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Post by Quint on Jan 27, 2021 18:14:14 GMT -6
Strymon already got my money for products like this. Yes. With an Irdium and Flint, you can have all loads of fun. Not to mention the Deco, El Capistan, Volante, etc. It's the overall user experience of those Strymon pedals that I think makes them so fun. They're just easy to use and get a sound you like. They've really got that side of the equation nailed down.
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Post by ragan on Jan 27, 2021 18:22:38 GMT -6
Yeah they've got a strong hold on the expensive DSP pedals market for a good reason. They've earned it.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 27, 2021 18:23:50 GMT -6
From the little VK demo, I'd take the actual sonics of the UA pedals over the Strymon stuff, probably. And I like Strymon, generally. But do they really only have one preset, as someone here said??? OK just watched the Vintage King demos, they are way better than the Sweetwater demos. It seems like if you run these in stereo, and run them DI to an interface rather than amps, they really "shine." The Golden reverb one stands out to me among these I think. People are starting to use pedals like "rack gear" now, so I "get it." That's not how I use pedals personally. It's guitar - pedal - amp. So I'm not sure about these still for how I would use them.
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Post by ragan on Jan 27, 2021 18:25:23 GMT -6
From the little VK demo, I'd take the actual sonics of the UA pedals over the Strymon stuff, probably. And I like Strymon, generally. But do they really only have one preset, as someone here said??? OK just watched the Vintage King demos, they are way better than the Sweetwater demos. It seems like if you run these in stereo, and run them DI to an interface rather than amps, they really "shine." The Golden reverb one stands out to me among these I think. People are starting to use pedals like "rack gear" now, so I "get it." That's not how I use pedals personally. It's guitar - pedal - amp. So I'm not sure about these still for how I would use them. Can they take line level? I would honestly think it's pretty cool to have some little physical knob boxes for running UAD plugins. Not gonna pay $400/ea though.
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Post by Quint on Jan 27, 2021 18:27:47 GMT -6
Yeah they've got a strong hold on the expensive DSP pedals market for a good reason. They've earned it. Also, some of the best demo/how to videos I've ever seen from a manufacturer. That's not for nothing....
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Post by Quint on Jan 27, 2021 18:34:20 GMT -6
OK just watched the Vintage King demos, they are way better than the Sweetwater demos. It seems like if you run these in stereo, and run them DI to an interface rather than amps, they really "shine." The Golden reverb one stands out to me among these I think. People are starting to use pedals like "rack gear" now, so I "get it." That's not how I use pedals personally. It's guitar - pedal - amp. So I'm not sure about these still for how I would use them. Can they take line level? I would honestly think it's pretty cool to have some little physical knob boxes for running UAD plugins. Not gonna pay $400/ea though. I think I read that they can take line level. Not sure if it's balanced or not though. I know that my Strymon pedals can take line level.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 27, 2021 18:36:29 GMT -6
Can they take line level? I would honestly think it's pretty cool to have some little physical knob boxes for running UAD plugins. Not gonna pay $400/ea though. EDIT: wrong Doesn't look like it, but I can't find specs anywhere. Another win for Strymon, well at least the Voltante I just ordered haha.I've seen people doing a lot of production with instrument levels, mostly synth people, but I guess you can use guitars like that too. Or you could always reamp then DI, but for some reason that would annoy me. I have that gear here but I never do it in practice. So yeah people with a bunch of synth boxes might like some of these.
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Post by javamad on Jan 27, 2021 19:29:23 GMT -6
It was confirmed on the livestream that they CAN take line level.
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Post by grantb on Jan 28, 2021 0:36:48 GMT -6
Hardware synth nerd who uses line level pedals on the patchbay checking in. This is a convenient way to work since you can get multiple things running and still be dialing in synth patches and effects with ease. You might be composing, arranging, designing sounds, and integrating effects all at once as part of a fluid process. To get unique sounds you could be feeding auxes back into the synth and then into the mixer and more effects in ways which wouldn't be possible if the synth were tracked already. It's a different workflow than write, rehearse, track, overdub, mix. Some people do it ITB or hybrid, but for me I like to jam out and have fun, and computers are not jammin or fun.
