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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 31, 2014 19:29:10 GMT -6
Or you don't have to deal with that.
You know, why do I have to explain all this? Do we need a page full of rules? Is that what you want? I'm asking people to use common sense and police themselves. The language (although what he said was far worse than me saying, "don't be an asshole") had nothing to do with my problem with him. It's the fact that we've now gone 4 pages worth of whining and crying over this crap. I don't want to kick anyone off. But SOMEONE has to make decisions. All of this bullshit about "you said asshole first" blah blah. Good grief, I was trying to be funny while making a point. If you can't use common sense after that, then I can't help you.
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Post by drbill on Mar 31, 2014 19:29:48 GMT -6
Some people call that a dictatorship.  (Please note : THREE smilies with big mouths.....) |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 31, 2014 19:38:26 GMT -6
Then yes, it's a dictatorship. When you send me half of the bills every month, I will include you in the decision making.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 31, 2014 19:40:42 GMT -6
Do you make the rules up with Jules?
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Mar 31, 2014 19:56:58 GMT -6
I had every intention not to get involved in this...and really I'm not going to buy I want to say this about rule making. When people act right and treat each other with respect, rules aren't needed. Do you know how to train a child into not throwing tantrums? Ignore him. Not even a glance. The tantrum is all about "look at me, I demand it". Adults are not much different sometimes. It's impossible for someone to argue if they have no one to argue with. BTW, I think converters matter a lot  |
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Post by RicFoxx on Mar 31, 2014 20:11:38 GMT -6
Who knew converters were so controversial??? Not me lol
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Post by matt on Mar 31, 2014 20:18:34 GMT -6
Sadly, we live in a world that requires policing, even on RGO. I value this place, and don't want it to degenerate into a smaller version of GS. I have voiced my view on Internet aggression, call it Trolling, or what have you, and recognize that sometimes enforcement is a necessary evil. So be it:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 12:57:41 GMT -6
Yikes,
Well the language is definitely uncalled for.
I agree with guys like Jim Williams and Ethan Winer having a business to push but I also think the converter hype is pure GS stench, hopefully there's someone here with the resources to do some shootouts and everyone participates. This was the main thing that annoyed about GS was the amount of ludicrous claims that went very silent the minutes files were posted. You can count on my participation to back up whatever claims I make. I will also do what I can regarding contributing to some of these shootouts.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 1, 2014 13:25:02 GMT -6
God, I hope with all the hope I can muster that a $20 Soundblaster sounds as good as a Symphony. I would save a ton of money.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Apr 1, 2014 19:19:08 GMT -6
I did a shoot out here awhile back using a three way split cable out of the same pre amp into three different converters. So the take was identicle. The difference could easily be heard by all (or at least no one said they sounded the same). Bout as scientific as I need to get satisfied with converter differences. It's there, even if sometimes slight.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 1, 2014 19:35:36 GMT -6
I did a shoot out here awhile back using a three way split cable out of the same pre amp into three different converters. So the take was identicle. The difference could easily be heard by all (or at least no one said they sounded the same). Bout as scientific as I need to get satisfied with converter differences. It's there, even if sometimes slight. BAM... cowboycoalminer, BUMP THAT POST! |
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Post by svart on Apr 1, 2014 20:08:01 GMT -6
The only converters I had an issue with were from an old Tascam MX2424. While record monitoring, things sounded fine as could be. When playing back, everything was muffled and sounded less hi-fi. Of course, I took it apart to find that the converter board was designed with some of the highest quality I've ever seen in a pro audio device. The best converter ICs (65$ each one..) the best caps (Elna Silmics, nichicon fine gold), the best layout (4 layer board with ground planes for good crosstalk), the best power filtering (more on the ADDA board than I've seen in whole devices elsewhere), etc.
I pulled some pins up and looped the digital stream out of the AD back into the DA and ran some audio through it. Sounded fine. Recorded the same audio and played it while listening to the audio through the looped channel. VERY different.
Obviously the software/firmware was fouling this up some how, but the conversion cards were of the highest quality. Still have to say that drivers can make just as much difference as the hardware.
Soundblaster drivers used to use the WDM windows subsystem, which is notoriously bad for audio as it's mostly designed around CPU frugality and universal application rather than pure audio. I think they use ASIO now, which is much better.
I did do a shootout between my Alphalink and my MIA soundcard when I was trying to decide if I should loop the mix out of the mixer into the MIA for mixdown, or if I should loop it back into the Alphalink and lose 2 channels of A/D.. The result was 99.8 nullification of a 10-50khz sine sweep. Good enough for me not to worry about a 75$ sound card handling audio from a 3K$ converter.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 1, 2014 21:08:02 GMT -6
I did a shoot out here awhile back using a three way split cable out of the same pre amp into three different converters. So the take was identicle. The difference could easily be heard by all (or at least no one said they sounded the same). Bout as scientific as I need to get satisfied with converter differences. It's there, even if sometimes slight. BAM... cowboycoalminer, BUMP THAT POST! i remember that post, and i remember all three sounding different, and i also remember the burl being a 1/2 db louder, so calibration and transformer ratio's can render a "scientific" test invalid, i also would have liked to hear multi tracks stacked.... ya see, thats why internet shoot outs are mehhh at best, the one absolute is, if cowboy heard the differences in his own environment, i believe him, NO ONE can tell him differently, nor should anyone try. |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Apr 2, 2014 10:06:16 GMT -6
Good point Tony. It matters to me because I hear it. But if it doesn't matter to someone else, who cared you know? Not worth arguing about to me.
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Post by lolo on Apr 6, 2014 8:44:15 GMT -6
Just read through this thread. Oh my oh my!!!!
Anyway, Converters do matter imo. Since using a Ross Martin ADC and my Dangerous music DAC i can clearly hear the difference in my mixes
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