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Post by indiehouse on Jun 4, 2021 3:09:19 GMT -6
Interesting to note, there is only one Motu for sale on Reverb (828es/16a) and twenty used Apollo X’s.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 4, 2021 4:42:00 GMT -6
It's that thing Ragan was talking about, being tethered into this DSP dongle slash web store with the (inarguably) high prices and inability to resell individual licenses. It starts to feel tiresome after a while. I could easily make a list of "UAD alternative" native plugins for most of them. If you already have a satellite you're covered for the "special ones," which yes there are a few that stand out. I don't think going all UAD gives much advantage in this case. Maybe I would just add a second satellite for higher instance counts, I think that would go just as far for a smaller expense, with keeping the MOTUs. You'd have even more DSP power, keep the AVB routing and etc, and less total expense/hassle.
If you like routing, Apollo is not so much your friend. There are a limited number of DSP routes you can do, something they don't talk about much. MOTU / AVB is a routing monster.
To put it simply some people see going Apollo as adding features, and some people see it as adding UAD baggage. Depends on how much you use/need them.
I got out of Apollo and went Focusrite Clarett / Presonus Quantum and was extremely happy about the change. Felt freeing, and sounded better, saved moneys. That was a few years back. Now it's looking more like X vs. MOTU / RME, maybe Quantum if you're adaptable. Focusrite has fallen behind for lack of new products. Apollo has improved.
If you're already on a stereo DAC, using your own preamps, and mostly ITB (for this example,) all you're really changing are the ADC line inputs, in terms of "sound quality." To me, this is hair splitting stuff and a lot of that difference simply disappears once you start compensating with your regular mix moves.
Unless you're chasing headphone mixes like you said. Or some kind of workflow enhancement I haven't thought of. A workaround for reverb would be a USB3 or Thunderbolt UAD Satellite in "Live Track" mode, with DAW monitoring. You would have just a few ms of MOTU round trip delay, which for a reverb, wouldn't matter, would just sound like pre-delay. Or you could do the same thing with an exceptional native reverb like IK Sunset Sound (studio, chamber, plate, spring, room, iso booth.) If reverb is the big thing, I think these would work.
Build quality does always go to Apollo, I wish more interfaces were built like that. I would say Focusrite Clarett is another one with an inspiring build quality. I hardly ever touch my interfaces though so even a high-middle build is enough for me.
Just a few more thoughts on the matter from my own interface journey, for whatever they're worth. Sitting here with my new MOTU desktop interfaces and I'm so chuffed with them, they fly right over the SSL, Audient, Apollo Twin, small Focusrites, etc, for my taste.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 4, 2021 6:39:11 GMT -6
Did you grab the one on reverb the other day for 750? I should have jumped quicker, but missed my chance. I just looked it up, one sold two days ago for 850. “Priced to sell because it’s a little dirty.” That might be the laziest thing I’ve heard of in a while. I think him and I are both running 24ai/24ao rigs. Was wondering if he snagged the 16a and was looking for a second to move up to 32 channels. I've been thinking about making the move for months, but it's definitely a want, not a need for me. 32 ins would be a nice improvement and could mitigate some patching.
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 4, 2021 6:41:37 GMT -6
I just looked it up, one sold two days ago for 850. “Priced to sell because it’s a little dirty.” That might be the laziest thing I’ve heard of in a while. I think him and I are both running 24ai/24ao rigs. Was wondering if he snagged the 16a and was looking for a second to move up to 32 channels. I've been thinking about making the move for months, but it's definitely a want, not a need for me. 32 ins would be a nice improvement and could mitigate some patching. For 850, that’d be a good move. Quality patchbays are near that anyway.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 4, 2021 6:47:59 GMT -6
I think him and I are both running 24ai/24ao rigs. Was wondering if he snagged the 16a and was looking for a second to move up to 32 channels. I've been thinking about making the move for months, but it's definitely a want, not a need for me. 32 ins would be a nice improvement and could mitigate some patching. For 850, that’d be a good move. Quality patchbays are near that anyway. I'm not a quality guy. I use these. www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SPatchPlus--samson-s-patch-plus-48-point-balanced-patchbay
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 4, 2021 7:03:01 GMT -6
Cheap skate.
