Covid vsccine

Don't shoot me.  I'm only the messenger.  

Talked with a buddy who had 2 family members with SERIOUS (months in hospitals) adverse reactions to the vaccine.  Both barely, barely made it.  Praying for them....  So many have no real idea what they are signing up for.  Hence the lawsuit(s). There is zero doubt that many are being adversely affected.  I can't possibly quantify the benefits vs. the risks at this point.

Hey… I’m literally straggling both sides again. Feels like when my
Parents divorced, and both claimed they never loved each other. (I was there. don’t BS me)

I’m a straight up basket case . I had the vaccine a few months back so did my friend. Now, my friend had a heart attack about 6 weeks later,, total coincendence, because hey he’s had a poor diet and bad family history. He’s also a fitness freak with little body fat and maybe ran too far that day at the age of 45. He did great and is now recovering, doctors say it’s like it never happened.. Total coincedence.

I had a bee sting me a month ago, my arm swelled up. They gave me antibiotics I’ve never tried (dumb
prescription) and I took them (dumber). I had a crazy rare reaction to the antibiotics, my skin went AWOL and it was not good. I looked up skin conditions related to the vaccine, .. and crap. Well I could blame the vaccine, but after talking to family I found all my sisters and mother are deathly allergic to that specific antibiotic. Was it the vaccine? 98% no. But I still went nuts. I’m still nuts.( Dr Bill… related note, my family’s reaction that antibiotic is so goddamn rare and misunderstood that doctors refuse to consider it a possibility!!! Even when I tell them, and my family’s experience. So yeah the poor side effect people- go straight to Stanford/Harvard/Yale/UCSF and bypass all avg doctors…. they NEED the genius doctors, not the C avg ones) LOL… bottom line, you have no idea what a relief it is to be vaccinated. Even if I die from the vaccine, screw it. I just don’t care anymore.

That's my wife's situation.  And I agree.  She is viewed (and sometimes confronted) as a pariah by those stumping for everyone to get the vaccine.  She's not getting the vaccine, and has been advised not to because she had Covid, and now has the antibodies.  There is evidence (please don't ask me to look it up..   that you should not get the vaccine if you've had Covid.  I'm not shilling for one side or the other.  Just sharing both personal anecdotal "evidence" and stuff out there that's hitting the headlines as of late.

For me, the most interesting thing I posted were the lockdown and anti-vaccine demonstrations.  Fascinating that so many countries of the world had so many 10's of thousands out to protest.  All with virtually no masks (except the cops).  If delta and transmissible is as deadly as the MSM say it is, we'll be seeing a MASSIVE spike in just a few days as a half million angry people across the globe were in serious close proximity to each other.  I'm sure that will hit front page news.  If the alt side is right, we'll have a a half million people with "colds".  LOL

Hope you figure things out for your peace of mind!!!  (And glad your friend is OK now!!!)

Don't you wish you'd had better "informed consent" on that antibiotic prescription???

I'm sure there are untold people right there with you.  Knowledge is power.  Feel better!!

Even if every single VAERs death is by vaccination (absurdly unlikely) the vaccine is CLEARLY safer than getting COVID. 12k in 150 million?

Let’s not conflate the VAERs statistics with some sort of analysis that would serve as the grounds for not getting the vaccine. It isn’t.

All statistics and/or verifiable analysis available to us at the moment are telling us the same thing as far as I can tell. The vaccine isn’t perfect, but it is much better than getting COVID. No?

VAERS was started in 1990, so any comparison to any previous campaign before that time that uses VAERS is inherently flawed. And again, the reporting requirements are different for FDA approved vaccines (7 day window) than for these under emergency use authorization (indefinite reporting window). So comparisons of VAERS reporting between those two groups is similarly flawed.

By every metric we have, in every study that has been done, the vaccine has been much much safer than actually getting covid. Myocarditis, Guillan-Barre, death, all happen with COVID.

Using the evidence we have available to us for safety from clinical studies these vaccines probably have a better clinical safety profile than every single therapeutic you might name. There is no such thing as an unmitigated good in medicine, but these vaccines look to be darn close.

The whole vaccine's aren't FDA approved yet argument is disingenuous as it implies that the FDA does not recommend that everyone gets them. It's just a proxy for government mistrust, which is ironic because it is also an appeal to government authorization. When the FDA approves the mRNA vaccines, and they will, you can bet this objection vanishes without a trace and many who used it as a reason to not get the vaccine will simply move on to something else.

I believe I was the one that shared that table with you. You'll note the majority are in fact 7 days, with a few exceptions. The longest is six months, and that's for polio in an immunocompromised person. We should also note the fact that the longest reporting window is six months, and that aligns with the FDA's requirements for six months of safety data before issuing full approval. Pfizer and Moderna have both passed that mark, and have both submitted for full approval, and will both get it.


This has some problems, not the least of which is the implicit post hoc fallacy. It's simple to recognize the deaths that are absolutely not related. When an autopsy shows drowning, or heart disease with blocked arteries etc., you can scratch that off the list. There are *so many* of these in the VAERS data. I know, I personally downloaded it and looked. You have no evidence that the remaining potentially unknown causes are being ignored. You don't know that, and in fact the behavior of the FDA and CDC are evidence to the contrary.

