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Post by seawell on Jul 8, 2021 17:39:46 GMT -6
This messaging sucks...
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Post by bgrotto on Jul 8, 2021 17:55:06 GMT -6
Can we just take a second to recognize that the presence of a "conductor" in our blood (via a vaccine injection) is not inherently a bad thing? Just saying "it's a conductor!" doesn't really mean anything and shouldn't automatically cause concern. I have no idea what this latest thing is now about graphene, or if in fact there actually is graphene even present in the vaccine, but iron and water are conductors too, and we definitely need those in our blood. Give me a legitimate reason to be concerned about graphene in the vaccine and I'll listen, but don't tell me I should be concerned just because it's a conductor. I'll do some Googling on graphene, but color me skeptical at this point. Just more right wing disinformation. 🙄 ”The video with the post contains clips of statements made by Jane Ruby, whose Twitter account identifies her as "Dr. Jane Ruby." Ruby, is not a medical doctor, describing herself as a health economist and "New Right political pundit" with a doctorate in psychology.” |
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Post by Quint on Jul 8, 2021 18:13:04 GMT -6
Can we just take a second to recognize that the presence of a "conductor" in our blood (via a vaccine injection) is not inherently a bad thing? Just saying "it's a conductor!" doesn't really mean anything and shouldn't automatically cause concern. I have no idea what this latest thing is now about graphene, or if in fact there actually is graphene even present in the vaccine, but iron and water are conductors too, and we definitely need those in our blood. Give me a legitimate reason to be concerned about graphene in the vaccine and I'll listen, but don't tell me I should be concerned just because it's a conductor. I'll do some Googling on graphene, but color me skeptical at this point. Just more right wing disinformation. 🙄 ”The video with the post contains clips of statements made by Jane Ruby, whose Twitter account identifies her as "Dr. Jane Ruby." Ruby, is not a medical doctor, describing herself as a health economist and "New Right political pundit" with a doctorate in psychology.” Yeah, I did a little Googling earlier and quickly realized, oh, graphene is part of the whole "the vaccine will magnetize my blood" nonsense. And it is truly 100% nonsense. It usually doesn't take too much digging to get far enough below the surface to see these conspiracies for what they are. |
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Post by seawell on Jul 8, 2021 18:21:43 GMT -6
ZDoggMD has been someone I've come across multiple times throughout the pandemic and I've always enjoyed his content. It will be interesting to see if YouTube is as concerned with their criticisms of Aducanumab as they have been about ivermectin. Having said that, these guys raised a lot of great points about the current ivermectin studies. I'm glad there are 5 legit ones in the pipeline so we can know one way or the other fairly soon 👍🏼 |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 8, 2021 18:45:10 GMT -6
Not that, as a population block, they're necessarily en masse against the particular thing for which they are being reached out to, but simply just because they're not "plugged in" to American society in the same way that a lot of the rest of us take for granted. Had a long-winded response referencing heart disease and smoking deaths, but overall, who cares if they're dialed in? If anything, good if they're not. Look at the numbers. For most of us, it's not laziness. People need to think for themselves. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 8, 2021 18:48:35 GMT -6
Who the hell watches CNN for factual reporting anymore? Waste of time. Edit to remove reposting of CNN twittering |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 8, 2021 18:57:35 GMT -6
It usually doesn't take too much digging to get far enough below the surface to see these conspiracies for what they are. Ok, but maybe use something else besides Googling? They are censoring the shit out of any other considerations. Seriously. |
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Post by Quint on Jul 8, 2021 19:06:59 GMT -6
It usually doesn't take too much digging to get far enough below the surface to see these conspiracies for what they are. Ok, but maybe use something else besides Googling? They are censoring the shit out of any other considerations. Seriously. A quick Google is just to see what's out there, and then decide if it's even worth pursuing further. As I suspected, that's all it took to remind me that the graphene crowd is the "vaccine is magnetizing my blood" crowd. I don't need to chase it any further than that. Yes, there are more precise or better ways to do a little research. But that's for when I have one reason or another to even sort of believe that something is plausible. All Google did in this case was remind me how nonsensical the whole graphene thing is. I'm just not going to waste my time reading from people trying to convince me that the vaccine will magnetize my blood. |