I had those. I really liked how the normalling switches were on the front plate. I also liked how I could easily make my own patch cables. Oh, and I liked how I could plug any I/O on the back to anywhere I want, and not be tied to Dsub banks. It made organizing my patchbay layout easy. I could group all of my preamps together, even though they weren't in the same rack.
I did have occasional issues. I would sometimes get ghost signals in adjacent channels. Or sometimes no signal at all until I reseated the cable. Doesn't sound so bad typing it out, but I remember the troubleshooting was a nightmare, because it never crossed my mind that the issue would be the patchbay. Or maybe it was a bad cable? I dunno.
I swapped them out for redco TT bays. But if I had to do it again, I might have kept the Samsons. Dsubs are a pain.
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Post by gwlee7 on Jun 4, 2021 7:20:24 GMT -6
If I had to do it all over again, I would not have started out being tied to Apollo/UAD. I have ditched the Twin for an 828es and am very happy. With the Twin I quickly found myself out of DSP so I bought an octo satellite to help it out. I have so many plugs that I NEVER use and I am stuck with them although the ones I do use I really like. Guitar has the right idea, get another satellite and then use a different interface. ETA: I am just a hack so that needs to be taken into consideration.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2021 8:48:49 GMT -6
If I had to do it all over again, I would not have started out being tied to Apollo/UAD. I have ditched the Twin for an 828es and am very happy. With the Twin I quickly found myself out of DSP so I bought an octo satellite to help it out. I have so many plugs that I NEVER use and I am stuck with them although the ones I do use I really like. Guitar has the right idea, get another satellite and then use a different interface.
ETA: I am just a hack so that needs to be taken into consideration. Why would someone do that? The only major benefit once you've bought into the UA plugin regime is using Luna like an extremely low latency Pro Tools HD rig. If you buy a satellite plus another interface it'll cost you as much if not more than the Apollo and again you'd loose one of THE major advantages. IMO either invest in UA or just dump the platform entirely and move on.. After all a few native plugs are far cheaper than an Octo.. For me Pro Tools HDX low latency DSP system was hard to beat (rock solid, silly low latency etc.), it just became very cost inhibitive so if there's another option then I'll at least try it. There's more to it than just plugins. Stability, reliability, latency, ease of use, interface quality etc. If I'm missing something here please let me know.. Although, Drew @ UA , In the Luna documentation it mentions input automatic delay compensation but only refers to UA plugins, doesn't it also compensate for native? Edit: Shortening to avoid double post: ragan Just like any plugin system you wait for deals, not only did I get 60% off but I had two coupons and a voucher which took another $150.00 off the total price, I didn't pay several hundred for a couple I paid a bit more than several hundred for about 12 plugs. It wasn't cheap mind due but definitely no worse than PA's offers (when I compared at least), the hardware would have cost $40K more (I'd just get a console at that point). Also I don't tend to do the clone roulette nowaday's besides CAPI and Stam, if possible I'd go for the actual Neve / UA / Manley HW products. The dongle thing isn't great, although that subject matter has been discussed to the ground. It's not like you can't use both native and UA plugs though..
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Post by Guitar on Jun 4, 2021 9:26:49 GMT -6
The things you need low latency most for though, instruments, guitar amps, are not where UAD plugins excel, IMO. That's why I think a fast native system, or hardware instruments/hardware modelers, are just as good. UA has some catching up to do in this area. It's hard for them, because it's one brand competing with dozens, hundreds?, of top notch native plugin instrument brands.
I don't mean to be antagonistic, this is my real world experience going from Apollos to a fast native system with so many other plugins. Just making the counter point, that's all. I've spent thousands on UAD and thousands on native interfaces / plugs.
Great UAD ones to me are Buxom Betty for guitar, and all the brainworx Ampeg amps, which can be easily had from Plugin Alliance these days. The seemingly too expensive UAD Tube Screamer, RAT, and Big Muff are also top notch, if you can find a sale for them.
For keyboard instruments, drum instruments, for the most part you're not relying on UAD DSP anyway, so the Apollo becomes a bit redundant there, vs other interfaces.
Fancy monitor mixes have never been my thing so I can't speak to that. Could be important for some.
For mixdown, the whole thing is irrelevant. Crank that driver buffer, turn off the Unisons, fill up that DSP, bounce, print.
I'd be excited too if I got a brand new Apollo and a bunch of plugins so I say enjoy.
