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Post by seawell on Sept 3, 2021 7:01:59 GMT -6
Who is this guy and what are his credentials? Zubin Damania, MD |
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Post by Ward on Sept 7, 2021 7:11:32 GMT -6
I don't know how it normally works with a patient at a hospital and an outside doctor writing prescriptions for a patient under their care. It seems to me like there's a question of liability. I think that should extend to EVERY single adverse reaction case with CV vaccines as well. Any adverse reaction? Damages. No exceptions. Let's see if Hippocrates means anything then. |
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Post by matt@IAA on Sept 7, 2021 7:20:09 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Sept 7, 2021 7:59:48 GMT -6
Conversely: The vaccines aren't safe. And sometimes more dangerous than getting COVID (which I had) www.vaers.org has a ton of info My wife got vaccinated two weeks ago. She's been very sick, and all the kids and I have a nasty 'flu' now. Completely unrelated? Doubt it. |
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Post by matt@IAA on Sept 7, 2021 8:09:08 GMT -6
You're talking about an open dataset with no attribution or claims of causality (VAERS), versus a peer-reviewed study with a sample size of nearly a million people comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated on a controlled basis. In terms of scientific evidence, that's no comparison at all.
And of course they're unrelated. The vaccines don't make people around you sick. RSV and other respiratory viruses didn't vanish, and there's a lot of that going around right now.
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Post by bgrotto on Sept 7, 2021 9:10:07 GMT -6
Conversely: The vaccines aren't safe. And sometimes more dangerous than getting COVID (which I had) www.vaers.org has a ton of info My wife got vaccinated two weeks ago. She's been very sick, and all the kids and I have a nasty 'flu' now. Completely unrelated? Doubt it. If you and the kids are also sick, that's actually a really good indication that her illness is totally unrelated to the vaccine. |
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Post by bgrotto on Sept 7, 2021 9:13:45 GMT -6
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Post by M57 on Sept 7, 2021 9:47:36 GMT -6
I'm wondering if maybe this Ivermectin thing was a liberal plant all along...🤔🤣 If only.. It would be brilliant. Love the insidious irony of it. Of course, as long as it's safe otherwise. On a more serious note, and stating the obvious, a pro- or anti-vax stance should never have been a left/right thing in the first place. |
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Post by rowmat on Sept 7, 2021 13:28:26 GMT -6
My concern is due to the current vaccination regime are we vaccinating our way toward more vaccine resistant mutations?
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Post by Quint on Sept 7, 2021 13:51:46 GMT -6
My concern is due to the current vaccination regime are we vaccinating our way toward more vaccine resistant mutations? Or are the unvaccinated providing a large sandbox for the virus to continue to have a place to mutate in? |
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Post by rowmat on Sept 7, 2021 14:00:00 GMT -6
My concern is due to the current vaccination regime are we vaccinating our way toward more vaccine resistant mutations? Or are the unvaccinated providing a large sandbox for the virus to continue to have a place to mutate in? Did you watch the video? |
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Post by seawell on Sept 7, 2021 14:12:40 GMT -6
When talking of the "unvaccinated" we should not include those that had covid, recovered and have natural immunity.
