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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 5, 2021 7:35:11 GMT -6
gwlee7, It’s unfortunate, if you got bad advice about UA. I see it the other way, like Johnken, it’s a very useful system, that does work very well, if that suits your ear, workflow and pocket book. After, I directly compared X to Aurora, I preferred Aurora n, but I very happily use my UA plugs and octo every mix. To each their own, part of the fun of having so many great options now.
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Post by gwlee7 on Jun 5, 2021 7:45:17 GMT -6
Another thing that is happening in my experience is that I am liking non UAD plugs that I have as much or even more than I do all the things I have from UA. Fuse Audio, Tokyo Dawn Everything bundle, and my Softube stuff (console 1) are all great. Plus the stock plugs in Studio one 5 are quite usable as well.
I am becoming tempted to just list my satellite and plugins as a make offer in the classifieds here, and toss the Twin USB in for free. That will be a huge hit probably but I won’t keep feeling “stuck” this way.
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Post by gwlee7 on Jun 5, 2021 8:14:25 GMT -6
gwlee7 , It’s unfortunate, if you got bad advice about UA. I see it the other way, like Johnken, it’s a very useful system, that does work very well, if that suits your ear, workflow and pocket book. After, I directly compared X to Aurora, I preferred Aurora n, but I very happily use my UA plugs and octo every mix. To each their own, part of the fun of having so many great options now. To be fair, it may not be bad advice as much as bad timing. When I purchased my twin, USB was still being supported and the adoption of thunderbolt came about a year or so later. It’s my twin that’s obsolete and just sitting in its box now. The PC that I bought as my music computer may be able to have a thunderbolt card installed but that’s not really the point to me. I would have happily bought more UA gear as my needs changed. One option that “X” Apollos offer is the ability to slave your twin to other interfaces and use the Twin for its added processing power and more importantly, as a monitor controller. I was very excited about this possibility until I realized that all of these options weren’t open to me because I had a USB Twin and UAD was now thunderbolt only. The addition of LUNA and was just another slap in the face from my standpoint as none of this is available to me and my Apollo is not all that old. If I do decide at a later date to purchase a new computer (Mac mini as an example) that has thunderbolt, there is certainly no need to purchase another interface as my MOTU 828es that I am using now through USB is also thunderbolt compliant and I believe I can even run it with my Ipad if I needed to. My big gripe is that in 2017 I paid around $1000 for a piece of gear that UA says basically tough shit to you and if you want to get the most out of all we have to offer going forward, be prepared to pay thousands more. That ain’t happening. ETA: oh and one more frustrating thing. One of the guys I collaborate with was willing to buy my Twin to use to cut scratch vocals and bass parts with until we realized (again) that the Twin USB I have is compatible with PC only and he has a Macbook Pro. He wants an Apollo and I don’t blame him in a lot of ways, but, he can’t buy mine at a very fair price.
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Post by plinker on Jun 5, 2021 9:10:18 GMT -6
To be fair, it may not be bad advice as much as bad timing. When I purchased my twin, USB was still being supported and the adoption of thunderbolt came about a year or so later. It’s my twin that’s obsolete and just sitting in its box now. The PC that I bought as my music computer may be able to have a thunderbolt card installed but that’s not really the point to me. I would have happily bought more UA gear as my needs changed. One option that “X” Apollos offer is the ability to slave your twin to other interfaces and use the Twin for its added processing power and more importantly, as a monitor controller. I was very excited about this possibility until I realized that all of these options weren’t open to me because I had a USB Twin and UAD was now thunderbolt only. The addition of LUNA and was just another slap in the face from my standpoint as none of this is available to me and my Apollo is not all that old. If I do decide at a later date to purchase a new computer (Mac mini as an example) that has thunderbolt, there is certainly no need to purchase another interface as my MOTU 828es that I am using now through USB is also thunderbolt compliant and I believe I can even run it with my Ipad if I needed to. My big gripe is that in 2017 I paid around $1000 for a piece of gear that UA says basically tough shit to you and if you want to get the most out of all we have to offer going forward, be prepared to pay thousands more. That ain’t happening. ETA: oh and one more frustrating thing. One of the guys I collaborate with was willing to buy my Twin to use to cut scratch vocals and bass parts with until we realized (again) that the Twin USB I have is compatible with PC only and he has a Macbook Pro. He wants an Apollo and I don’t blame him in a lot of ways, but, he can’t buy mine at a very fair price. I'm sorry to hear this, Greg.
600 lb Gorilla syndrome.
First Protools, then Waves (remember the WUP??), now UA....