There's nothing stopping you using Apollo as a native interface either, so it cuts both ways. Apollo IS a fast native system, when you ignore the DSP. So that's a strong selling point on its own, one that gets ignored a bit with the UAD DSP talk. One that I need to remember more, too.
I'm just saying "I" don't need UAD for the purpose of low latency plugin use, other people that have sold their Apollos have said similar. It's their biggest selling point, and one that's lost on me. When I owned Apollos for a few years, just speaking for myself, the low latency/unison DSP functions didn't really get used that much. If you already know you won't use these much, as a potential buyer, the question is sort of what are you buying for?
At the end of the day there's no wrong answer, MOTU and Apollo systems will both satisfy and do most of the same things. Apollo and MOTU both have "Extra" just depends on which extra you are looking for. But it's fun to discuss, haha! Reminds me of sports. There really are no wrongs in these discussions, everyone is right, in matters of taste.
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Post by ragan on Jun 4, 2021 10:08:15 GMT -6
I think if you're already invested in UAD, there are plenty of things in the 'pro' column. If you're looking at it from the outside, there are plenty of things in the 'con' column.
I extricated myself from UAD land a few years ago and have zero interest in buying into their DSP and plugins again. Just not where I'd spend hundreds/thousands. But if I were looking for a totally contained, ITB rig, I'd look at the Apollo platform again. If you dig the Unison stuff, it's a really cool option. It (the Unison stuff) is cool and fun, but it never sold my ears. The rest of the DSP is great, but it's no longer 'greater' than native options. So from the outside, it's just a very expensive sidestep (getting back into UAD DSP).
I do want more I/O, desperately. But with UAD, you gotta pay for the software bells and whistles. It would be money wasted for me I think.
That said, I have fond memories of my Apollos and I'm a sentimental dude so I'll always have a bit of a soft spot for them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2021 10:28:20 GMT -6
The things you need low latency most for though, instruments, guitar amps, are not where UAD plugins excel, IMO. That's why I think a fast native system, or hardware instruments/hardware modelers, are just as good. UA has some catching up to do in this area. It's hard for them, because it's one brand competing with dozens, hundreds?, of top notch native plugin instrument brands. I don't mean to be antagonistic, this is my real world experience going from Apollos to a fast native system with so many other plugins. Just making the counter point, that's all. I've spent thousands on UAD and thousands on native interfaces / plugs. I've done the native thing too (hence the 1248), it's not antagonistic just a conversation.. It's all good .. I mean Luna promises a 2ms RT whilst using plugins which is mighty impressive, I won't deny it outside of Luna I've no idea what the benefits of DSP are (I just like the plugins). If nothing else UA plugins induce MORE latency then their native counterparts which can cause some odd issues. And I quote: "Seamlessly integrating with your Apollo interface, LUNA Recording System lets you capture audio through DSP-powered UAD plug-ins and native LUNA Instruments with no discernible latency." "The key to this workflow is LUNA's Accelerated Realtime Monitoring,™ which uses Apollo’s onboard DSP to deliver deterministic, sub-2ms recording latency — from input to output." That's a bit that odd? That's faster than no plug regular tracking latency when using any other DAW? Anywho.. I have in the past done overdubs with Amplitube etc. and I do use VST's on occasion. TBH most USB interfaces I've had were pretty poor with no other plugs attached. I do understand all these fancy USB-C interfaces and TB version 8321 devices have enough bandwidth to DL an alien database but it doesn't always work out that way. It certainly didn't with my 1248 that's for sure.. As much as my ear can adapt to latency it sucks and I have had issues with a certain DAW on many an occasion.. *Cough Pro Tools Native. There are some truly LL interfaces out there but besides the Slate thingy most seem relatively prosumer. End of the day, I don't want to prat around with this stuff anymore.. Just record.. Although..... GRRR.. I don't have enough DSP to cover my new plugs on a full mix *Kicks a bucket, stamps around.. This was why I left the UA eco-system years back. Now where's my wallet, oh that's right it fled at the sight of UA.
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Post by Drew @ UA on Jun 4, 2021 11:20:17 GMT -6
If I had to do it all over again, I would not have started out being tied to Apollo/UAD. I have ditched the Twin for an 828es and am very happy. With the Twin I quickly found myself out of DSP so I bought an octo satellite to help it out. I have so many plugs that I NEVER use and I am stuck with them although the ones I do use I really like. Guitar has the right idea, get another satellite and then use a different interface.
