Covid vsccine

The damaging message is already out, and what you call 'censorship' simply serves to amplify it.  Its promoters know this, and they play the game expertly.  They're very, very good at the game.

The thing is, you're smart, and curious.  You actually WANT to know what's going on.  Most people are not like you and will take a headline at face value.

It’s not about treating them like children. Without a doubt there is a portion of the population who simply can’t read and digest a medical research article with a critical eye. Back when no one but doctors read medical journals it’s not a big deal. Today there’s a combination of access (good!) and ability to spread information (good!) that opens up unique avenues for disinformation (bad). The way social media works as a confirmation bias enhancer makes this very difficult. Most people don’t go read the actual article referenced in a headline. Most people read social media posts or watch YouTube videos. Some people who saw Dr Malone - a trusted expert - tweet that article out will forever remain convinced of the danger of the vaccines and that the article was pulled for reasons other than poor quality research.

I’m curious - has Dr Malone said anything about the retraction?

You know the game newspapers play in politics - shout the headline, whisper the retraction.

I read this guys economics newsletter every week. The topic this week was spot on for this thread. Highly recommend.

www.mauldineconomics.com/frontlinethoughts/the-new-inquisition

I'll add this to the mix. I've found the First Trust covid tracker to be very insightful over the last year. In this age of being able to discuss what room Mix Magazine wants to proclaim amazing as political, but on the other hand dismissing, censoring and banning any contradictory opinion to vaccines on all platforms, having a group of dudes just look at the numbers every week is pretty interesting.

This is their last Tracker, but there are 51 other posts just looking at the facts that are very informative.

www.ftportfolios.com/Common/ContentFileLoader.aspx?ContentGUID=7f901f0e-d21e-4a79-9a5e-f6603b35d3b2

Glad you found it useful, Ward. I thought that sentence was very interesting as well. Lots of subtleties in there. I don't want to argue the right/wrong or the politics though, respectfully.

Just thought it was worth posting because week by week I found them to have sober, unbiased statistics and charts that bore an incredibly different picture than what was being pushed everywhere. Highly informative to go back through their blog and look at the charts.

I'll just add that I've been so grateful to live in Texas during this time. Our governor has been a rockstar and really stepped up.

Can we just take a second to recognize that the presence of a "conductor" in our blood (via a vaccine injection) is not inherently a bad thing? Just saying "it's a conductor!" doesn't really mean anything and shouldn't automatically cause concern.

I have no idea what this latest thing is now about graphene, or if in fact there actually is graphene even present in the vaccine, but iron and water are conductors too, and we definitely need those in our blood. Give me a legitimate reason to be concerned about graphene in the vaccine and I'll listen, but don't tell me I should be concerned just because it's a conductor.

I'll do some Googling on graphene, but color me skeptical at this point.

And here's a fun fact now that we have studied this thing for awhile past the knee jerk reaction: the median age of death due to covid (80.1) is GREATER than the median life expectancy of humans (72.5 years). I know I'm late to this discussion but can we please get a grip and look at facts reasonably without the doomsday scenario for every issue? Yes, people died of Covid. Every death is tragic but that's what we do. We humans die. No one gets out alive. To me, living in fear isn't living. Might as well get on with it if we are fearful. I haven't and will not get any vaccine nor has my immediate family. If you have, I'm all for it. No judgment here. But were good. And if I check out due to Covid, it's been a good ride. Y'all can split up my gear up between you. My family has no interest in it lol.

Door to door campaigns are silly. I think the right is taking the worst possible interpretation (zomg they're going to come force people!) while the left is gleefully giving all kind of red meat for people to freak out over it by saying things that amount to public interest supersedes privacy. It's dumb.

But with regard to your question - I've been surprised that when we've offered vaccines on our work sites a decent chunk of people haven't done it simply because of laziness or whatever. They have no objection to it, but it doesn't matter to them enough to go do it. When we have a nurse on site offering it, they'll take it. My friend who works in a hospital in Louisiana says the same thing - most people who haven't been vaccinated aren't opposed or reluctant, but just lazy. Maybe lazy is the wrong word, I don't mean it as a pejorative. Don't care enough to take time out of their day to go do it.

If you put the best interpretation on what the administration is saying, they're going to reach that group of people.

Edit to fix my use of the word for when one suit of cards beats another but also the word for a former President 

Agreed. I think this is what the outreach effort is trying to achieve. I don't see it as nefarious in any way.

Also, I tried to legitimately type something here on RGO the other day about a particular brass horn, the cousin of the coronet, and it got automatically replaced with *no politics*. If John ever introduces a new "Brass & Woodwinds" subforum, there may be some difficulties...

Haha!!  Nor where I live.  There's public dirt roads I won't go down that I know are legit public county roads that have "personalized"  --  "no trespassing - violators will be shot" signs on them.  Residents prefer their privacy.  And I can respect that.  Plus, I don't want my ass shot off.  

Personally, I find it creepy but of course we all view things differently. I guess it's just that medical information and choices have been considered to be such a personal thing for so long. The idea of anyone knocking on my door, asking me absolutely anything about my health or what treatments I have or have not gotten is nuts to me. After the past year plus, I guess I shouldn't be surprised though. I get it, a pandemic is different but I never appreciated the "get vaccinated so you don't kill grandma" approach. That's way over the top in my opinion.

I'm not so sure about people just not getting around to it. Everyone I know that hasn't gotten it yet is a pretty hard "no." That, coupled with the fact that you turn on TV and see full crowds at sporting events, etc.. then add in a little pandemic fatigue or whatever you want to call it and I think people are just over it at this point.

You have to keep in mind too, A LOT has been asked of everyone... from lockdowns, to business closures to homeschooling, etc.. For many, asking them to get vaccinated(for whatever reasons they have) is the final straw. I really wish the administration would do a better job of acknowledging people that have had covid + recovered with antibodies are in as good if not a better spot that those that have been vaccinated. I fall into this camp.