GMT -6
They see it with their own eyes through the lense of conservative media. The USPS is required to vaccinate. Apparently the President’s authority to mandate these things doesn’t extend beyond the executive branch. It’s not a conspiracy nor is it hypocrisy if he is limited in his authority. The faux outrage over this doesn’t hold any water...congresspeople were among the first to be vaccinated. I agree that it was a bad look for Newsom. I’m struggling to get my head around the idea that the opinions and advice of the most visible people on the right are somehow inconsequential. The only voices of influence are those on the Left? That just doesn’t track. Anyway...my point, again, is that my frustration lis largely with the people with platforms who are spreading disinformation for their own gain. I don’t distinguish between right and left in that regard. Anyone who is doing it is working against the public interest, regardless of their political party. It just happens to be that it’s most prevalent on the right. Some things just are what they are, you don’t have to see them through any particular lense. The people I mentioned did things they were asking other people not to do. If someone on the right did something similar please let me know. My point is hypocrisy and confusing messaging has hurt the cause the most. If someone on the right is adding to that, then shame on them. It’s just not what is coming up in the discussions I’m having with people that are hesitant. I guess this speaks to the way we all process information differently. Doctors tell us not to smoke and drink excessively. Lots of them do, and if I saw one with a cigarette I wouldn’t think doctors have been lying about the dangers. Fox personalities rail on and on about vaccine passports being anti liberty and un-American, yet Fox has a vaccine passport system in place for their employees. Honestly, I don’t think we’re very far apart in our view of which general direction to go, but maybe we have different ideas about how we got here and which path to take to get through. I see why you are frustrated with aspects of the leadership, and I see why you feel like your particular situation isn’t being recognized and accounted for in the messaging. I feel the same in some ways. My view is that this will be an imperfect process and one which requires us to make some personal sacrifices. The best thing for all of us is to get through it as quickly as possible with the fewest lives lost. If I can help by wearing a mask or getting another shot, I’m happy to do it. It’s hardly a sacrifice at all compared to what some folks are doing to help our communities through this crisis. |
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Post by ehrenebbage on Sept 13, 2021 9:33:06 GMT -6
Can you offer a practical solution to the natural immunity issue? Has anybody proposed an actionable, reliable plan for this? If there were an actual proposal being made I'd probably support it. I'm generally in favor of the fewest interventions possible. No, there's no page where it says you can't travel to a western country without proof of MMR and TB vax. Why? Because western countries have almost completely eliminated the risk via logical policies of mandated vaccination. Why would proof be required when there's almost no disease and everyone has already been required to be vaccinated? If we get to a similar place with covid, where there is little risk of deadly illness and the majority of the population has been required to vaccinate, I'd expect that there will be no need to show proof on an airplane. So, where is proof of vaccination required? Nearly every public school and university, the military, and many workplaces. Every patient has access to their medical records. A submitted diagnosis of prior Covid infection could easily be submitted as an exemption. There are also antibody tests, which are admittedly problematic, but that’s also a partial solution. It could be said that Covid itself presents “little risk of deadly illness”. It depends how you define “little risk”. That’s not exactly my personal stance but it’s a valid argument to consider. Serious question here that you might know the answer to. Was there ever a time that TB or Polio or MMR vaccines were required to travel across borders in western countries? Because those used to be pandemics as well. I honestly don’t know the answer but am interested in the answer. As for plane travel, no disrespect intended, but I think it’s a little naive to think that there isn’t a high probability of them requiring vax status to fly. If natural immunity carries across variants and it’s a simple matter of showing a record of a positive test, great! I’m not sure about travel restrictions through the years but there seems to be a long track record of mandates of all sorts in times of crisis. Our society ultimately decided that we should manage those diseases via vaccine mandates. I understand the need for debate around the issue, but politicians and media who say mandates are unprecedented are either uninformed or lying. Again, every state in the union has vaccination requirements for children. Framing the conversation in any other way just seems disingenuous. |
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Post by drbill on Sept 13, 2021 11:00:01 GMT -6
I'm probably forgetting something, but I have no recollection of any vaccine mandate in my lifetime threatening a quarter to a third of the US populations job status.
Right, wrong, good, bad....doesn't really matter at this stage. This won't end well.