ETA: I am just a hack so that needs to be taken into consideration. Why would someone do that? The only major benefit once you've bought into the UA plugin regime is using Luna like an extremely low latency Pro Tools HD rig. If you buy a satellite plus another interface it'll cost you as much if not more than the Apollo and again you'd loose one of THE major advantages. IMO either invest in UA or just dump the platform entirely and move on.. After all a few native plugs are far cheaper than an Octo.. For me Pro Tools HDX low latency DSP system was hard to beat (rock solid, silly low latency etc.), it just became very cost inhibitive so if there's another option then I'll at least try it. There's more to it than just plugins. Stability, reliability, latency, ease of use, interface quality etc. If I'm missing something here please let me know.. Although, Drew @ UA , In the Luna documentation it mentions input automatic delay compensation but only refers to UA plugins, doesn't it also compensate for native? Edit: Shortening to avoid double post: ragan Just like any plugin system you wait for deals, not only did I get 60% off but I had two coupons and a voucher which took another $150.00 off the total price, I didn't pay several hundred for a couple I paid a bit more than several hundred for about 12 plugs. It wasn't cheap mind due but definitely no worse than PA's offers (when I compared at least), the hardware would have cost $40K more (I'd just get a console at that point). Also I don't tend to do the clone roulette nowaday's besides CAPI and Stam, if possible I'd go for the actual Neve / UA / Manley HW products. The dongle thing isn't great, although that subject matter has been discussed to the ground. It's not like you can't use both native and UA plugs though.. LUNA only allows UAD DSP plugs on live inputs, so that's all that's needed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2021 12:02:15 GMT -6
I think if you're already invested in UAD, there are plenty of things in the 'pro' column. If you're looking at it from the outside, there are plenty of things in the 'con' column. Couldn't respectfully disagree more, there's a lot in the con's column irrelevant of investment (especially where I live). All I'm saying is the Apollo ain't a bad interface and I like where they're going with Luna but: - I bought the X6 interface at release for $2,620.00, it now costs $3,212.00. - Now add a $1000.00 in plugins for the DSP additional cost to be worth it. - Now add an Octo Quad so you can run said plugins on a full mix at $1500.00. - If you decide to go for a Twin (the cheaper option) with a duo you couldn't even run three instances of Capital Chambers, the Quad doesn't help much either on a full mix. - Luna ain't finished and at the first sign of restrictive features based upon their own plugins it's not worth the code used to make it (not saying there is but DON'T DO IT). That's a bad UA (in case it ever happens) .. - Latency on the Apollo is mediocre in most DAW's, especially for a TB3 interface. - It doesn't sound much better than the 1248 which costs $1750.00. - If you can afford the Apollo platform then you can afford better pre-amps than Unison and the Apollo pre's (so, don't get it?) - Forget doing overdubs with UA plugins in any DAW but Luna or be prepared to do some retro freezing at least. - The Ampex plugin (amongst others) caused havoc with Pro Tools ADC when I used it. Where's the pro's? I literally chose the Apollo because it's stable, I had some plugs already and I don't like the sound of RME. If I was getting into this again like others said, not sure I would bother. Back in the days of turbo buttons and intel inside stickers w/ MME there was a solid case for Sharc processors, SSE / Cortex etc. did away with that (for the most part). DSP is rather in depth so I'll skip that hotspot.. The plugs are good, won't deny it. But after the investment it's a bit like being half way through a bottle of vodka, one more can't hurt can it? That said once you've bankrupt yourself and surrendered to UA it's a good platform.