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Post by rowmat on Sept 7, 2021 14:16:41 GMT -6
When talking of the "unvaccinated" we should not include those that had covid, recovered and have natural immunity. Which is why we need antibody testing as many more have had COVID than the test results show. |
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Post by matt@IAA on Sept 7, 2021 14:22:32 GMT -6
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Post by ehrenebbage on Sept 7, 2021 14:28:15 GMT -6
When talking of the "unvaccinated" we should not include those that had covid, recovered and have natural immunity. Hopefully, but it seems like there is some question about that. www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm |
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Post by seawell on Sept 7, 2021 14:33:22 GMT -6
When talking of the "unvaccinated" we should not include those that had covid, recovered and have natural immunity. Hopefully, but it seems like there is some question about that. www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htmI'm good, no boosters required!  |
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Post by Quint on Sept 7, 2021 14:34:12 GMT -6
When talking of the "unvaccinated" we should not include those that had covid, recovered and have natural immunity. I would agree with you in general terms but, when defining such a thing in practical, applicable terms, you have to ask the following: 1. How many people have just gotten sick, from any of the myriad of other respiratory illnesses that exist out there, and now just assume, sans testing, that they have had Covid and now also have natural immunity? 2. How many people, who may have once had verifiable natural immunity, continue to have verifiable proof, through testing, that they maintain natural immunity 6, 9, or 12 months later? |
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Post by rowmat on Sept 7, 2021 14:38:39 GMT -6
When talking of the "unvaccinated" we should not include those that had covid, recovered and have natural immunity. Hopefully, but it seems like there is some question about that. www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm |
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Post by Quint on Sept 7, 2021 14:41:47 GMT -6
Or are the unvaccinated providing a large sandbox for the virus to continue to have a place to mutate in? Did you watch the video? No disrespect intended here, but I'm not watching podcasts from anyone, especially not with Weinstein, to govern my choices on Covid-related matters. I need hard science, in the form of peer reviewed studies or, at the very least/alternatively, a concensus among reputable medical professionals, en masse. Anything less doesn't cut it. If Weinstein is referencing such studies in that video, post a link to that study or studies and I'll read that. |
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Post by seawell on Sept 7, 2021 14:46:30 GMT -6
When talking of the "unvaccinated" we should not include those that had covid, recovered and have natural immunity. I would agree with you in general terms but, when defining such a thing in practical, applicable terms, you have to ask the following: 1. How many people have just gotten sick, from any of the myriad of other respiratory illnesses that exist out there, and now just assume, sans testing, that they have had Covid and now also have natural immunity? 2. How many people, who may have once had verifiable natural immunity, continue to have verifiable proof, through testing, that they maintain natural immunity 6, 9, or 12 months later? I hear you but I would imagine it's the same amount of people as those that have been vaccinated that have tested 6 or more months later to see how their immunity looks..very few if any! I personally am much more concerned about people who were vaccinated(who did not have a previous covid infection) and are past the 6 month mark than those around me with natural immunity. |
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Post by ehrenebbage on Sept 7, 2021 14:48:49 GMT -6
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Post by ehrenebbage on Sept 7, 2021 14:55:40 GMT -6
I would agree with you in general terms but, when defining such a thing in practical, applicable terms, you have to ask the following: 1. How many people have just gotten sick, from any of the myriad of other respiratory illnesses that exist out there, and now just assume, sans testing, that they have had Covid and now also have natural immunity? 2. How many people, who may have once had verifiable natural immunity, continue to have verifiable proof, through testing, that they maintain natural immunity 6, 9, or 12 months later? I personally am much more concerned about people who were vaccinated(who did not have a previous covid infection) and are past the 6 month mark than those around me with natural immunity. What are you seeing that makes you feel this way? |
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Post by Quint on Sept 7, 2021 14:56:16 GMT -6
I would agree with you in general terms but, when defining such a thing in practical, applicable terms, you have to ask the following: 1. How many people have just gotten sick, from any of the myriad of other respiratory illnesses that exist out there, and now just assume, sans testing, that they have had Covid and now also have natural immunity? 2. How many people, who may have once had verifiable natural immunity, continue to have verifiable proof, through testing, that they maintain natural immunity 6, 9, or 12 months later? I hear you but I would imagine it's the same amount of people as those that have been vaccinated that have tested 6 or more months later to see how their immunity looks..very few if any!  I personally am much more concerned about people who were vaccinated(who did not have a previous covid infection) and are past the 6 month mark than those around me with natural immunity. Have you been follow up tested, post recovery? How many other post-recovery patients are getting tested for current levels of immunity? As for those that have been vaccinated, yes, I imagine few have had follow up testing either, but then the vaccinated population is also a population that will generally show up to get a booster if/when recommended. I include myself as someone who will follow any booster recommendations, as they come. So I don't think 150 million vaccine recipients in the US need to go get tested as long as they go get a follow up booster whenever the evidence indicates that they should, and medical recommendations are made to that end. So you're not really making an apples to apples comparison here, between vaccinated and unvaccinated. |
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Post by rowmat on Sept 7, 2021 15:06:38 GMT -6
Israel is around 70% double vaccinated (over 12yo) compared to India around 12%. India was indeed hammered by Delta but now appears to be in decline from new cases while Israel’s case numbers are way up even compared to the US and UK. Either Pfizer (which was mostly used in Israel) is waning in efficacy or as the existing crop of vaccines were developed for the original strain the current data appears to show substantial Delta breakthrough cases. Deaths are also up in Israel but not as much as the original wave. The challenge is trying to playing catch up as the virus mutates without creating unintended consequences in the long term. |
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Post by drbill on Sept 7, 2021 15:08:39 GMT -6
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