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Post by Quint on Jul 8, 2021 19:09:59 GMT -6
Not that, as a population block, they're necessarily en masse against the particular thing for which they are being reached out to, but simply just because they're not "plugged in" to American society in the same way that a lot of the rest of us take for granted. who cares if they're dialed in? If anything, good if they're not. I care. And you should too, if for no other reason than your own self interest. Why do I care that non-citizens are made aware of their options and given an easier opportunity to receive the vaccine if they so desire? Because they can spread Covid just as easily as the rest of us and the virus really doesn't care which population block it came from or to which it is going. |
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Post by ehrenebbage on Jul 9, 2021 5:56:19 GMT -6
Not that, as a population block, they're necessarily en masse against the particular thing for which they are being reached out to, but simply just because they're not "plugged in" to American society in the same way that a lot of the rest of us take for granted. who cares if they're dialed in? If anything, good if they're not. Why? |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 9, 2021 6:59:57 GMT -6
If you checkout the First Trust covid tracker summary (link posted earlier) combined with some of the facts in their graphs and charts, that sums up my take on things fairly well. I should have just left it at that, lol.
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Post by teejay on Jul 12, 2021 10:40:23 GMT -6
What percentage of the US population do you think has decided to NOT get the vaccine at this point? Either out of personal health reasons, lack of FDA approval or whatever reason? Not out of laziness or "I just haven't got around to it yet".... There's certainly a large percentage of US adults. Why the need for the administration to "get all remaining Americans vaccinated". That seems to go beyond a helpful reminder.... Perhaps not nefarious, but certainly over-reaching IMO. Nobody is making anybody take the vaccine. Uhhhh.... Panetta Pushes Biden to Mandate Vaccines for Military: A Matter of 'National Security' "His remarks come as the Pentagon considers possibly mandating COVID-19 vaccinations for troops by September 1, if the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) fully approves it." |
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Post by bgrotto on Jul 12, 2021 11:07:59 GMT -6
Yikes....that's gnarly. I mean, I think we can all agree that it's pretty messed up to treat humans like expendable cattle, where you can just toss them into a situation where they might be severely injured or even killed, all in the name of 'national security'. I never would have expected something like that from the U.S. military. |
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Post by teejay on Jul 13, 2021 14:13:11 GMT -6
Yikes....that's gnarly. I mean, I think we can all agree that it's pretty messed up to treat humans like expendable cattle, where you can just toss them into a situation where they might be severely injured or even killed, all in the name of 'national security'. I never would have expected something like that from the U.S. military. This isn't the first time... Troops who refused anthrax vaccine paid a high price"During the first eight years that the Pentagon ran the anthrax vaccination program, hundreds of troops refused the vaccine due to perceived health risks or religious concerns — and many of them paid dearly for that decision." "The penalties ranged widely. Some kept on working, others received nonjudicial punishment, lost rank and pay, saw their careers ended or even faced brig time and dishonorable discharges." "In 2004, a court injunction halted the military’s mandatory vaccination program, declaring the previous six years of vaccine administration to be illegal."And yet... Prepare for mandatory COVID vaccines in September, Army tells commands |
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Post by rowmat on Jul 13, 2021 16:21:15 GMT -6