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Post by ragan on Jun 4, 2021 12:10:28 GMT -6
I think if you're already invested in UAD, there are plenty of things in the 'pro' column. If you're looking at it from the outside, there are plenty of things in the 'con' column. Couldn't respectfully disagree more, there's a lot in con's column irrelevant of investment (especially where I live). All I'm saying is the Apollo ain't a bad interface and I like where they're going with Luna but: - I bought the X6 interface at release for $2,620.00, it now costs $3,212.00. - Now add a $1000.00 in plugins for the DSP additional cost to be worth it. - Now add an Octo Quad so you can run said plugins on a full mix at $1500.00. - If you decide to go for a Twin (the cheaper option) with a duo you couldn't even run three instances of Capital Chambers, the Quad doesn't help much either on a full mix. - Luna ain't finished and at the first sign of restrictive features based upon their own plugins it's not worth the code used to make it (not saying there is but DON'T DO IT). That's a bad UA (in case it ever happens) .. - Latency on the Apollo is mediocre in most DAW's, especially for a TB3 interface. - It doesn't sound much better than the 1248 which costs $1750.00. - If you can afford the Apollo platform then you can afford better pre-amps than Unison and the Apollo pre's (so, don't get it?) - Forget doing overdubs with UA plugins in any DAW but Luna or be prepared to do some retro freezing at least. - The Ampex plugin (amongst others) caused havoc with Pro Tools ADC when I used it. Where's the pro's? I literally chose the Apollo because it's stable, I had some plugs already and I don't like the sound of RME. If I was getting into this again like others said, not sure I would bother. Back in the days of turbo buttons and intel inside stickers w/ MME there was a solid case for Sharc processors, SSE / Cortex etc. did away with that (for the most part). DSP is rather in depth so I'll skip that hotspot.. The plugs are good, won't deny it. But after the investment it's a bit like being half way through a bottle of vodka, one more can't hurt can it? That said once you've bankrupt yourself and surrendered to UA it's a good platform. Heheh. Good points. I think the main benefit, if you go all in with UAD, is that you can have an integrated, low-latency situation akin to PT HDX. That said, there's a huge caveat, which is that LUNA has a long way to go before it's actually competing with PT. But, it's also cheaper than HDX. At least to get into it. If you want to run more than a handful of instances of the newer, DSP hog plugs, though, you'll be shelling out for Octos and then that price advantage starts to disappear quickly. Like I said, I'm not jumping back into UAD any time soon. But I can see the appeal for some (mostly for people who've already spent a boatload on UAD stuff and are already halfway through that bottle...) Using a separate, low latency monitoring app is kind of a pain in the ass. So much smoother to have it integrated into your DAW. But it's still kind of a trivial nuisance and not one that'll make me switch everything up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2021 12:11:50 GMT -6
LUNA only allows UAD DSP plugs on live inputs, so that's all that's needed. Please correct me if I'm being silly here but you can't record an armed track with something like Kontakt and NI effects enabled? Which is one of the words biggest synth and instrument libraries? Then keep it sample aligned? What about superior Drummer (which is again ridiculously popular)? Audio effect modulators for dubstep etc. Surely that can't be right?
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Post by Drew @ UA on Jun 4, 2021 12:18:58 GMT -6
LUNA only allows UAD DSP plugs on live inputs, so that's all that's needed. Please correct me if I'm being silly here but you can't record an armed track with something like Kontakt and NI effects enabled? Which is one of the words biggest synth and instrument libraries? Then keep it sample aligned? What about superior Drummer (which is again ridiculously popular)? Audio effect modulators for dubstep etc. Surely that can't be right? Sure, AU VIs. I was referring to live inputs from mics or DIs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2021 12:36:15 GMT -6
Please correct me if I'm being silly here but you can't record an armed track with something like Kontakt and NI effects enabled? Which is one of the words biggest synth and instrument libraries? Then keep it sample aligned? What about superior Drummer (which is again ridiculously popular)? Audio effect modulators for dubstep etc. Surely that can't be right? Sure, AU VIs. I was referring to live inputs from mics or DIs. Phew, had me there for a second . Yeah I was on about the DAW.. It does "sorta" mention it here but it took some finding. Appreciate you taking the time to answer. help.uaudio.com/hc/en-us/articles/360041441112-Recording-Audio"LUNA Tape emulation, and Audio Unit plug-ins, and monitor buses with UAD plug-ins and Neve Summing. All latencies are automatically delay-compensated by LUNA, and track counts are limited only by the capabilities of your computer." I think I seriously need to give Luna a go. Thanks again..
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Post by Drew @ UA on Jun 4, 2021 13:05:09 GMT -6
Sure, AU VIs. I was referring to live inputs from mics or DIs. Phew, had me there for a second . Yeah I was on about the DAW.. It does "sorta" mention it here but it took some finding. Appreciate you taking the time to answer. help.uaudio.com/hc/en-us/articles/360041441112-Recording-Audio"LUNA Tape emulation, and Audio Unit plug-ins, and monitor buses with UAD plug-ins and Neve Summing. All latencies are automatically delay-compensated by LUNA, and track counts are limited only by the capabilities of your computer." I think I seriously need to give Luna a go. Thanks again.. Let me know if I can answer any questions you might have.
