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Post by Chad on Jul 17, 2020 7:34:17 GMT -6
Thanks for the audio clips John. Waiting for two of these myself. Now to find out which 500 chassis to go for. Hi, skav, My advice would be original API or Heritage Audio or Vintage King.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 17, 2020 8:27:32 GMT -6
Yeah - I can sell any of those.
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Post by matt@IAA on Jul 17, 2020 8:37:46 GMT -6
Thanks for the audio clips John. Waiting for two of these myself. Now to find out which 500 chassis to go for. I'd recommend the CAPI 11 slot - it's a great deal, and a pretty easy build.
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Post by Quint on Jul 18, 2020 17:15:51 GMT -6
So does the 1073-500 thing take line level or not?
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Post by brenta on Jul 18, 2020 18:37:50 GMT -6
So does the 1073-500 thing take line level or not? Going by the picture of the unit I don't see an option to select line input. Are you looking to use it as saturator for color? You could just pad the signal with another piece of gear to run line level signals into it. I've done that in the past with the Stam 1073 MK1 I've got.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 18, 2020 18:57:08 GMT -6
So does the 1073-500 thing take line level or not? No
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 18, 2020 18:57:52 GMT -6
Yeah. You could use a in-line attenuator.
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Post by Chad on Jul 18, 2020 19:54:47 GMT -6
Yeah. You could use a in-line attenuator. Great point, John. Even when there’s a built-in attenuater/fader, my understanding is that it always follows the output transformer. So, internal atten vs external atten = same results. Would you agree with that statement?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 18, 2020 20:01:38 GMT -6
Yeah. You could use a in-line attenuator. Great point, John. Even when there’s a built-in attenuater/fader, my understanding is that it always follows the output transformer. So, internal atten vs external atten = same results. Would you agree with that statement? Honestly - I’m not particularly technical lol. But I did start a pro audio forum at a Holiday Inn Express 7 years ago next week.
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Post by matt@IAA on Jul 18, 2020 20:22:05 GMT -6
Yeah. You could use a in-line attenuator. Great point, John. Even when there’s a built-in attenuater/fader, my understanding is that it always follows the output transformer. So, internal atten vs external atten = same results. Would you agree with that statement? Not in this case. The 1073 has three gain blocks. The first one is only used by the mic pre, and even then only at the highest gain settings. At lower gain, the second and third amps are used. The 1073 has a separate line input transformer, which feeds into the second line amp. The EQ is between the second and the third amps - the third amp being the one with the large output / driver transistor and the output transformer. Most of the 1073 clones use a fader after the EQ, before the output line amp. Many other designs (not 1073s, I mean) use an interstage fader vs a balanced attenuator after the line amp. And there's a big difference between bringing a line level signal into a mic amp and attenuating the output vs attenuating the same signal down before the amplifier. Let's say for grins the mic pre has 40 dB of gain, and so you feed it a -36 dBu signal from a mic to get a +4 dBu nominal line level out. Sending a +4 dBu line level signal to it will obliterate it - it'll try to amplify it up to a +44 dBu output signal (347 volts peak to peak, i.e., not happening) while putting a -36 dB pad on front will make everything more or less hunky dory.
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Post by Quint on Jul 18, 2020 20:43:37 GMT -6
So does the 1073-500 thing take line level or not? No Ok. Good to know. I'll probably pass on these then. The fact that they were actually in stock is what enticed me in the first place.
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Post by drbill on Jul 18, 2020 21:19:41 GMT -6
Great point, John. Even when there’s a built-in attenuater/fader, my understanding is that it always follows the output transformer. So, internal atten vs external atten = same results. Would you agree with that statement? while putting a -36 dB pad on front will make everything more or less hunky dory. yes....more of less. As we both know, there is an art to building a great sounding pad. <thumbsup>
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 18, 2020 21:23:07 GMT -6
Well, I guess none of these without the eq sections are technically a 1073...but what ya gonna do?
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Post by Chad on Jul 19, 2020 6:34:30 GMT -6
Great point, John. Even when there’s a built-in attenuater/fader, my understanding is that it always follows the output transformer. So, internal atten vs external atten = same results. Would you agree with that statement? Honestly - I’m not particularly technical lol. But I did start a pro audio forum at a Holiday Inn Express 7 years ago next week. Congrats on the anniversary of RGO, John!
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Post by brenta on Jul 19, 2020 11:07:29 GMT -6
I’ve got one with Carnhills on the way. I’m going to compare it to the BAE I have here and see if it can replace it. The Heritage Elite and Warm both have Carnhills but didn’t sound as good as the BAE to me. I’ve been super happy with the Stam 1073 MK1 with Sowters I have.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 19, 2020 11:19:22 GMT -6
I’ve got one with Carnhills on the way. I’m going to compare it to the BAE I have here and see if it can replace it. The Heritage Elite and Warm both have Carnhills but didn’t sound as good as the BAE to me. I’ve been super happy with the Stam 1073 MK1 with Sowters I have. Let us know. I don’t think I’ve heard one with the Carnhills.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 23, 2020 15:49:18 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 23, 2020 15:53:32 GMT -6
Honestly, I never crank the input up that high, but I think I'm going to start. Bottom end got better on both.
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Post by matt@IAA on Jul 23, 2020 16:47:14 GMT -6
At 55 dB you should get the business.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 23, 2020 21:41:44 GMT -6
I think the 500 sounds nice. That 1073EQ though... damn that sounds good.
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Post by phantom on Jul 24, 2020 5:35:42 GMT -6
I think the 500 sounds nice. That 1073EQ though... damn that sounds good. Yep, préfèred the 73EQ on this example as well.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 24, 2020 6:03:56 GMT -6
I think the 500 sounds nice. That 1073EQ though... damn that sounds good. Yep, préfèred the 73EQ on this example as well. That seems to be the trend with 1073s in 500 series format though. I'd love to hear it next to BAE or AMS-Neve, more out of curiosity than anything. It really does sound nice and still has vibe.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 24, 2020 8:50:02 GMT -6
I honestly didn’t hear a big difference. I’ve often thought 19” units sound better, but I didn’t really hear it here. There are sooo many variables though - I tried to stay the same distance from the mic, but that and the performance is different on each... I’be been shocked at how many times I think I hear a difference in something and then when I put it in ABX, I’m basically guessing.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 24, 2020 8:59:01 GMT -6
Agreed, it's totally subtle.
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Post by phantom on Jul 24, 2020 10:12:44 GMT -6
It's subtle, but I had the same impression when comparing the 73mpa with the 73eq
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