Yikes....that's gnarly. I mean, I think we can all agree that it's pretty messed up to treat humans like expendable cattle, where you can just toss them into a situation where they might be severely injured or even killed, all in the name of 'national security'. I never would have expected something like that from the U.S. military. This isn't the first time... Troops who refused anthrax vaccine paid a high price"During the first eight years that the Pentagon ran the anthrax vaccination program, hundreds of troops refused the vaccine due to perceived health risks or religious concerns — and many of them paid dearly for that decision." "The penalties ranged widely. Some kept on working, others received nonjudicial punishment, lost rank and pay, saw their careers ended or even faced brig time and dishonorable discharges." "In 2004, a court injunction halted the military’s mandatory vaccination program, declaring the previous six years of vaccine administration to be illegal."And yet... Prepare for mandatory COVID vaccines in September, Army tells commandsThere were plenty of stinking rats relating to the 2001 Anthrax attacks that triggered the anthrax vaccine rollout. Both in terms of who was actually behind the attacks and, as always, who benefitted. ie. follow the money. Remember it was used to cement the 2003 invasion of Iraq and we know that was BS. |
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Post by drbill on Jul 13, 2021 16:43:45 GMT -6
Thank goodness we will be OK though!!!! Hang in there....  According to stuff I'm seeing everywhere, the current administration is going to take attack against Covid and Vaccine "dis" information by monitoring the phone companies, social media companies, and even texts - to stop the disinformation from leaking out. I guess this will end up nuking this thread, cause God only knows there are two sides being presented here.... Good bye 1st amendment...... Maybe it's all a farce. . Has anyone fact checked this with the FANTASTIC fact checkers yet? Time will tell I suppose. One thing is for sure, this gets stranger and stranger each and every day. |
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Post by bgrotto on Jul 13, 2021 16:57:28 GMT -6
Thank goodness we will be OK though!!!! Hang in there.... According to stuff I'm seeing everywhere, the current administration is going to take attack against Covid and Vaccine "dis" information by monitoring the phone companies, social media companies, and even texts - to stop the disinformation from leaking out. I guess this will end up nuking this thread, cause God only knows there are two sides being presented here.... Good bye 1st amendment...... Maybe it's all a farce. . Has anyone fact checked this with the FANTASTIC fact checkers yet? Time will tell I suppose. One thing is for sure, this gets stranger and stranger each and every day. Can you share a bit more about what 'everywhere' looks like in this case? |
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Post by rowmat on Jul 13, 2021 17:21:42 GMT -6
Thank goodness we will be OK though!!!! Hang in there.... According to stuff I'm seeing everywhere, the current administration is going to take attack against Covid and Vaccine "dis" information by monitoring the phone companies, social media companies, and even texts - to stop the disinformation from leaking out. I guess this will end up nuking this thread, cause God only knows there are two sides being presented here.... Good bye 1st amendment...... Maybe it's all a farce. . Has anyone fact checked this with the FANTASTIC fact checkers yet? Time will tell I suppose. One thing is for sure, this gets stranger and stranger each and every day. Which means encrypted messaging services will be banned or given to Zuckerberg to exploit. |
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Post by drbill on Jul 13, 2021 17:28:22 GMT -6
Thank goodness we will be OK though!!!! Hang in there.... According to stuff I'm seeing everywhere, the current administration is going to take attack against Covid and Vaccine "dis" information by monitoring the phone companies, social media companies, and even texts - to stop the disinformation from leaking out. I guess this will end up nuking this thread, cause God only knows there are two sides being presented here.... Good bye 1st amendment...... Maybe it's all a farce. . Has anyone fact checked this with the FANTASTIC fact checkers yet? Time will tell I suppose. One thing is for sure, this gets stranger and stranger each and every day. Can you share a bit more about what 'everywhere' looks like in this case? OK. . I have been known to fall into a bit of hyperbole before. LOL. I've seen it a coupe or three places. Disturbing enough that I actually remembered it in the midst of scheduled chaos here... |
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Post by bgrotto on Jul 13, 2021 20:22:40 GMT -6