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Post by seawell on Sept 13, 2021 12:32:48 GMT -6
Here is an article discussing how this mandate stacks up against past mandates + some potential legal challenges it may face: news.yahoo.com/vaccine-law-expert-explains-3-033702155.htmlOne thing that stands out to me is that there have always been exemptions for kids in school(religious or medical). The article points out that once a child is granted an exemption, they aren’t treated any differently than the vaccinated children are. That would seem to pose a challenge for the current mandate where someone with an exemption would be submitted to weekly testing. The article does state that this current mandate is the most far reaching we’ve ever had for what it’s worth. |
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Post by ehrenebbage on Sept 13, 2021 12:40:17 GMT -6
I'm probably forgetting something, but I have no recollection of any vaccine mandate in my lifetime threatening a quarter to a third of the US populations job status. Right, wrong, good, bad....doesn't really matter at this stage. This won't end well. Why would you? The vast majority of citizens have accepted vaccine mandates for school children for decades. Society has already figured out a solution for this type of problem a number of times and as a result the developed world has had the freedom to live without this sort of complication for many years. For some reason people are compelled to do it the hard way this time around. |
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Post by seawell on Sept 13, 2021 12:51:50 GMT -6
A few key differences between school vaccine mandates and the federal vaccine mandate: - Kids aren’t required to be tested weekly.
- Kids with a previous infection(chickenpox for example) aren’t required to get that vaccine.
- The vaccines mandated for kids have a much longer history to look at regarding any potential long term side effects.
- Kids don’t lose their jobs 🤣
I get it, a pandemic is different but to say what we’re experiencing mandate wise now is nothing new isn’t quite accurate. |
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Post by ehrenebbage on Sept 13, 2021 13:04:02 GMT -6
Here is an article discussing how this mandate stacks up against past mandates + some potential legal challenges it may face: news.yahoo.com/vaccine-law-expert-explains-3-033702155.htmlOne thing that stands out to me is that there have always been exemptions for kids in school(religious or medical). The article points out that once a child is granted an exemption, they aren’t treated any differently than the vaccinated children are. That would seem to pose a challenge for the current mandate where someone with an exemption would be submitted to weekly testing. The article does state that this current mandate is the most far reaching we’ve ever had for what it’s worth. Thanks for this link. It seems like this is an overview of the the legalities of a federally imposed mandate. States typically create their own vaccine mandates for schools. As I pointed out in other articles, there is definitely a precedent for schools refusing admission to unvaccinated children, employers firing unvaccinated workers, etc. |
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Post by ehrenebbage on Sept 13, 2021 13:40:55 GMT -6
A few key differences between school vaccine mandates and the federal vaccine mandate: Kids aren’t required to be tested weekly. Kids with a previous infection(chickenpox for example) aren’t required to get that vaccine. The vaccines mandated for kids have a much longer history to look at regarding any potential long term side effects Kids don’t lose their jobs 🤣 I get it, a pandemic is different but to say what we’re experiencing mandate wise now is nothing new isn’t quite accurate. Kids aren’t required to be tested for measles weekly because we’re not facing a global outbreak and the vast majority have been vaccinated. We are still gathering info re: Covid natural immunity. It’s not quite the same as chicken pox, and we’re not facing a global chicken pox pandemic. The vaccines mandated for kids have a long history now but they didn’t when they were first developed, of course. Imagine going through this in those days...The technology was nowhere near as good. Oversight and quality control weren’t as good. They still did it. As I pointed out in articles, there were instances where the government would raid homes and hold people down to administer shots. We’ve been through this. All of it. Previous generations have face this problem and thankfully made the decision to vaccinate the population upon entry to school. |
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Post by teejay on Sept 13, 2021 15:19:52 GMT -6
Here is an article discussing how this mandate stacks up against past mandates + some potential legal challenges it may face: news.yahoo.com/vaccine-law-expert-explains-3-033702155.htmlOne thing that stands out to me is that there have always been exemptions for kids in school(religious or medical). The article points out that once a child is granted an exemption, they aren’t treated any differently than the vaccinated children are. That would seem to pose a challenge for the current mandate where someone with an exemption would be submitted to weekly testing. The article does state that this current mandate is the most far reaching we’ve ever had for what it’s worth. Thanks for this link. It seems like this is an overview of the the legalities of a federally imposed mandate. States typically create their own vaccine mandates for schools. As I pointed out in other articles, there is definitely a precedent for schools refusing admission to unvaccinated children, employers firing unvaccinated workers, etc. All states require proof of vaccination for children to attend school, but all states have at least one type of exemption. Schools cannot refuse admission to unvaccinated children/students who qualify under that state's exemption(s). 44 states plus D.C. allow religious exemptions. 15 states allow both religious exemptions and personal exemptions. 1 state allows personal exemptions that do not mention religion. 5 states allow only medical exemptions (CA, NY, ME, MS, WV). www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/28/nearly-all-states-allow-religious-exemptions-for-vaccinations/My wife is the Preschool Director for her school. The state requires all students to submit proof of vaccination upon enrollment, or to supply a properly completed religious or medical exemption form. The school is bound by state law to accept unvaccinated students with qualifying exemptions and cannot refuse their admission nor challenge their exemption. Vaccination status is confidential, and unvaccinated students are treated no differently from the vaccinated. She has several students each year whose parents utilize exemptions as is their lawful right to do. |
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Post by matt@IAA on Sept 13, 2021 15:36:01 GMT -6
In Texas there’s an exemption but there’s an exemption for the exemption. If there’s a pandemic or outbreak unvaccinated kids can be excluded from school, daycare, or university. That seems relevant to me.