They all suffer from hubris!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 11:49:15 GMT -6
And my reply may sound a little harsh towards you and that was not my intention. I am frustrated that I was steered onto the UA path starting out in digital recording and it quickly proved to be a platform that is intentionally inflexible in terms of growing with it unless you have deep pockets. It's all good and I can empathise, even though it worked fantastically for many years I dumped Pro Tools HDX because the upgrade costs were quite frankly silly. To upgrade at the time I needed 3X Omni's plus the crossgrade which I believe was another $2500.00? Because many people at the time (back in 2010(ish)) exalted the virtues of native and cheaper converters I decided to follow that path, unfortunately my first introduction to Pro Tools native (version 8 I believe?) wasn't great.. ADC issues galore / things didn't sample match (like sends to aux's), I had plugins that didn't work correctly and so on (I spent more time aligning / sorting out issues than I did mixing). Then I bought Samplitude which as a DAW is actually severely underrated (with some great inbuilt plugs) but I couldn't get along with the workflow for reasons I can't remember. Anyway back in 2010 plugins in general were sort of okay. As most recommended Waves I bought a few plugs but after the second WUP I didn't bother with it. Also computers even back then weren't much more powerful than your average gerbil and the core I7 was relatively new / expensive at the time. So I thought I'd give UA a go, bought a UAD-1 PCI-E card around 2011(ish) and guess what? It pretty much became defunct out the box as UAD-2 got released, still I quite liked the legacy UA LA-2A's / 1176's so I used it for a few years. As time progressed I bought more UA plugins but native really was stepping up its game at this point, so in 2014 I became an early adopter of the new MOTU 1248.. Which on 128 samples on Windows via USB loved to crackle and pop like rice crispies, I had at the time two laptops and a full tower, the laptops were an I5 / I7 and the full tower had a 5960X in it. Happened on all of them.. GREAT! So I went interface hunting again and after trying just about everything I settled on something that was rock solid even if I wasn't overly keen on the sound. Then on a whim I decided to buy the Apollo and it has been perfect so far, BUT all of my plugins were legacy / out of date / not so great sounding by modern standards and to fix that it required more money, given my interactions with ITB over the years one can probably understand why I'm not a fan of it at all. If one thinks HW is a money pit then ITB actually ranks higher in that category for me. Ultimately I've come to one simple conclusion, if you find a complete solution that sounds half decent, is reliable, has decent latency and has the potential to last you a while despite the initial daunting cost (if applicable)... Stick to it like glue, don't swap it out, change it or search for the next best thing just learn to get the best out of it. Hindsight is a derriere, if I'd have known all at the time I'd have just upgraded my HDX rig and actually saved myself many ironic dollars, because I've essentially moved from a HDX rig to a HDX rig under a different name.
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Post by gwlee7 on Jun 5, 2021 12:17:14 GMT -6
I think I am getting ready to dump it all to finance other musical adventures that are a little less constrictive.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 5, 2021 12:54:01 GMT -6
UA still makes the FW Apollo 8.
I ditched Windows for Mac about 10 year’s ago and when I started using TB, my Apollo system was rock solid.
There is certainly recording life after UA, but I strategically bought a 10 plug deal when I bought my last X6 and it came with about $2000 of plug ins on top of its tethered bundle so there are certainly ways to get into UA more cheaply.
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Post by gwlee7 on Jun 5, 2021 13:16:01 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 5, 2021 13:50:42 GMT -6
Ah, you can still put a tb card in it and have all other features except Luna.
I know some are falling in love with Luna. I thought why bother learning another daw (logic works fine), buying more plugs and having every mix dependent on having an Apollo?
We are all faced with the march of technology, some decisions will work out, some won’t so much. When I switched from Windows to Mac, I thought I’d be upgrading computers like every 5 years. Ironically, I had 2 m1 minis here , liked them, but sent them both back as my 2012 i7 is chugging along fine, and as my new Aurora n seemed happier on Catalina not big Sur: it’s always something, I just want shit to work when I power it up.
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Post by gwlee7 on Jun 5, 2021 14:07:27 GMT -6
Ah, you can still put a tb card in it and have all other features except Luna. I know some are falling in love with Luna. I thought why bother learning another daw (logic works fine), buying more plugs and having every mix dependent on having an Apollo? We are all faced with the march of technology, some decisions will work out, some won’t so much. When I switched from Windows to Mac, I thought I’d be upgrading computers like every 5 years. Ironically, I had 2 m1 minis here , liked them, but sent them both back as my 2012 i7 is chugging along fine, and as my new Aurora n seemed happier on Catalina not big Sur: it’s always something, I just want shit to work when I power it up. Yeah. Like I said it was more bad timing than bad advice. Anyway, you are correct is saying we all roll the dice on tech.
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Post by wiz on Jun 5, 2021 22:02:59 GMT -6
I need to talk to someone about how Luna manages projects backups file clean up etc
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 5, 2021 22:30:46 GMT -6
I need to talk to someone about how Luna manages projects backups file clean up etc You mean like cleaning out unused files? It doesn’t yet.
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Post by wiz on Jun 6, 2021 0:41:50 GMT -6
I need to talk to someone about how Luna manages projects backups file clean up etc You mean like cleaning out unused files? It doesn’t yet. Yes that and backing up etc cheers Wiz
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 6, 2021 3:55:39 GMT -6
Drew may chime in, but this seems to be a work in progress.
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