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Post by Guitar on Oct 2, 2020 13:25:27 GMT -6
I agree with Ward I did a dynamic mic shootout and the MD441 was at the very top for acoustic guitar, for me. 421 was pretty good too. RE20 can also work. Didn't really like the Shures for this purpose.
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Post by Ward on Oct 2, 2020 13:33:19 GMT -6
If you're really determined to use a dynamic in place of a KM84, then you really should consider a 441. True, it's super cardioid so your placement matters more, but it is the only dynamic that truly rivals the gorgeous capture of the KM84, on-axis. Dynamic? It's a dyna-MIC What pre do you use it with? I always find it a bit dark compared to Beyers on acoustic. Dark? Well, this is a first for me. With the presence switch and the 5 position bass roll-off, you can certainly un-darken it. I use it with a Focusrite 428 Mark 1, typically Although I've also used it through my Grace |
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Post by bricejchandler on Oct 2, 2020 13:45:11 GMT -6
What pre do you use it with? I always find it a bit dark compared to Beyers on acoustic. Dark? Well, this is a first for me. With the presence switch and the 5 position bass roll-off, you can certainly un-darken it. I use it with a Focusrite 428 Mark 1, typically Although I've also used it through my Grace I wonder if the ones I've used were shot. They have some at a studio I track at and they use them on toms/snares and kicks, I wonder if they're just old and tired but yeah I always find them super dark. |
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Post by mdmitch2 on Oct 2, 2020 17:14:04 GMT -6
I shot out about 15 sdcs with my buddy at Soundpure.... Josephson c617 killed everything on fingerpicked stuff. Otherwise cmc6 , DPA 4011, or oktava. Everything else was meh.
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Post by Ward on Oct 3, 2020 9:26:46 GMT -6
I shot out about 15 sdcs with my buddy at Soundpure.... Josephson c617 killed everything on fingerpicked stuff. Otherwise cmc6 , DPA 4011, or oktava. Everything else was meh. Just wait until you try the forthcoming Heiserman Type-19!! (LOL) |
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Post by EmRR on Oct 3, 2020 10:58:28 GMT -6
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Post by timcampbell on Oct 3, 2020 11:15:22 GMT -6
Well I'd say a Km56 kills just about anything on an acoustic. An Ela M251, M269, Sennheiser mkh series and even a U87 are really good
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Post by Ward on Oct 3, 2020 20:11:37 GMT -6
Well I'd say a Km56 kills just about anything on an acoustic. An Ela M251, M269, Sennheiser mkh series and even a U87 are really good The 56? Like the 54, magical in a sparse mix or solo listening but in context of a dense mix? Still can't top the 84. And honestly, I'll take an 84 over anything in any application. Unless it's a 414 modded with a wonderful TC12 capsule!!  |
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Post by mike on Oct 3, 2020 20:16:56 GMT -6
Well I'd say a Km56 kills just about anything on an acoustic. An Ela M251, M269, Sennheiser mkh series and even a U87 are really good
Thinking of those nickel capsule Km56, 54, 88's, I'd be interested in hearing feedback on the nickel capsule Microtech Gefell M295 from anyone who's tried one ?
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Post by EmRR on Oct 3, 2020 21:26:55 GMT -6
Well I'd say a Km56 kills just about anything on an acoustic. An Ela M251, M269, Sennheiser mkh series and even a U87 are really good
Thinking of those nickel capsule Km56, 54, 88's, I'd be interested in hearing feedback on the nickel capsule Microtech Gefell M295 from anyone who's tried one ?
Had a pair of M295's on a grand piano in a rock context, sounded good. Both bright and smooth. |
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Post by rowmat on Oct 3, 2020 22:40:10 GMT -6
Well I'd say a Km56 kills just about anything on an acoustic. An Ela M251, M269, Sennheiser mkh series and even a U87 are really good The 56? Like the 54, magical in a sparse mix or solo listening but in context of a dense mix? Still can't top the 84. And honestly, I'll take an 84 over anything in any application. Unless it's a 414 modded with a wonderful TC12 capsule!! I preferred my KM84's over my KM54 for acoustic guitars about 90% of the time. However the KM54 was hard to beat on mandolin and often found itself in front of a banjo. |
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 4, 2020 0:47:03 GMT -6
But I DO have a KM84 - two of 'em now!
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Post by timcampbell on Oct 4, 2020 7:03:52 GMT -6
Then I would have to ask what preamp you paired the KM56 with. In my own use through a Neve or a Calrec preamp the 56 would win, through our SSL probably the 84. I would imagine through an API or Focuseite the 84's linearity would win.
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Post by gwlee7 on Oct 4, 2020 8:01:18 GMT -6
Well I'd say a Km56 kills just about anything on an acoustic. An Ela M251, M269, Sennheiser mkh series and even a U87 are really good
Thinking of those nickel capsule Km56, 54, 88's, I'd be interested in hearing feedback on the nickel capsule Microtech Gefell M295 from anyone who's tried one ?