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Post by gwlee7 on Jun 4, 2021 18:45:28 GMT -6
If I had to do it all over again, I would not have started out being tied to Apollo/UAD. I have ditched the Twin for an 828es and am very happy. With the Twin I quickly found myself out of DSP so I bought an octo satellite to help it out. I have so many plugs that I NEVER use and I am stuck with them although the ones I do use I really like. Guitar has the right idea, get another satellite and then use a different interface.
ETA: I am just a hack so that needs to be taken into consideration. Why would someone do that? Because I already have an assload of UA plugins, and due to apparent planned obsolescence (regardless who did it) new Apollos with more I/O than a twin are thunderbolt only and my computer doesn’t support it. And a twin USB doesn’t have enough outputs to meet my needs anymore. So you either buy satellites to run the plugs since the twin you bought doesn’t have enough power or as you said take a bath on a few grand and ditch it all. Regardless, you buy a new interface that supports USB.
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 4, 2021 20:19:42 GMT -6
I, also, have quite a few UAD plugins. I largely stopped buying awhile ago in protest of their resale policy. I guess I’m invested in UAD. I kind of feel obliged to go Apollo. I have an Octo satellite and use UAD during mixing. But I wouldn’t track through plugins. And I think that’s the whole point of an Apollo.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2021 20:42:30 GMT -6
Why would someone do that? Because I already have an assload of UA plugins, and due to apparent planned obsolescence (regardless who did it) new Apollos with more I/O than a twin are thunderbolt only and my computer doesn’t support it. And a twin USB doesn’t have enough outputs to meet my needs anymore. So you either buy satellites to run the plugs since the twin you bought doesn’t have enough power or as you said take a bath on a few grand and ditch it all. Regardless, you buy a new interface that supports USB. Makes sense and sorry I meant it in response to this thread whilst quoting you. Had a similar issue on Windows as the platform was a late adopter to TB and my MB needed an upgrade card to support it (which didn't work properly). Now there's TB4 on the horizon and whilst it may not impact specific things it also never seems to end. I'll join you in avoiding the constant upgrade cycle, keep my Apollo until it dies.. After all frittering is the antithesis of music creation. indiehouse, at its core the Apollo is just another interface. It contains DSP therefore reducing the amount of dongles required, tracking via plugs is just an option one can take or leave. I wouldn't use unison because I like a solid 1176 style comp in front of the inputs so I don't clip, that requires a pre behind it. That being said, I did buy the Ampeg SVT and via the 6176 DI section (HW) it might sound pretty cool.. Plus minimal latency, an IR plugin / cab loader for UA would be sweet although I won't wait as there are many decent native options.
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Post by gwlee7 on Jun 4, 2021 22:18:55 GMT -6
And my reply may sound a little harsh towards you and that was not my intention. I am frustrated that I was steered onto the UA path starting out in digital recording and it quickly proved to be a platform that is intentionally inflexible in terms of growing with it unless you have deep pockets.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 5, 2021 6:48:43 GMT -6
Interesting to note, there is only one Motu for sale on Reverb (828es/16a) and twenty used Apollo X’s. They also have more ROI
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 5, 2021 7:05:33 GMT -6
I just have come to accept that I love the convenience of the UA systems. And if you get into Luna, the workflow is even easier. Now - I just mix and record overdubs...so I don’t know what the experience is tracking 24 channels of something. But I could see how it would be killer. How cool would it be to be able to have a conservative ITV tracking template that has eq/1176 on snare, pultecs on OH, etc. Just utility things that you currently do after the fact or it could free up hardware and save time? I wouldn’t be scared to use any of the Apollo unison pres on a large majority of things. Now, vocals? I still prefer hardware...but by a hair.
I have an x6 and hardly ever run out of dsp when mixing 25-40 track sessions. If and when Luna gets import session data, I could pretty much go ahead and switch from Pro Tools. At this point it actually crashes less. Ok - still has a little ways to go tracking wise.
I’ve still never heard the x16 DA. I’ve thought about comparing with the Convert DA that I have and then just selling the x6 and Convert if it was close. Even considered Pro Tools carbon - but I really like UAD and Luna and would have to change my whole mixing approach.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 5, 2021 7:29:11 GMT -6
X16 has no unison, headphones etc., , would need to factor that in or have a twin?
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