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Post by seawell on Sept 13, 2021 16:43:48 GMT -6
A few key differences between school vaccine mandates and the federal vaccine mandate: Kids aren’t required to be tested weekly. Kids with a previous infection(chickenpox for example) aren’t required to get that vaccine. The vaccines mandated for kids have a much longer history to look at regarding any potential long term side effects Kids don’t lose their jobs 🤣 I get it, a pandemic is different but to say what we’re experiencing mandate wise now is nothing new isn’t quite accurate. Kids aren’t required to be tested for measles weekly because we’re not facing a global outbreak and the vast majority have been vaccinated. We are still gathering info re: Covid natural immunity. It’s not quite the same as chicken pox, and we’re not facing a global chicken pox pandemic. The vaccines mandated for kids have a long history now but they didn’t when they were first developed, of course. Imagine going through this in those days...The technology was nowhere near as good. Oversight and quality control weren’t as good. They still did it. As I pointed out in articles, there were instances where the government would raid homes and hold people down to administer shots. We’ve been through this. All of it. Previous generations have face this problem and thankfully made the decision to vaccinate the population upon entry to school. It would seem we’re still gathering info about vaccinated immunity too wouldn’t it? What little data we do have(that includes delta) shows that natural immunity is better…much better actually. It’s pretty wild to me that the talking heads have convinced a decent number of people that natural immunity is somehow all of a sudden so misunderstood. As far as "As I pointed out in articles, there were instances where the government would raid homes and hold people down to administer shots." Are you bringing that up as a good thing? I mean some unbelievably horrible things have been done throughout history, does that mean we should repeat it or it makes what is happening now somehow ok? You keep saying we've been through this...but we have not...no matter how many times that talking point gets parroted around liberal media it isn't going to make it true. |
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Post by seawell on Sept 13, 2021 17:03:31 GMT -6
In Texas there’s an exemption but there’s an exemption for the exemption. If there’s a pandemic or outbreak unvaccinated kids can be excluded from school, daycare, or university. That seems relevant to me. Fair enough but having to do remote learning or home school isn't quite the same as losing your ability to earn a living is it? |
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Post by matt@IAA on Sept 13, 2021 17:48:59 GMT -6
Well. It’s a complicated question. The US SC has ruled reinforced several times that the state police power extends to mandating vaccines for people with fines or punishment for noncompliance. That’s for state government in particular, not federal.
We haven’t had a pandemic since 1918 like this. Even local outbreaks have been mild or quickly handled. But it’s quite clear in our laws that a state can say - get the shot or get a fine or whatever else the legislature or local health board decides.
The state isn’t obligated to provide distance learning or online classes if someone will not comply with or taking exception to the law requiring vaccinations, if that makes them a risk for other children.
As for earning a living, I don’t really see that it’s an accurate description. No one is preventing someone from earning a living. Private employers can require vaccines - this has also been upheld in the courts. Even the threatened OSHA rule doesn’t require you to get a shot - it will require the company to ensure a safe workplace per the general duty clause, essentially making covid a known hazard. An employer can test or offer work from home in lieu of a vaccine requirement. To be clear, I don’t agree with the USG making a rule like this. The failure is in a legislature being lazy and delegating overly broad powers to the executive branch. But if, for example, a local state made a law like this, I don’t see it as some egregious breach of the law, or history, or even particularly remarkable in a historical sense. The state exists to mediate between the overlap of individual rights. The risk of infecting others seems an appropriate place for the state to operate.