I agree that the Golden reverb is the most compelling. It seems downright reasonable for a nice 224 ambient verb compared to that preposterous CXM 1978 thing. Oto BAM is good but more expensive and not as smooth. Eventide is great but their pedals are stagnating. Strymon fell a bit flat with the NightSky IMO. The Golden spring is a no go for me, as are all spring emulations; they just don't work as well for synths as they do for guitars. The hall and plate sound better than BigSky based on the VK demo. It's less flexible, but simplicity with great sounds can be nice too. The echo sounded pretty good but I'll be sticking with Volante and El Capistan and my slew of other delays. True stereo is great for synths though. The mod pedal is not even close to anything I need.
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Post by lpedrum on Jan 28, 2021 0:59:11 GMT -6
They are 9V boss style power sockets. I am totally underwhelmed with these demo videos. They haven't done anything new or exciting besides offering "UAD sound quality" whatever that means. I think they should be $300 maximum, for something this basic. Chase Bliss, Boss, Eventide, Strymon will eat these for breakfast. Hate to say it but these UAD pedals are "Not Cool." If I wanted to be completely cynical I'd say UA is simply jumping into the hot pedal market. I took a quick look and I don't see any features that haven't been done by many other companies. It appears to be just a pedal repackaging of plugins they've already developed. The price borders on insulting.
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Post by spindrift on Jan 28, 2021 2:07:37 GMT -6
Called it. There are a lot more non-pro-audio buyers who can easily cough up $400 for a toy vs. pro audio gear that sets you back $2000+ and plugin costs to boot. The markup is insane on pedals and they will make a killing. UAD is not foolish.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 28, 2021 6:15:55 GMT -6
Well, I don’t think the new UA boxes are toys and do agree in the current market they saw opportunity here, to me while they sound good, they seem over priced, no presets, equals recall pain and buying code many have already bought?
Have seen a couple people wondering about UA always launches price high, deals later, so a bundle price and like at least $100 or 1/3rd off to me would seem more reasonable.
I can do a lot of things with $1-1200 usd, don’t know that pedals whisper many sweet recording improvement everything’s here.
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Post by subspace on Jan 28, 2021 7:08:16 GMT -6
I await the iStomp shootout with baited breath.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jan 28, 2021 9:39:29 GMT -6
Maybe they will be worth more when they become obsolete...lol. I am still bummed that we didn't see something useful, fun, and new.
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Post by lpedrum on Jan 28, 2021 10:19:04 GMT -6
Well, I don’t think the new UA boxes are toys and do agree in the current market they saw opportunity here, to me while they sound good, they seem over priced, no presets, equals recall pain and buying code many have already bought? Have seen a couple people wondering about UA always launches price high, deals later, so a bundle price and like at least $100 or 1/3rd off to me would seem more reasonable. I can do a lot of things with $1-1200 usd, don’t know that pedals whisper many sweet recording improvement everything’s here. Maybe we should turn this thread into what pedal we’d buy instead! That Dr Robert pedal sounds amazing.
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Post by Quint on Jan 28, 2021 10:39:06 GMT -6
Well, I don’t think the new UA boxes are toys and do agree in the current market they saw opportunity here, to me while they sound good, they seem over priced, no presets, equals recall pain and buying code many have already bought? Have seen a couple people wondering about UA always launches price high, deals later, so a bundle price and like at least $100 or 1/3rd off to me would seem more reasonable. I can do a lot of things with $1-1200 usd, don’t know that pedals whisper many sweet recording improvement everything’s here. Maybe we should turn this thread into what pedal we’d buy instead! That Dr Robert pedal sounds amazing. I'd buy this one.... reverb.com/item/37257188-boss-ds-1-collector-1998-gold-limited-ultra-rare-offer-accepted
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Post by Guitar on Jan 28, 2021 10:41:38 GMT -6
Maybe we should turn this thread into what pedal we’d buy instead! That Dr Robert pedal sounds amazing. Some other ones in that vein are the Castledine Magical Mystery Box, and the Elektric Majic 7 Series Overdrive. I am really intrigued by these "preamp" pedals along with the Hudson Broadcast, but I don't have any yet. Instead of the UA Starlight I bought a Strymon Volante, I guess I keep saying that, but I'm excited, getting pumped up for it. In the demos I thought the UAFX delay was too "hi fi" I'm more after that old timey grit myself. If I need a hi fi delay I'll just buy a Boss or use any number of plugins, for pennies on the dollar. Instead of the UA Astra, maybe a Moogerfooger stereo phaser, used. Or simply an EH Small Clone for my taste. Or a Phase 100. Not expensive. You shouldn't have to spend $400 for a phaser, chorus, or tremolo. The tremolo, I would immediately go to the Demeter Tremulator, love that thing. The reverb I'm not sure about. I just use a Hermida/GGG Belton "spring" reverb that I built, that doesn't leave me wanting. I think of reverb on guitar as a background ambience tail, more than a big effect. I'm not personally into "big effecty guitars" that sound like synthesizers, just not how I play. That's a very popular thing right now though, with those Meris pedals and all those. But for a hardcore reverb I think it would be hard to look past Big Sky, Blue Sky, Flint from Strymon. I've just seen so many hard-ass players with those boxes that I have to assume they're worth it. That Earthquaker Avalanche Run delay/verb also looks really good. Although yeah, Earthquaker has some "price issues" also I'll call it. These vendors pat themselves on the back sometimes and make you pay for it. I do think the Golden looks pretty good for plate and that digital thing it does, I wasn't blown away by their spring model, that sproingy crash thing is weird to me.