When a safety signal on the order of single digits per million was detected for myocarditis, it was rapidly evaluated and added as guidance and warning. That happened after some 200 potentially linked cases (none of them fatal and the majority self-resolving). Why would the same organizations that identified those risks completely miss what you're suggesting are an order of magnitude higher number of deaths?

No drugs are completely safe, and no one here has said that. I specifically said there is no such thing as an unmitigated good. But when we test things - and these vaccines were tested with huge sample sizes in clinical trials and even huger sample sizes since - the safety profile of these is incredibly good. Far better than something like hydroxychloroquine, which isn't to say that hydroxychloroquine is dangerous or shouldn't be used - it's that the mRNA vaccines are that much safer. Statistically a person takes a larger risk the first time they took ibuprofen or advil in their life than taking one of these vaccines.

Putting out VAERS - uncontrolled, unvalidated, unfiltered reports - as a foil to clinical trial evidence is simply a bad comparison.


If you've had covid you are unlikely to have serious illness from another strain. I don't think anyone should be forced to get vaccinated. I also think everyone should be vaccinated. If I had recovered from covid I'd get a single booster to better protect myself from future infection, just like I get a flu shot even though I have had the flu. There's evidence that kind of double-inoculation (natural for spike and nucleocapsid proitein among others, plus a booster against spike) is like double-super-ultra protection. There's also evidence that mild cases of covid aren't as durable or protective as what you get from the vaccine or from more serious cases.

From a public policy perspective the reason they're leaning on people to get vaccinated is because a non-zero number of people will either openly lie about having covid or simply be mistaken. I don't think that means anyone should be coerced, and I don't even necessarily agree with that approach or messaging. But I do understand it.

May not matter either way. At this point 25% of LA county's hospitalizations are break through fully vaccinated patients. Bottom line, we're gonna have to figure out how to live with this $#!@.  You don't need a PhD or study graphs and downloads for days or weeks to figure that out.

More lockdowns and masking coming to a theater near you....whether vaccinated or not.

I was responding to the statement that "In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years" That is an inane claim to make, and irresponsible. That kind of statement should be dismissed out of hand.

Serious question, have you opened and read some VAERS reports? I think you should. Here's some COVID19 vaers reports at random.
916601 - anxiety lasting 30 minutes, feeling much better after 90 minutes
916623 - soreness at site of injection
916686 - fever 12 hours after injection, advil taken, fever broke
916873 - hardening, redness of vaccine area
916892 - two days of feeling chilly and tired, some mild headaches
917406 - fatigue, body aches, nausea, heart racing, chills
917578 - arm soreness, cold tingling feeling on left side, lasted for a few minutes, resolved 24 hours. bad soreness next day
917746 - CPAP patient with difficulty breathing, fine after 30m inutes
1105453 - chills, fever, no appetite, back ache, normal after three days.
1202305 - painful urination with bleeding from penis (!)
1202380 - vomiting, aches, fatigue, and migraine two days after vaccine
1310562 - headache, nausea, person reports they blacked out, fell out of their chair, and hit the floor
1311035 - pregnant female vomiting and diarrhea beginning after 5 days. Went to hospital, discharged for now issues, no lingering episode. Delivered baby 2 weeks later, normal healthy baby.
1398455 - lump on arm at site of injection. Doctor reports this is nonserious

I'm just scrolling and stopping at random. The majority of these adverse events are probably related, but are not serious, and are expected. They reflect the experiences of people in this thread. There are so many things that go into this comparison that need to be said - a superficial comparison of numbers is really misleading. Reporting all VAERS reports as serious adverse events is misleading. Saying that the deaths are causal is absolutely false and should be rejected. I encourage anyone to spend ten minutes to do the same thing I just did if you're curious.


Based on the evidence I've seen, I'd include kids at this point. The risk for both is very low, but the risks of infection outweigh the risks of the vaccine.


Many studies on this topic. This article has many citations as a summary of what we know today.
www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01609-4

As to being a conspiracy theorist or a fool, no, I don't believe that is the case. I think people in general are bad risk evaluators. I think a lot of people are impressionable and there is absolutely deliberate spreading of disinformation and lies all over covid. I think a lot of people suffer from confirmation bias where their mistrust of political parties or government in general makes them more prone to being deceived.

Natural immunity is great and contributes to herd immunity. It looks like its durable and effective against the variants we've seen so far. We don't know how long it lasts (if other human coronaviruses are any indication, maybe 1-2 years) and it may not protect as well vs future variants.

As for your last paragraph... build buildings all your life and you're a builder, but you f--- one goat...! HAHA! (That's a joke).

The crazy thing to me is the spillover of absolutely scientifically incorrect anti-vax rhetoric from the normal places (fringe) into the mainstream, piggybacking on people who would never have entertained that kind of rhetoric before. I'm telling you this trend of social media fundamentally driving perception of fact and reality is incredibly dangerous. At this point its literally killing people while we're throwing away expired vaccines.

The answer to that is to go read the papers directly. Every single major publisher that I know of has made all COVID19 related publications open access to the public for free. Usually you need a university login or something to read. The amount of information you have at your fingertips direct and unfiltered is staggering.

I don't think I've advocated implicitly trusting anyone. In God we trust, all others must bring data.

I think there's deliberate misinformation too. Look at the identical ivermectin and HCQ sites. Clearly being run by the same person/people - clearly spreading bad information about HCQ, which casts doubt on Ivermectin too. There's some bad actors at work.