Can you share a bit more about what 'everywhere' looks like in this case? OK. . I have been known to fall into a bit of hyperbole before. LOL. I've seen it a coupe or three places. Disturbing enough that I actually remembered it in the midst of scheduled chaos here... Got any links? I'm keen to check it out. |
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Post by drbill on Jul 13, 2021 20:26:55 GMT -6
OK. . I have been known to fall into a bit of hyperbole before. LOL. I've seen it a coupe or three places. Disturbing enough that I actually remembered it in the midst of scheduled chaos here... Got any links? I'm keen to check it out. Eh,,,,should have bookmarked. I didn't. If I run across it again, I'll link it. [edit]. OK, took me all of about 5 seconds to find this one. Didn't read the whole thing, but it's the gist of it : www.foxnews.com/media/*no politics*-slammed-plans-monitor-text-messages-vaccine-misinformation (edit #2) - haha. Replace *no politics* with the lower case 5 letters of our presidents name. And yeah, I'll probably get a temp ban for circumventing the rules. . If I get banned I'm blaming you Benny!!! Getting VERY difficult to discuss this matter WITHOUT politics. |
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Post by bgrotto on Jul 13, 2021 21:20:15 GMT -6
Got any links? I'm keen to check it out. Eh,,,,should have bookmarked. I didn't. If I run across it again, I'll link it. [edit]. OK, took me all of about 5 seconds to find this one. Didn't read the whole thing, but it's the gist of it : www.foxnews.com/media/*no politics*-slammed-plans-monitor-text-messages-vaccine-misinformation (edit #2) - haha. Replace *no politics* with the lower case 5 letters of our presidents name. And yeah, I'll probably get a temp ban for circumventing the rules. . If I get banned I'm blaming you Benny!!! Getting VERY difficult to discuss this matter WITHOUT politics. ha i hope i don't get you in trouble! |
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Post by bgrotto on Jul 13, 2021 21:34:13 GMT -6
Got any links? I'm keen to check it out. Eh,,,,should have bookmarked. I didn't. If I run across it again, I'll link it. [edit]. OK, took me all of about 5 seconds to find this one. Didn't read the whole thing, but it's the gist of it : www.foxnews.com/media/*no politics*-slammed-plans-monitor-text-messages-vaccine-misinformation (edit #2) - haha. Replace *no politics* with the lower case 5 letters of our presidents name. And yeah, I'll probably get a temp ban for circumventing the rules. . If I get banned I'm blaming you Benny!!! Getting VERY difficult to discuss this matter WITHOUT politics. Oh gosh. I just read the fox news article you linked, and then the politico article they're referencing. What is happening in reality is not what is happening in the weird fox news / right wing pundit / (r) 2024-hopeful world. They are claiming that the current admin is gonna go fishing through people's text messages. That is, in a word, baloney. There's no spying; just good ol' fashioned fact-checking. They're going to counter the rampant disinformation sent by RWNJ-types with accurate information, and by calling out specific liars for lying. That's a MUCH different thing. I mean, heck, why wouldn't you want to counter and call out lies like: “[this admin] is sending goons DOOR-TO-DOOR to make you take a Covid-19 vaccine. Sign the petition to: No medical raids in America.” I would think we can all agree that lying politicians should be called out for lying, yes? BTW - there's no threat to the 'free speech' (ie - the lies) these fools are texting their followers. They'll be free to continue to text their lies. Now, there will just be folks with a big-ass megaphone loudly calling them liars, and pointing out their lies. No wonder they're all in a tizzy about it! |
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Post by drbill on Jul 13, 2021 21:57:15 GMT -6
I still believe in free speech. Let the chips fall wherever they may....
btw - as an aside, I think there was a different politico article that kicked this hive of hornets....
Politics and the federal government has no business in personal medical decisions IMO.
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Post by bgrotto on Jul 14, 2021 13:30:14 GMT -6
I still believe in free speech. Let the chips fall wherever they may....btw - as an aside, I think there was a different politico article that kicked this hive of hornets.... Politics and the federal government has no business in personal medical decisions IMO. I think that's what's happening here. The lying liars will text their lies to their followers, and the admin will tell the world they're lying. There's honestly not REALLY a hive of hornets here. This is just another rightwing red meat straw man meant to outrage and frighten people into donating to campaigns. |
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