I used an M295 on my 1960 Hummingbird reissue for this song that I am working on. drumsound will recognize the part.  Here is the raw track into a Daking mic pre with a bit of high pass as the only processing drive.google.com/file/d/1YTCh0eFKFok_D7yDXLA27MsILLQxaXgJ/view?usp=drivesdk |
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Post by Ward on Oct 4, 2020 9:01:33 GMT -6
Then I would have to ask what preamp you paired the KM56 with. In my own use through a Neve or a Calrec preamp the 56 would win, through our SSL probably the 84. I would imagine through an API or Focuseite the 84's linearity would win. Fair point. I waffle back and forth between Neves and Focusrite reds on acoustics. |
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Post by drumsound on Oct 4, 2020 13:31:25 GMT -6
Thinking of those nickel capsule Km56, 54, 88's, I'd be interested in hearing feedback on the nickel capsule Microtech Gefell M295 from anyone who's tried one ?
I used an M295 on my 1960 Hummingbird reissue for this song that I am working on. drumsound will recognize the part. Here is the raw track into a Daking mic pre with a bit of high pass as the only processing drive.google.com/file/d/1YTCh0eFKFok_D7yDXLA27MsILLQxaXgJ/view?usp=drivesdkI've actually been meaning to ask about your acoustic parts, because they sound really good, in the studio, on my in ears and even in the car. I need to get into the Gefell world some day. Its kind of funny that you're using a Hummingbird, because it seems like a ALWAYS like Gibson acoustics and wonder why they don't get more love. |
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Post by gwlee7 on Oct 4, 2020 16:27:48 GMT -6
I've actually been meaning to ask about your acoustic parts, because they sound really good, in the studio, on my in ears and even in the car. I need to get into the Gefell world some day. Its kind of funny that you're using a Hummingbird, because it seems like a ALWAYS like Gibson acoustics and wonder why they don't get more love. It’s a great strummer. It’s that 70s Rolling Stones sound for sure. |
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Post by mike on Oct 4, 2020 19:58:01 GMT -6
Thinking of those nickel capsule Km56, 54, 88's, I'd be interested in hearing feedback on the nickel capsule Microtech Gefell M295 from anyone who's tried one ?
I used an M295 on my 1960 Hummingbird reissue for this song that I am working on. drumsound will recognize the part. Here is the raw track into a Daking mic pre with a bit of high pass as the only processing drive.google.com/file/d/1YTCh0eFKFok_D7yDXLA27MsILLQxaXgJ/view?usp=drivesdk
Thanks for sharing that gwlee7, I appreciate i!
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Post by Ward on Oct 5, 2020 6:29:45 GMT -6
I've actually been meaning to ask about your acoustic parts, because they sound really good, in the studio, on my in ears and even in the car. I need to get into the Gefell world some day. Its kind of funny that you're using a Hummingbird, because it seems like a ALWAYS like Gibson acoustics and wonder why they don't get more love. It’s a great strummer. It’s that 70s Rolling Stones sound for sure. Great chord voicings in the part! I might be the odd man out, but I was never satisfied with a hummingbird. They always sound a little choked to me...finish? I used one for an album once and found string choices made a difference. |
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Post by gwlee7 on Oct 5, 2020 7:23:50 GMT -6
It’s a great strummer. It’s that 70s Rolling Stones sound for sure. Great chord voicings in the part! I might be the odd man out, but I was never satisfied with a hummingbird. They always sound a little choked to me...finish? I used one for an album once and found string choices made a difference. I have Monels (Martin Retros) on this one |
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Post by tyford on Oct 31, 2020 13:36:21 GMT -6
I'm curious what answers might rise to the top for the question; What would your mic choice(s) be for acoustic guitar, if you can't use a KM84 ?
Schoeps CMC641. Regards, Ty Ford |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 31, 2020 14:02:17 GMT -6
Here in the cheap seats, EV 635a (good enough for Alabama Shakes) and (eventually)... Beyer M201 TG. Neumann? Schoeps? Please pass the Grey Poupon! Chris P.S. Great thread! |
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Post by tyford on Oct 31, 2020 16:37:43 GMT -6
I'm curious what answers might rise to the top for the question; What would your mic choice(s) be for acoustic guitar, if you can't use a KM84 ?
One Schoeps cmc641. One MArtin D28S. regards, Ty Ford |
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Post by EmRR on Oct 31, 2020 21:57:41 GMT -6
Monday it’s a female singer guitarist I’ve worked with before, and the song probably works best with both performed live. Samar MF-65 won the vocal shootout before, so putting a pair in the Blumlein mount and using that for max vcl/gtr separation. Setting a native B format array of MKH20/30/30 back a bit for ambient capture, turned 90 degrees so ambisonic panning is up/down for vcl versus gtr steering, so WXZ leaving out Y. Might crash and burn, we’ll see!
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Post by roundbadge on Nov 2, 2020 4:31:56 GMT -6
I sold my pair of mint 56’s last year but now have 2 84’s which generally get more use on more sources.
Also like many here love the Soyuz 0-13.
For something different I recently became a fan of beyer m160’s on acoustics
through a nice tube pre and eq.
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