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Post by spindrift on Jan 28, 2021 10:42:41 GMT -6
Well, I don’t think the new UA boxes are toys and do agree in the current market they saw opportunity here, to me while they sound good, they seem over priced, no presets, equals recall pain and buying code many have already bought? Have seen a couple people wondering about UA always launches price high, deals later, so a bundle price and like at least $100 or 1/3rd off to me would seem more reasonable. I can do a lot of things with $1-1200 usd, don’t know that pedals whisper many sweet recording improvement everything’s here. Toy is probably not the right word, but it’s how I view a pedal purchase compared to my pro audio gear....if that makes sense. A fun little bauble that does these one or two tricks very well...is relatively affordable and available to the masses. The market for that is much bigger than pro audio and a smart move on their part.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 28, 2021 10:47:16 GMT -6
Gotcha, ya, that’s fair.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 28, 2021 10:48:06 GMT -6
Toy is probably not the right word, but it’s how I view a pedal purchase compared to my pro audio gear....if that makes sense. A fun little bauble that does these one or two tricks very well...is relatively affordable and available to the masses. The market for that is much bigger than pro audio and a smart move on their part. Made me think of this meme about guitar culture: Attachments:
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Post by javamad on Jan 28, 2021 14:26:08 GMT -6
Just caught a bit of the livestream .... MCU support upcoming!! "Mackie Control Surface Universal (ie Mackie, Icon, Behringer, Presonus, V control app), Eucon/MCU emulation might be possible they are looking at it."
.. they gave a demo of what works so far .. more work to do but great to know its on the way.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 28, 2021 14:28:37 GMT -6
Just caught a bit of the livestream .... MCU support upcoming!! "Mackie Control Surface Universal (ie Mackie, Icon, Behringer, Presonus, V control app), Eucon/MCU emulation might be possible they are looking at it." .. they gave a demo of what works so far .. more work to do but great to know its on the way. Say anything about Hardware compensation?
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Post by guitfiddler on Jan 28, 2021 14:36:16 GMT -6
I’m so disappointed that I might take a break from UAD all together. I might even try some different interfaces, see what’s out there...hardware inserts and compensation, I know, I know...they are working against hardware, they want plugins that emulate hardware...ugh
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Post by Guitar on Jan 28, 2021 14:48:56 GMT -6
I’m so disappointed that I might take a break from UAD all together. I might even try some different interfaces, see what’s out there...hardware inserts and compensation, I know, I know...they are working against hardware, they want plugins that emulate hardware...ugh That's a fun rabbit hole to go down sometimes. I've had half a dozen large and small interfaces since Apollo and they all have had their personalities. You might want to keep a Satellite so you can use your UAD plugins, unless you are OK with selling them all along with the interface.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 28, 2021 15:00:16 GMT -6
I’m so disappointed that I might take a break from UAD all together. I might even try some different interfaces, see what’s out there...hardware inserts and compensation, I know, I know...they are working against hardware, they want plugins that emulate hardware...ugh Well, there's no way they can be a mature DAW without it...so I'm sure it's coming. I mean, they sell HW too...it's just a PITA
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