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Post by ehrenebbage on Sept 13, 2021 18:37:45 GMT -6
Kids aren’t required to be tested for measles weekly because we’re not facing a global outbreak and the vast majority have been vaccinated. We are still gathering info re: Covid natural immunity. It’s not quite the same as chicken pox, and we’re not facing a global chicken pox pandemic. The vaccines mandated for kids have a long history now but they didn’t when they were first developed, of course. Imagine going through this in those days...The technology was nowhere near as good. Oversight and quality control weren’t as good. They still did it. As I pointed out in articles, there were instances where the government would raid homes and hold people down to administer shots. We’ve been through this. All of it. Previous generations have face this problem and thankfully made the decision to vaccinate the population upon entry to school. It would seem we’re still gathering info about vaccinated immunity too wouldn’t it? What little data we do have(that includes delta) shows that natural immunity is better…much better actually. It’s pretty wild to me that the talking heads have convinced a decent number of people that natural immunity is somehow all of a sudden so misunderstood. As far as "As I pointed out in articles, there were instances where the government would raid homes and hold people down to administer shots." Are you bringing that up as a good thing? I mean some unbelievably horrible things have been done throughout history, does that mean we should repeat it or it makes what is happening now somehow ok? You keep saying we've been through this...but we have not...no matter how many times that talking point gets parroted around liberal media it isn't going to make it true. Maybe my point is still unclear... I would love it if we could all become naturally immune to covid. Maybe that will happen but we're early on in the process and it's a little unclear. Natural immunity isn't the same across all diseases, and individual immune systems aren't the same from one to the next. Compare this to chicken pox all you want, but they aren't the same thing. I don't think that vaccinating by physical force is a good idea. Not at all, ever. But the fact is that mandates have happened and have been enforced by raiding the homes of citizens. Thus, the idea that vaccine mandates are 'unprecedented' is not true. It's an accepted practice, set into laws and upheld by the court. I don't know how else to say it. We've faced epidemics many times. Society decided to protect against future outbreaks by mandating vaccines, and we have accepted that as standard practice for many decades. People have been fired for refusing vaccines. Kids have been excluded from school for refusing vaccines. Immunizations have been required for travel to places that don't have a handle on a disease (the US currently falls in that category). I'm not sure what is new about this situation in your view. |
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Post by ehrenebbage on Sept 13, 2021 18:43:40 GMT -6
Thanks for this link. It seems like this is an overview of the the legalities of a federally imposed mandate. States typically create their own vaccine mandates for schools. As I pointed out in other articles, there is definitely a precedent for schools refusing admission to unvaccinated children, employers firing unvaccinated workers, etc. All states require proof of vaccination for children to attend school, but all states have at least one type of exemption. Schools cannot refuse admission to unvaccinated children/students who qualify under that state's exemption(s). 44 states plus D.C. allow religious exemptions. 15 states allow both religious exemptions and personal exemptions. 1 state allows personal exemptions that do not mention religion. 5 states allow only medical exemptions (CA, NY, ME, MS, WV). www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/28/nearly-all-states-allow-religious-exemptions-for-vaccinations/My wife is the Preschool Director for her school. The state requires all students to submit proof of vaccination upon enrollment, or to supply a properly completed religious or medical exemption form. The school is bound by state law to accept unvaccinated students with qualifying exemptions and cannot refuse their admission nor challenge their exemption. Vaccination status is confidential, and unvaccinated students are treated no differently from the vaccinated. She has several students each year whose parents utilize exemptions as is their lawful right to do. According to the CDC, there was something like a 97% vaccination rate for kindergarteners in 2019. Here's a summary of state requirements. Note that most states specify that exempted students can be excluded from school during outbreaks. www.cdc.gov/phlp/docs/school-vaccinations.pdf |
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Post by seawell on Sept 13, 2021 19:02:37 GMT -6
Nevermind...totally normal, nothing to see here folks LOL  |
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Post by LesC on Sept 13, 2021 21:02:19 GMT -6
Nevermind...totally normal, nothing to see here folks LOL I find it humorous that "the sky is falling" because of mandates designed to save lives, instead of the actual disease taking lives. What a weird world we live in. |
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Post by ehrenebbage on Sept 13, 2021 21:07:03 GMT -6
Nevermind...totally normal, nothing to see here folks LOL Haha. |
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Post by seawell on Sept 13, 2021 21:27:52 GMT -6
Nevermind...totally normal, nothing to see here folks LOL I find it humorous that "the sky is falling" because of mandates designed to save lives, instead of the actual disease taking lives. What a weird world we live in. Serious question, is there a line that you'd consider too far? I've done everything I've been asked, stayed at home, masked up everywhere I've gone, etc.. Not recognizing my natural immunity as equal to vaccination is where I draw the line. If they are dragging me off to "camp unvaxxed" a month from now will you at least have my back then or will you just reassure me that it's all ok because we've seen that sort of thing before? 🤣 |
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Post by Tbone81 on Sept 13, 2021 21:37:45 GMT -6
I think the point is not whether there is legal precedent for vax mandates, or if it’s been done in the past or whether it’s novel or just business as usual, it is “is it good or bad for society”?
I venture to say that most people say the mandates are good, but that depends on what type of “good” you’re looking at. Is it good for public health? Yeah probably. Is it good public policy? Probably not, it’s a bureaucratic nightmare, and incredibly divisive. Is it a good or worthwhile encroachment on personal liberty? Maybe yes, maybe no, depends on your world view.
From my perspective, I’ve watched from the front row as decisions have been made, over and over, based on fear, public policy, and for political gain. I’ve seen almost 100% of the attention being centered on the harms of Covid, and almost no attention being paid to harm the lockdowns caused. No one paying attention to the suicide rate, to the rate of depression, child abuse, spousal abuse, drug addiction, over doses, the crime rate etc. not to mention peoples livelihoods destroyed. So I’m more than a little worried and skeptical of a government that grants itself another extended power that it will never give up. We have the patriot act, the national defense authorization act, domestic spying, corporate censorship and deplatforming of unorthodox views. It just gets worse and worse. And at every step of the way these things have been done “for our own good”. If that doesn’t concern people I don’t know what will.
I know full well the dangers and damage of this virus, but for me, we’ll I guess Covid doesn’t scare me more than tonados, earthquakes, brush fires, flash floods, hurricanes, aneurysms, heart attacks etc. it’s a force of nature, and while any one of these things may kill me, my world view is such that I’m far more concerned about how I live rather than how I die. To that end, every time the government grants itself more power I’m concerned.
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Post by LesC on Sept 13, 2021 21:45:32 GMT -6
I find it humorous that "the sky is falling" because of mandates designed to save lives, instead of the actual disease taking lives. What a weird world we live in. Serious question, is there a line that you'd consider too far? I've done everything I've been asked, stayed at home, masked up everywhere I've gone, etc.. Not recognizing my natural immunity as equal to vaccination is where I draw the line. If they are dragging me off to "camp unvaxxed" a month from now will you at least have my back then or will you just reassure me that it's all ok because we've seen that sort of thing before? 🤣 OK, a serious answer, all my opinion only.
I've gotten two shots and I keep masking in public to protect other people. Maybe I've had it and I have natural immunity. I don't really care. If I eventually need a third shot, I'll get that too. I think because of the people who have not had covid and refuse to be vaccinated, this will probably become similar to the flu, with a shot for the latest variants every year. Maybe even combined with an annual flu shot. I'm quite prepared for that. The two colleges I work at have mandated vaccination for students and professors, no exceptions. I'm quite happy about that, though I'm still teaching remotely and probably will be for quite a while.
I particularly feel sorry for children going to school without the ability to get vaccinated. And I'm particulary upset by the governors who will do whatever they can to ensure that there are no mask mandates, no protection. |
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Post by seawell on Sept 13, 2021 22:01:56 GMT -6
Serious question, is there a line that you'd consider too far? I've done everything I've been asked, stayed at home, masked up everywhere I've gone, etc.. Not recognizing my natural immunity as equal to vaccination is where I draw the line. If they are dragging me off to "camp unvaxxed" a month from now will you at least have my back then or will you just reassure me that it's all ok because we've seen that sort of thing before? 🤣 OK, a serious answer, all my opinion only.
I've gotten two shots and I keep masking in public to protect other people. Maybe I've had it and I have natural immunity. I don't really care. If I eventually need a third shot, I'll get that too. I think because of the people who have not had covid and refuse to be vaccinated, this will probably become similar to the flu, with a shot for the latest variants every year. Maybe even combined with an annual flu shot. I'm quite prepared for that. The two colleges I work at have mandated vaccination for students and professors, no exceptions. I'm quite happy about that, though I'm still teaching remotely and probably will be for quite a while.
I particularly feel sorry for children going to school without the ability to get vaccinated. And I'm particulary upset by the governors who will do whatever they can to ensure that there are no mask mandates, no protection. I appreciate your perspective and I can certainly respect and understand almost any point of view on this because it has been difficult on us all in one way or another. I'm just curious, if the students and professors are all vaccinated then are you still teaching remotely because you're concerned about the vaccine's effectiveness? You don't have to answer of course, I'm just genuinely curious how other people are thinking/feeling about everything. Thank God the children haven't been the main target of this virus. Just for the record, I'm not a fan of a governor not allowing individual cities/school boards to decide what is best for them. In the same way the states have certain abilities to protect them from the federal government, I think that should flow down to individual cities/towns. I just citicized the Florida Governor ehrenebbage ! High five 😂 |
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